Mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7419 posts, RR: 65 Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4518 times:
A colleague recently told me that since September 2001, all El Al flights that leaves JFK are escorted to the runway by an armored vehicle. SUpposedly, this vehicle floolws the plane to the runway...
and once the plane aligns and begins its takeoff roll, the armored car literally chases it while it takes off. Are there any photos of that?
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STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16260 posts, RR: 52 Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4425 times:
I dont know about armored cars, but when I was at EWR one day watching departures a EL AL pick up truck parked right next to me.
He stayed there and talked on his radio untill the El Al jet departed, then he left.
It was not an armored car, and it was just one guy who didn't look to intimidating. He just sat there and watched the aircraft untill it left, all the while talking on a radio, he didn't seem to be concerned with me.
In these 2 pictures (both taken before 2001) you can see the German armored vehicle that escorts El Al planes on the ramp. One of these is from Frankfurt, and the other from Munich. I don't know if the same thing is done in New York. I know I have seen a picture of a plane being escorted in germany where the photgrapher made a specific comment about it, but I can't find it now.
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Mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7419 posts, RR: 65 Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4365 times:
Thanks for the images so far guys!
I have yet to see a photo where the plane is literally being chased by the armored vehicle. THat is something I have to see!
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Mikephotos From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 56 Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4344 times:
That does not happen at JFK from what I have seen.
United_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7159 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4155 times:
I wonder why US airlines are followed in ZRH ?
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ScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4102 times:
I have no idea about armor cars were followed with these planes on an El Al. It was get strictly security reason for El Al and it will get any of kind tight security. I wondered about what is going on for LY. I am planned going to Israel for next year of May 2004. Thanks!
Cancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4066 times:
i doubt that any armored vechicle could keep up with a plane on takeoff. even a humvee can't and thats about the fastest vechicle in the army's arsenal. maybe a police cruiser could, but that too is doubtful.
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Tokolosh From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 359 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3642 times:
Here in Amsterdam El Al cargo 747s were escorted by an armoured vehicle even before the (1993?) crash. So it's nothing new. But, funnily enough, I haven't seen this happening in recent years.
AZO From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 765 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3642 times:
Both times I have flown El Al out of JFK (1995 and 1998) we have had an escort from an armored vehicle. However when I flew them out of DTW, I do not recall seeing this.
AlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3287 times:
when ever i have been near a EL AL at jfk recently i have never seen it being escorted by an armour veichele i have seen a AF 777 being ecorted as it landed.
Artsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4741 posts, RR: 43 Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3268 times:
I'd love to see the vehichle try to stay on the runway if it was following a 747 down the runway with engines at full thrust.
752is From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2951 times:
The armored vehicle in JFK that is being refered is the Port Authoritys. It is available on request. It's not a tank but some sort of vehicle that can even go in the water. I just call it the " urban assault vehicle"
Mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7419 posts, RR: 65 Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2913 times:
I ogt up close to that amphibian a few wekes ago. THat thing is a MONSTER!
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Zebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 412 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2866 times:
I used work @ JFK during my summer breaks from college in the 80's and worked for Allied (now Allied-Ogden) as a ramper and there was always a contingent of security vehicles around ELAL flts. There were no armored cars but they had their own security force which used Chevy Caprice station wagons and yes they would 'escort' the a/c all the way to the runways and try as they might, drive as fast as they could while the a/c was on it's t/o roll. I vividly remember one night when I was taking a couple of pallets of cargo from one of their pax flt to the cargo area and since it was late and I wanted to go home, I called myself leaving the roadway and taking a shortcut across the ramp since it was virtually empty and the security car following me sped around and cut me off. Two of their 'guards' jumped out of the car and asked me where I was going and I told them that I was taking a short cut and they told me to get back on the road immediately!!! Every time we worked those flts, it was all business, no joking around. They would consantly check our id's and made sure we didn't pack bags/cargo that would block the cameras in the belly. Who would have thought that 2 decades ago they were ensuring that what happened on Sept 11, 2001 would never happen to their airline. ELAL should be considered the "Undisputed Kings" of airline security bar none.
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Zebfly2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 412 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2865 times:
I failed to mention that the security 'chase cars' were not on the runway while the a/c were taking off, but on the taxiways.
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AeroAussie From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 264 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2855 times:
I can't imagine anyone thinking that having an armored car chase an ElAl 747 down a runway is really going to stop something from happening, if indeed something is going to happen.
MIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2663 times:
here at MIA a jeep or a van with dark tints follows the plane on taxi and stays around until the plane takes off. It will usually (idiotically) stop next to the spotters on the other side of the fence until the "danger" has passed
in one occation, one of the photographers here who works for the police, wasn't wearing his uniform or police t-shirt and one of the guys on the vehicle flashed a gun at him while he was near the fence with his camera.
Last time I was photographing an EL AL aircraft i was in my car and waited until the vehicle passed, as soon as I got near the fence it made a U turn and came back and parked next to me, but he knew better not to block my view
Olivex From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 13 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2606 times:
at ORD, chicago police are always parked by the plane.
Cancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2584 times:
ELAL should be considered the "Undisputed Kings" of airline security bar none.
they are, and thier security is why no person has ben able to sucesfully hijack an EL AL plane. only one person attempted, but was subdued very quickly by air marshals. just so you know, she was about 5' tall and weighed no more than 150lbs.
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