RogerThat From United States, joined Dec 2003, 449 posts, RR: 0 Posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1923 times:
Bloddy Awful is how I would describe BA's Trans Atlantic club class on the B777.
The cabin configuration is 2 - 4 - 2 which results in a cramped, crowded cabin. The seats are claustrophobic, like being locked in a closet. To top it off, the reading lights didn't work and when they dimmed the cabin lights, I couldn't see. But this was a blessing in disguise as it allowed me to spend most of the flight in economy.
If you're planning a flight on BA, don't waste your money on club class. This has got to be the worst value in the air.
A340600 From United Kingdom (England), joined Aug 2003, 3976 posts, RR: 59 Reply 2, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1836 times:
Quoting RogerThat (Thread starter): But this was a blessing in disguise as it allowed me to spend most of the flight in economy.
Well if you prefer 3-3-3, 31 inches of legroom and about as much personal space as a dogs cage you're welcome, i'll have your flat bed
GDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 11052 posts, RR: 82 Reply 4, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1736 times:
Funny, in all my flights in Club, I've never found it cramped, nor claustrophobic, even when busy, everything has been serviceable too.
Personal taste, rather than fact?
Timboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 684 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1736 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 4): Personal taste, rather than fact?
most things come down to that. arent BA about to upgrade their seats??
Captaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 4339 posts, RR: 15 Reply 6, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1676 times:
Quoting GDB (Reply 4): Personal taste, rather than fact?
Pretty much that is what it boils down to. Club world is a great business class product in my opinion. Reading lights not working, would not be the case on every airplane and in every seat, but it happens from time to time, we all know that.
You won't find me in coach, if i had a club world seat with or without reading lights...
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1614 times:
Quoting RogerThat (Thread starter): If you're planning a flight on BA, don't waste your money on club class. This has got to be the worst value in the air.
On behalf of the millions, including yours truly, who find BA's ClubWorld cabins and inflight service wonderful, please choose another airline, and leave the rest of us to enjoy our flights.
BCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3378 posts, RR: 29 Reply 10, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1433 times:
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9): On behalf of the millions, including yours truly, who find BA's ClubWorld cabins and inflight service wonderful, please choose another airline, and leave the rest of us to enjoy our flights.
MOL on SRB's latest attack at BA: "It's like a little Chihuahua barking at a dying Labrador. Nobody cares."
Cadet57 From United States, joined Jul 2005, 7996 posts, RR: 38 Reply 12, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1235 times:
One experiance and BA is the worst airline ever.... grow up. Boo Hoo you diddnt like your bussiness class seat. I enjoy coach alot. IDK call me up next time you dont want to fly in those horrible bussiness seats....
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Moparman From United States, joined Dec 2005, 411 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1178 times:
Club on BA is amazing! Yeah let me squeeeeeze into that 2+4+2 configuration on a B744! If you are 8 feet tall - then yes it is cramped! I think the next time I take BA, I'm going to fly coach in the glorious 3+4+3, or better still yet... a 3+5+3 configuration that is given on military charters.
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Fbgdavidson From United Kingdom (England), joined Oct 2004, 3409 posts, RR: 34 Reply 14, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1172 times:
Quoting RogerThat (Thread starter): Bloddy Awful is how I would describe BA's Trans Atlantic club class on the B777.
The cabin configuration is 2 - 4 - 2 which results in a cramped, crowded cabin. The seats are claustrophobic, like being locked in a closet. To top it off, the reading lights didn't work and when they dimmed the cabin lights, I couldn't see. But this was a blessing in disguise as it allowed me to spend most of the flight in economy.
Try BA upstairs on the 747 and your opinion of Club World will be radically changed. While I am a great fan of Club World I think the 777 is not it at it's best, I affectionately call the 2-4-2 config 'The Flying Youth Hostel'. Upstairs on the 747 the wide aisle, 2-2 seating and side bins certainly make it feel much more spacious than it feels on the 777 even though it is the same seat. Read and see more pictures in this report. BA293/292 Club World - LHR-IAD-LHR (with Pictures) (by Fbgdavidson Apr 4 2005 in Trip Reports)
As for the seat itself, I am 6ft and find it fine due to the way I sleep but if I was a 6ft 3" I've probably struggle a little. However, I certainly wouldn't say economy was more comfortable, that is laughable at best, trolling at worst!
