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AC 777-200LR Or 300ER From YYZ-LAX-SYD?  
User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8227 times:

Hello all

First of all we all know AC will be using B777-200LR next year in early summer 2007 for YYZ to LAX to SYD routing. Since everyone has their own favourite a/c to fly and a wishful thinking which a/c they want to see on the route. What would you like to see on the AC's new route to SYD, B777-200LR or B777-300ER? I would like to see AC using the 777-300ER.

comments are appreciate please.

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User currently offlineThepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8194 times:

I would say the 773ER. The 200LR should be used on a long non-stop flight, and I don't think YYZ-LAX-SYD merits the LR.


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User currently offlinePlanecrazy2 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 615 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8148 times:

The 773ER for sure. It truly is the king of the 777 family.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8106 times:

Well, I am betting that if the loads are there for them, AC will switch over to the 773ER. I am just happy that widebody service will return to the LAX-YYZ route. Then again, I think that LAX-MEL would be the better route for them to go after given the lack of competition (only 1x non-stop from QF per day as opposed to as many as 5x between QF and UA). They will have a higher CASM on the route than either QF or UA but they will be able to sell fewer seats and at a lower yield since they only have 2 classes.

[Edited 2006-02-12 10:50:00]


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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7965 times:

Quoting AirCanada014 (Thread starter):
First of all we all know AC will be using B777-200LR next year in early summer 2007 for YYZ to LAX to SYD routing.

Can you provide an authority for the statement that this service will be via LAX?


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7948 times:
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Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 4):
Can you provide an authority for the statement that this service will be via LAX?

RE: AC To Fly YYZ-LAX-SYD In '07 (by AirCanada014 Jan 29 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2577126

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/January2006/25/c0761.html



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7857 times:

Quoting SunriseValley (Reply 4):
Can you provide an authority for the statement that this service will be via LAX?

This is the route authority that company has applied for, which has been well documented in several press releases.

Quoting AirCanada014 (Thread starter):
What would you like to see on the AC's new route to SYD, B777-200LR or B777-300ER?

I think it all depends on the delivery schedule of the aircraft. It's my understanding (through marketing), that it will be the 777-200LR. The 777-300ER's are Europe bound AFAIK. (LHR/FRA/CDG)



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User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4765 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7844 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 6):
The 777-300ER's are Europe bound AFAIK.

And west coast Canada to eastern Asia.



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7781 times:

The 773ER will be basically taking over ops from the old B744 Combies. YYZ - LHR, FRA and YVR - NRT. With only 3 B773ERs initially, AC will only use them on their few high capacity- long haul routes. But I could see them fly YUL - LHR, and some south American and Asian flights out of YYZ.

I would be interested to see if AC firms its options, how many B773ER will be included.

Any knows the seating and class configs for the new T7s?

Krisyyz


User currently offlineMoose1226 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 250 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 7689 times:

Couldn't the 772LR just do YYZ-SYD nonstop and avoid the US immigration headaches?

User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1000 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7647 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 8):
With only 3 B773ERs initially

AC have ordered 4 x 773ER's and 12 772LR's in their initial order. The other 777's are purchase rights, which may become firm orders...although, because they are only Purchase Rights, I suspect that only a few will ever see the fleet. That said, AC is probably just waiting to see how the 777's are suited to the AC network.

James



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User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7628 times:

Quoting Moose1226 (Reply 9):
Couldn't the 772LR just do YYZ-SYD nonstop and avoid the US immigration headaches?




With the maximum number of extra tanks, it could cover the distance, but you don't fly planes just to cover distance, you fly them to make money, and a Toronto-Sydney route at this juncture would be a dubious commercial proposition. The Los Angeles stop is meant to bolster the commercial capability of the route by topping up with some higher-yielding traffic. I can think of a half-dozen new long-range routes AC would contemplate with a 772-LR before Toronto-Sydney, like Toronto-Jobourg, or Toronto-Bombay. There would also be labor issues, since a Toronto-Sydney flight would fall under the parametres of ultra long haul flying (ULH). ULH rules have yet to be designed at AC. Toronto-Bombay would not be ULH, just short of it. Maybe if the Canada-Australia market grows some, there will be a Toronto-Sydney nonstop in a decade.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7623 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 8):
The 773ER will be basically taking over ops from the old B744 Combies. YYZ - LHR, FRA and YVR - NRT.

The 74E's never operated into NRT. Traditionally the 744 Combi's flew:

AC872/3 YYZ-FRA-YYZ
AC856/7 YYZ-LHR-YYZ
AC870/1 YUL-CDG-YUL

These were in addition to some periodic transcon runs:
YYZ/YVR/YYZ (Ad Hoc equipment subs)
YYZ/LAX/YYZ (Upon delivery in 1992)

In addition 2 777F's are on order presumably to replace (or supplement) the Gemini/World Cargo contracts.



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7612 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 11):
I can think of a half-dozen new long-range routes AC would contemplate with a 772-LR before Toronto-Sydney, like Toronto-Jobourg, or Toronto-Bombay.

Exactly.

Quoting Sebring (Reply 11):
There would also be labor issues, since a Toronto-Sydney flight would fall under the parametres of ultra long haul flying (ULH). ULH rules have yet to be designed at AC.

