Cleared2Land4 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3341 times:
what is the best airline to fly when flying LAX-PPT? I would be looking in first or business. Does AF's 744 on that route have the new first and business?
Vh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 18 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3334 times:
I believe the AF aricraft flying to PPT are with the new configeration. They are utilised due the highend client base heading from Europe via LAX to Bora Bora and the like.
Cleared2Land4 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3289 times:
Planemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3229 times:
Ok, so you have 3 main contenders ;
1.
Air New Zealand
Use 767-300ER aircraft on the route. Business Class has 50" seat pitch and a personal t.v with 9 channels of video entertainment. Seat has a recline of 60 degrees. You can earn FFP from other Star Alliance airlines. Picture of the seat below ;
Info on services in-flight visit ; http://www.airnz.co.nz/travelinfo/on...eplane/business/business_class.htm
2.
Air Tahiti Nui
Use A340-300 aircraft on the route. Business Class has 55" seat pitch and a personal t.v with 6 channels of video entertainment. Cabin crew ranked 'best cabin crew in pacific and 4th best worldwide' by Skytrax Picture below ;
Info on services in-flight visit ; http://www.airtahitinui.co.nz/inflight/business.asp
First Class has an 80" seat pitch and the same entertainment as Business Class. Seat reclines to a flat bed and as 19.4" seat width. Picture below ;
Info on services in-flight visit ; http://www.airtahitinui.co.nz/inflight/first.asp
3.
Air France
Use 747-400 aircraft on the route. Business Class has 48" seat pitch and reclines to 131 degrees. Entertainment is : an individual screen with video games and a choice of six recently released films and ten music channels. You can earn FFP from Skyteam members. Picture Below *of the new seat* ;
Visit www.airfrance.com for details in-flight.
In summary I think that Air Tahiti Nui would be best for in-flight service and also I think that the A340's would be the quitest aircraft. Air Tahiti Nui flies LAX-PPT 12 times per week but Air New Zealand would be best for earning the FFP's on however they only fly the route 4 times a week.
Cleared2Land4 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3092 times:
ok so my first pic would be AF beacause of their new Business Product. Are all flights from lax-ppt equiped with the new seats?
Cleared2Land4 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3043 times:
ok i will but i would still like to know if the AF flights have the new business seats?
Tundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 429 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2979 times:
AF hands down. TN looks good but I can tell you its not as good as AF. The crews AF has on the PPT flights are all PPT based. The TN legroom in Economy is awful! Good recline but not enough room between seats. ANZ with the 767 has a very long flight time and they dont offer the service AF or TN do.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2962 times:
Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 7): The TN legroom in Economy is awful!
AF and TN have the exact same seat pitch in Y, 32". NZ has 34"
TN is usually the cheapest and I have heard nothing but raves about their service quality, particularly the food, but you cannot earn miles on any other airline (you can burn AA or NW miles). NZ is probably the most comfortable, given that they have the 34" seat pitch and fly very uncrowded 763ERs. Of course, you get a 747 with AF, which is always great.
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NZ only has 34" seat pitch in economy on their 747's. On the 777's, 767's and 320's the seat pitch is 32" and on the 737 it is 30". Pic of 767 seat in Y on NZ ;
Well I don't know. I can tell you that NZ does have a very nice product but meal portions aren't as large as some may expect. Also, because the flight is operated with a 767 it takes longer than the 747/340 as it has to make a slight 'detour' closer to hawaii due to Etops.
The new NZ lounge in LAX is fantastic and has just finished being refurbished. NZ also has a lounge at PPT, I do not know whether AF does.
Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 7): The TN legroom in Economy is awful! Good recline but not enough room between seats
I don't think the person who started this thread wants to travel in economy ;
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2851 times:
Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 9): NZ only has 34" seat pitch in economy on their 747's. On the 777's, 767's and 320's the seat pitch is 32" and on the 737 it is 30". Pic of 767 seat in Y on NZ ;
Ah, thanks, that is a crunch on the 737s.
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RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8746 posts, RR: 52 Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2821 times:
I had the same choices a few years ago. I flew SEA-LAX-PPT on United and Air New Zealand in business class. It came down to earning United Airlines miles on Air New Zealand and getting a good deal in discounted business class.
It is a hard choice. Each airline has its own advantages. NZ and TN have very good cabin crews although the Air New Zealand meals aren't the best. It comes down to what your personal preferences are. But AF's new seats are probably very good. Lie Flat seats would be a whole lot nicer than the older style recliners used by NZ and TN (if Air New Zealand had the new Virgin Atlantic Suites on the 767s, then they would win, but unfortunately those seats are restricted to 777s and 747s).
Have a fun time in Tahiti. It is outrageously expensive, but quite amazing. Just make sure you spend some time in an island other than the main island of Tahiti. Bora Bora and Moorea both have much better beaches and are more laid back and relaxing.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
Planemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2724 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 10): Ah, thanks, that is a crunch on the 737s
Well the 737's really are only used on domestic routes in New Zealand, none being more than 1hour and 45 minutes. The 737's are also used on AKL-Niue once weekly, AKL-NAN-RAR once weekly and AKL-Norfolk Island twice weekly.
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11): It came down to earning United Airlines miles on Air New Zealand
Yes, this is where TN have a dis-advantage as you can only earn points on them through their FFP, 'Club Tiare' which costs 2500XPF to join. If you fly DL/CO/NW quite alot then AF would be the best for earning miles. If you use US/UA more then NZ would be better.
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 11): if Air New Zealand had the new Virgin Atlantic Suites on the 767s, then they would win, but unfortunately those seats are restricted to 777s and 747s
Yes, although the 767's will be getting a 'mini-makeover' with new seat fabrics, portable dvd players for passengers in economy e.t.c. Four of the nine NZ 767's will be leaving the fleet in the next year as they will be replaced by 777's and the rest will then be replaced by 787's so I think PPT-LAX will be getting the flat beds e.t.c when NZ get the 787.
Tundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 429 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2709 times:
Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 9): I don't think the person who started this thread wants to travel in economy ;
Ok well my expierence on AF betwen LAX-PPT has been in P,J,Y. Sadly they dont offer P any more which was the best on this run. On TN I have flown J and Y. While the cabins are nice the service doesnt seem consistant. In economy the crew is usually hit or miss as far as friendly. In J its better. But I guess I am particular to AF. Also the fact that you cannot earn miles on TN rules them out when the ticket isnt free in my book. As a Plat. in the Flying Blue program I prefer AF for the miles and the bonus! I also find the crews on AF to be friendly in all respective cabins and the entertainment is much better as you have a PTV in all cabins.
AF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1036 posts, RR: 37 Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2689 times:
Ia Orana All !
I must correct something that was said in a post above...
Air France as of december 14th uses its 747-400 that are refurbished and offers the best product in Business Class compared to its competitors on the route. The seat pitch is not 48" and it doesn't recline to 131 degrees anymore as we are now flying our new l'Espace seats on the route.
Presently the cabin has 40 seats with a seat pitch of 61" and a full recline of 180° albeit at an angle, TV screens are 10"4.
The passengers have the full use of a nice self service bar, and espressos are available on demand.
In LAX our passengers uses the Air New Zealand lounge which is an excellent one.
In Papeete ANZ doesn't have a lounge anymore as the airport operator SETIL bought back the lounge and expanded it. It is now used by all carriers serving PPT but mainly by AF, NZ and TN.
Air France is a founding member of SkyTEAM and you have the opportunity to accrue miles on any of the other 8 carriers forming part of the recently named Best Alliance for 2005 by Global Traveller Magazine. AF was also named best transatlantic carrier for 2005. The possibility to accrue miles or burn them on all these airlines makes it a better choice above ATN. ANZ offers the same facility with its membership with Star Alliance.
Planemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2651 times:
Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 15): offers the best product in Business Class compared to its competitors on the route
Well AF do not operate first class on the route and I do not think 61" can beat 80" which is what TN has in first class. TN also has best cabin crew in pacific.
Tbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 5 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2639 times:
All I can say is that I think I've hit the jackpot on this thread. I am also a very interested voyeur at airlinemeals.net. On this forum, the gentleman who bills himself as AF Cabin Crew is known on airlinemeals.net as "Manureva."
I have been fascinated with Manureva's writing and attention to detail. Manureva says "they (genderless)" are airline crew which attracts me even more - been there, also (Dites-moi, svp employez moi! J'ai visiter Tahiti quatre fois et beaucoups des Iles pres de Papeete.)!
AF Cabin Crew, "Manureva," whoever you are - Merci pour tous. All the great pics at a-m/net, your perceptiveness, and everything here at a.netters.
Planemanofnz - you write extremely well for your stated age. If that's all well and true, try a career in writing. You're talented!
Gentlemen, thank you for a great thread. Most appreciated! Manureva, it is a great pleasure knowing who you are - thank you for everything!
AF Cabin Crew From French Polynesia, joined Sep 1999, 1036 posts, RR: 37 Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2638 times:
Planemanofnz,
You are comparing apples and oranges... AF has 61" of pitch in Business Class and TN has 80" of pitch in First...
So we might not be able to beat the TN First Class with our business one but we surely can beat their business class !
So if you don't mind we'll compare the 3 business classes of ANZ, ATN and AFR !
Mr AirNZ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2002, 766 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2598 times:
Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 12): Well the 737's really are only used on domestic routes in New Zealand, none being more than 1hour and 45 minutes. The 737's are also used on AKL-Niue once weekly, AKL-NAN-RAR once weekly and AKL-Norfolk Island twice weekly.
They are also used to BNE still out of CHC a few times a week and to TBU out of AKL and I would also agree with AF Cabin Crew, compare apples with apples mate.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2589 times:
Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 12): Well the 737's really are only used on domestic routes in New Zealand, none being more than 1hour and 45 minutes
Still, freaking ouch
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MarshalN From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2581 times:
Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 18): Well AF do not operate first class on the route and I do not think 61" can beat 80" which is what TN has in first class. TN also has best cabin crew in pacific.
Is there really a difference between 61" and 80"? IMHO, seat pitch no longer matters once over about 60".
Planemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2551 times:
Quoting Mr AirNZ (Reply 21): I would also agree with AF Cabin Crew, compare apples with apples mate.
Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 20): You are comparing apples and oranges... AF has 61" of pitch in Business Class and TN has 80" of pitch in First...
So we might not be able to beat the TN First Class with our business one but we surely can beat their business class !
Yes I know but the starter of the thread said that they would be flying "first or business" *see below,* so therefore we should include TN's first class product in all of this. All I am doing is including ALL of the variables.
Quoting AF Cabin Crew (Reply 20): So if you don't mind we'll compare the 3 business classes of ANZ, ATN and AFR !
Well I already have compared the 3 business classes *see reply 3.* However I think we should not leave out TN's first class if the starter of the thread can fly either business or first! *see the quote above.*
Quoting Tbear815 (Reply 19): Planemanofnz - you write extremely well for your stated age. If that's all well and true, try a career in writing. You're talented!
Thank you, 'Tbear815.' I have thought about a career in journalism or writing however I think aviation is the right career for me! Needless to say, I will keep all of my options open.
Tbear815 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 704 posts, RR: 5 Reply 25, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 2399 times:
How about a travel journalist. Then you could fly frequently and generally get upgraded as News Media. Make money at something you like - you'll be even more richly rewarded.
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