As for the reading lights, you do need to be patient with them. The inseat ones are a little temperemental to the extent where you think they aren't working but press three times and they flick on. The overhead ones however are badly misaligned.
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Shamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1094 times:
Personally I prefer the open feel of the 777 Club cabin to the 747-400 and 767 though I do see why most people prefer the privacy of the 747 upper deck.
The seat design is excellent. It allowed BA to become the first airline to install fully flat beds in J, and the forward/backward arrangement minimises wasted space therefore preventing a loss of capacity. Admittedly it is now over five years old and the replacement which will be launched within the next few months is now due for BA to maintain its position as one of the world's leading airlines.
RogerThat From United States, joined Dec 2003, 449 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1031 times:
Thank you all for your replies. Even those who tossed jib-jabs, that's what free speech is all about. For those of you who think I'm a total BA hater, let me clarify a few points:
1. Meal Service - The steak was one of the best business class meals in memory. No bangers and mash option like on Fbgdavidson LHR-IAD flight.
2. Cabin Staff - Top Notch. BA's cabin (and ground) staff seem to enjoy what they are doing, much more so than their counterparts with AA.
3. Economy Cabin - Also Top Notch. I like the 2 - 4 - 2 seating configuration. The foot rests are a nice touch. Overall, this cabin seems like a great value for a daylight flight.
Some of us need to get work done whilst flying. That's why light is a bigger deal than a lay-flat seat. If it were an overnight flight, then sleeping is a bigger deal.
CCA and BHX..., I know what you mean about the ramp seats on CX and TP. I have been rudely awoken by a self inflicted wedgy.
If anyone is considering BA ClubWorld, my advice:
1. Go to www.seatguru.com to get a feel for the cabin, good and bad seats.
2. Select a forward facing, aisle seat. Those seats seem to be less claustrophobic.
3. Travel next to someone you don't mind being face to face with.
4. Carry your own flashlight.
5. Unless you really want to sleep, BA's Economy is more comfortable (to me) than Club World.
Wrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1815 posts, RR: 12 Reply 18, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1018 times:
The BA product is world class (IMHO).
It's a 6ft long fully flat bed, and I personaly have no complaints,wether foward or backward facing.
If you don't like it,try another airline.
There will almost always be something not right, it's sods-law (meaning if it can go wrong, it does).
Yes BA is introducing a new Club World product latter this year.
Wrighbrothers
P.S- if you don't like looking at the other person, try pulling over the little blind between the seats.
DavidT From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 472 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1014 times:
Quoting RogerThat (Thread starter): Bloddy Awful is how I would describe BA's Trans Atlantic club class on the B777.
The cabin configuration is 2 - 4 - 2 which results in a cramped, crowded cabin. The seats are claustrophobic, like being locked in a closet. To top it off, the reading lights didn't work and when they dimmed the cabin lights, I couldn't see. But this was a blessing in disguise as it allowed me to spend most of the flight in economy.
If you're planning a flight on BA, don't waste your money on club class. This has got to be the worst value in the air.
I've never seen anything so opinionated and extreme before!
If you'd rather spend time in economy rather than relax on your bed, feel free.
You could always try another airline. God forbid if their reading lights don't work though...
Previous flights: BA LHR-YVR, MAN-JFK (Club); BA MAN-HEL; AY MAN-HEL,TLL; Next Flights: BA LGW-ANU, BA LHR-DXB
Fbgdavidson From United Kingdom (England), joined Oct 2004, 3409 posts, RR: 34 Reply 20, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1002 times:
Sounds like it wasn't so 'Bloody Awful' then
Quoting RogerThat (Reply 17): 1. Meal Service - The steak was one of the best business class meals in memory. No bangers and mash option like on Fbgdavidson LHR-IAD flight.
But that was yum, besides it wasn't bangers and mash, it was Royal Duchy pork....
I'd say I keep trying the steak in Club World in the vain hope it was better than the previous attempt. It usually isn't and some day I'll learn the error of my ways and order something else.
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ExFATboy From United States, joined Jul 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 9 Reply 21, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 980 times:
I've always been happy with Club World, both in the 747 and the 777, except for the rear-facing seats. Got stuck in one of those once and started feeling airsick almost instantly - fortunately I was able to change seats. I don't know if it's me or if it's psychological or what, but I can't stand facing backward on an airplane.