Actually ULH paramaters cover YYZ-HKG & the previously flown YYZ-DEL route, in terms of supernumerary crew members as well as crew rest issues. YYZ-SYD would be ultra, ultra long haul.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7577 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 10):
AC have ordered 4 x 773ER's and 12 772LR's in their initial order. The other 777's are purchase rights, which may become firm orders...although, because they are only Purchase Rights, I suspect that only a few will ever see the fleet. That said, AC is probably just waiting to see how the 777's are suited to the AC network.

Interesting to see the order mix change. Originally it was 3 773ERs and 13 772LRs.


User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4765 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7504 times:

Quoting Moose1226 (Reply 9):
Couldn't the 772LR just do YYZ-SYD nonstop and avoid the US immigration headaches?

LAX was chosen as it would also serve as a hub. While YYZ-LAX can certainly support a B777, there are other markets which will connect to the outbound flight to/from LAX-SYD: YVR-LAX, YEG-LAX, YYC-LAX, YWG-LAX, YOW-LAX and YUL-LAX were all mentioned, and would connect with the LAX-SYD leg.



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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7357 times:

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 15):
there are other markets which will connect to the outbound flight to/from LAX-SYD: YVR-LAX, YEG-LAX, YYC-LAX, YWG-LAX, YOW-LAX and YUL-LAX were all mentioned, and would connect with the LAX-SYD leg.

I would have thought a hub at YVR would be a better idea. YYZ-YVR-SYD perhaps?



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7293 times:

I think all factors were considered here. The is a large proportion of high end premium traffic between YYZ & LAX. It is also a heavy and profitable cargo route, as evidenced by the added lift provided by Gemini/World MD-11's. Given the number of Qantas flights ex LAX and the volume of traffic to SYD, it bolsters the presence of Star Alliance on the route. Hopefully all regulatory approvals will be received.


Above and Beyond
User currently offlineSFORunner From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6567 times:

Quoting LongHauler (Reply 15):
LAX was chosen as it would also serve as a hub

And also *is* already a hub for UA.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6549 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 8):
But I could see them fly YUL - LHR

Surely you mean YUL-CDG.


User currently offlineYYZACGUY From Canada, joined May 2004, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5484 times:

Does that mean that YVR HNL SYD is STOPPED or will AC still do that flight with 3 flights going into SYD


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User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5201 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5350 times:

Quoting YYZACGUY (Reply 20):
Does that mean that YVR HNL SYD is STOPPED or will AC still do that flight with 3 flights going into SYD

That will be stopped in favour of a non stop YVR-SYD and a YYZ-LAX-SYD service, so 2 daily flights to SYD.

I maybe wrong but I thought they would use the 773ER's on the YYZ-LAX-SYD service.


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 12):
The 74E's never operated into NRT. Traditionally the 744 Combi's flew

Sorry, I should of said B744s.The combies never flew Pacific ops, but the ex-Canadian B744s did.

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 10):
Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 8):
With only 3 B773ERs initially

AC have ordered 4 x 773ER's and 12 772LR's in their initial order

That’s interesting! According to Boeing its 4x773ER, but according the AC's web site its 3 x 773ERs. Whats that about?

Krisyyz


User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1000 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5235 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 22):
That’s interesting! According to Boeing its 4x773ER, but according the AC's web site its 3 x 773ERs. Whats that about?

About two weeks ago, AC changed their order make-up. Its just that the AC website is not up to date, or you are looking in an older presentation. I was curious to see who would pick up on it when I said it...because there was nothing really said about this on the forums.

James



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User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1590 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5196 times:

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 23):

Great news! I guess AC is already seeing more room for higher-capacity planes in its fleet.

I guess Boeing is pretty flexible on its ordering, AC is still playing with its orders 3 months after it got signed. I wonder if Boeing is going to make AC pay for an extra ER or will they just slap an LR price tag on a T7-300ER?

Krisyyz


25 Cruiser : AC probably had this exact case in the terms and conditions of the order. Make no mistake, it probably cost AC to make the switch, but how much, I do
26 N1120A : There is no "huge" bill for the change (at least not any more huge than an airplane already costs). Contracts for the sale of airplanes are very firm
27 HanginOut : IIRC, There's been some talk of possibly having a YVR-MEL service as well. Maybe the ideal flights for AC would be YYZ-LAX-SYD, YVR-SYD (non-stop), a
28 Cruiser : In this given case, the 773ER is about 10% more expensive (roughly...). By huge bill, I would expect Boeing to charge approximately 13-15% more for t
29 Sebring : The contract, with blacked out sections, is public and readily available. We posted the link here two weeks ago. It refers to an as-yet undetermined s
30 BeechNut : This is false. I've flown AC trans-Pacific at least once a year in the period 1995-2002; at least once yearly to SEL & back, occasionally from KIX/NR
31 Ikramerica : That explains YYZ-LAX then. The 772LR, even without optional tanks, can carry quite a bit of cargo on top of a full load of pax. One would expect the
32 Post contains images FLYACYYZ : Picky, picky A.netters One has to be so careful with their terminology. I pointed out that TRADITIONALLY, the 74E's were dedicated on the 3 mentioned
33 Sebring : It should also be pointed out that AC has swap-out rights that would allow it to swap 772LR orders for 773ER orders, without penality, providing the c
34 Dalecary : Yes, they had 13 772LR, 2 77F and 3 773ER on order. This has now been converted to 12 772LR, 2 77F and 4 773ER. I still find it very interesting that
35 BeechNut : They didn't show up "occasionally". They were the regularly assigned equipment on YVR-SEL and YVR-HKG; when AC was awarded those routes they were jus
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