Speedbird2155 From United Kingdom (England), joined Feb 2005, 709 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 940 times:
Quoting RogerThat (Reply 17): 3. Economy Cabin - Also Top Notch. I like the 2 - 4 - 2 seating configuration. The foot rests are a nice touch. Overall, this cabin seems like a great value for a daylight flight.
World Traveller (ie economy) on a 777 is 3-3-3 config. You happened to have experienced World Traveller Plus, which is indeed good. Club World is still preferred.
As for the rear facing seats, they are actually enjoyable, especially if at a window seat. Feels a little strange on take-off and landing, but it's enjoyable. My first time in them I don't recall feeling any different from forward facing seats.
LACA773 From United States, joined Nov 2004, 1965 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (3 years 8 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 912 times:
I for one think that BA's ClubWorld is an excellent, and superior product when comparing to the likes of the US flag carriers. If I had a scenario of flying BA and having to pay a higher fare over a lower fare on AA/DL/NW, I'd definitely paying more money and fly with BA, no question about it. It's a far superior product on that route [though I have heard from friends that VS's product is superior as well and from what I've read in the trip reports on here].
I feel BA offers:
-A better seat than the rest [perhaps with the exception of VS].
-Have better inflight catering that does change and isn't the same rotated crap that AA serves.
-Cabin Crews are professional and very polite/friendly, willing to help you in anyway they can. You don't have to worry about a moody bunch of old men & women working a flight and nearly throwing food down on the tray tables, throwing an attitude and disappearing for the majority of the flight like they do on AA & UA [their inconsistent cabin crew service is on the verge of being scarry as you never know what to expect.].
-They keep the cabins clean and updated. I have yet to see something with duck tape on it!
-They have awesome amentity kits compared to the rest and don't skimp on them at all.
-I have heard they are getting ready to re-vamp their ClubWorld and I bet it will be ever better than it is now.
In my opinion these would be my choices when traveling to the UK from LAX:
1) BA
2) VS-Even though I've never flown on them, I'd love to experience them from everything I've heard.
3) CO-I'd take a connection on them because their BusinessFirst product is wonderful, and they make an honest attempt to give and put out a wonderful service and experience.
4) UA-I gotta say, UA has made many many improvements considerng everything that has gone on with the bankruptcy and all the union problems etc they endured. The flight crews might not always be consistent, but what I have seen is they do try even though I do skimp on certain important things. After having flown their "p.s." product on the LAX-JFK route, I'd definitely give them a chance. They really do come through on that and set themselves apart in a very positive manner compared to the competition from AA, which is old and dated, and flight crews for the most part rude, indifferent, and condesending [not to mention and sad to say that B6 and the soon to disappear Song offer a superior main cabin product over AA].
5)DL-They too are trying but have a long ways to go. I hope they can get their act together with all this international expansion and focus on these markets. Hopefully we'll see a much improved product in the not too far off future.
6)NW- Just a blah first class domestic product on an international flight with updated seats. Some of the meals I've seen on www.airlinemeals.net look as though someone has "lost it" in their business class plate.
7)AA- the most inconsistent by far. You never know what to expect, they cut corners, continually remove things from menus etc. It's like they have a motto of: "Cut it Cut it CUT IT".
CXtra From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 262 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 874 times:
Quoting CCA (Reply 7): Flat bed for me , not those ramps like on CX .
ba flat beds may be comfortable for sleeping but for using the avod, reading, and eating, "those ramps" are much more comfortable as they have a legrest and a footrest that isn't a wobbly little stool a mile in front of your seat. i find that ba seats are not supportive enough for anything other than sleeping.
Aerofan From United States, joined Aug 2004, 1480 posts, RR: 3 Reply 25, posted (3 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 764 times:
And that's what you get for not flying VS' Upper Class. You can't go wrong there. I've never had a bad flight while in VS' Upper and I have been flying it between 5- 6 times per year for the last 8 years, both as revenue and non revenue pax.
26 ClassicLover: Agreed. Upstairs J is a world apart on any airline. The BA product is glorious, on par with the QF product. They both have strengths and weaknesses t
28 Aerofan: Qantas product is glorious?!?!?! Didn't realize the definition of glorious had changed so dramtically. Am always amazed at how we all can perceive the
29 BA380: you must be having a laugh. I have had the misfirtune to fly AA twice LHR/LAX in J and it was pathetic compared to BA.
30 ClassicLover: I didn't have an issue with the rear facing seats... you don't notice it except during take off and landing, and then it's interesting because it's d
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