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Top 10 Safest Airlines  
User currently offlineAeroluxpt From Luxembourg, joined Feb 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hello to all a.nutters

Which airlines are in the Top 10 list as the safest in the World?(official records)
and which is your Top 10 list?

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User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

1. Quantas
2. Southwest
3. Jet Blue
4. British
5. Lufthansa
6. Singapore
7. ?
8. ?
9. ?
10.?


User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1713 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

I don't know the top 10, but everyone says that Qantas is the safest, although I'm sure there are alot of other airlines out there without any fatalities.


Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 1):
1. Quantas

Q A N T A S

http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn/home/qualifier-region-au


User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Is SW still #2? After the Chicago fatality?

User currently offlineAeroluxpt From Luxembourg, joined Feb 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 4):
Is SW still #2? After the Chicago fatality?

I was thinking the same thing because a have a list from 2001 and they were number 1,
Safest Airlines

United States and Canada

Rankings
Airlines
Accident Rate

1
South West 0.00
2
America West 0.00
3
Delta Airlines 0.23
4
North West 0.35
5
Continental Airlines 0.40
6
United Airlines 0.43
7
USAir 0.45
8
Air Canada 0.48
9
Aloha Airlines 0.49
10
American Airlines 0.53
Sources: AirDisaster.com, AirSafe.com, Boeing, FAA. Statistics valid through December 31, 2000


User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 4):

It was not their fatality, IMO, that wouldn't be counted against them as it wasn't a passenger on the plane nor a ground crew member.

The death is tragic, but to me does not impede on SW's fatality record. CO has sucked a ramper or two into an engine and I believe US has too, not sure if those count against those airlines. I think what is all said is.... true deadly passenger airplane crashes such as Pan Am and KLM at Tenerife, SQ at Singapore, and etc etc.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3464 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Fatality rates are calculated by the number of fatalities over the number of flights and passengers for a given time. Just one fatality isn't going to change WN's rate with the billions of passengers who've flown with them in the last 20-30 years.

Jeremy


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5394 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

It's very subjective and impossible to rate the airlines as 'safest'.

What does 'safest' mean?

IMO it's not quite as simple as rating them based on fatalities.

- Many crashes that are not maintenance/crew related could probably have happened to any airline - it was just bad luck it happened to a specific one.

- Does one crash with many fatalities really make an airline less 'safe' than one with 3 crashes but less pax killed? ...or an airline that had 3 very lucky incidents that could have been much worse.

- Often, after a crash, procedures/maintenance etc. etc. are changed and greatly improved (so it doesn't happen again!), and perhaps that airline is now 'safer' than those that haven't had a recent crash.

So, I believe many factors should be taken into account.

Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

So, what are the 10 safest airlines? From a statistical, not an opinionated perspective

User currently offlineRossbaku From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 7):
Fatality rates are calculated by the number of fatalities over the number of flights and passengers for a given time. Just one fatality isn't going to change WN's rate with the billions of passengers who've flown with them in the last 20-30 years

Hasn't the topic of this forum already been asked?

RE: Safest Airline (by Olympic707 Aug 18 2005 in Civil Aviation)#ID2280166

Near enough.

RossBaku  Silly


User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5394 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

www.airsafe.com will give you lots of answers by fatalities.

It's just as opinionated to say that 'safest airlines' should be based on fatalities, rather than many factors.

The original question was safest airlines - not just those with no fatalities - although I would agree that's a good starting point  

The statisticians would probably say that those airlines with no fatalities, like Qantas, are just as likely (or more?) as those with a recent fataltity, to have the next crash. (Although QF has many less take-off/landings than most US domestic airlines due to their longer routes)


Jimbo

[Edited 2006-03-05 20:03:24]


I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineAeroluxpt From Luxembourg, joined Feb 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Rossbaku (Reply 10):
Hasn't the topic of this forum already been asked?

Sorry for that

Quoting Aeroluxpt (Thread starter):
and which is your Top 10 list?

it's a bit diferent. I trust a small carrier like Luxair better than Tap , even though LG hade a fatal crash some years ago. It's a metter of perspective i would say.


User currently offlineRalgha From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 1614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 6):
It was not their fatality, IMO, that wouldn't be counted against them as it wasn't a passenger on the plane nor a ground crew member.

Not their fatality? Who's was it then? A Southwest airplane ended up on top of a car. If that airplane wasn't the cause of the kid's death, then what the hell was?



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5394 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Ralgha (Reply 13):
Not their fatality? Who's was it then? A Southwest airplane ended up on top of a car. If that airplane wasn't the cause of the kid's death, then what the hell was?

I totally agree, and it depends on what 'safest' means.

He's not including it because one interpretation of 'safest airline' is the safest in repect to the passengers, and your likelyhood of being in a crash as a passenger - not driving along the perimeter road.


Jimbo

[Edited 2006-03-05 20:23:17]


I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 11):
www.airsafe.com will give you lots of answers by fatalities.

I've been to this site often and I find a lot of fault with it. For one the data concerning flight cycles has not been updated since I first discovered the site in '99. So according to airsafe airlines like Air Tran and Midwest have sky-high accident rates even though they have one fatal accident apiece and have flown millions of flights since the numbers were last touched, just plain lazy.

Also airsafe defines fatal events differently for example this entry appeared on CO's accident page...

"2 August 1997; Continental Airlines Boeing 757-200; Lima, Peru: During passenger boarding, an elderly passenger in a wheelchair was assisted up the rear portable stairs by a gate agent. The passenger was instructed by the gate agent to remain at the top of the steps while the agent loaded the wheelchair into the cargo bin. However, the passenger continued to walk into the aircraft, through the aft galley and then through the catering door. The passenger fell to the tarmac through a space between the catering truck and the airplane. The passenger died from the fall injuries. The eight crew members and 141 other passengers were not injured."

This accident was counted in CO's fatal accident rate. And there were similarly ridiculous items as well like Air China being penalized for carrying someone who would later die of SARS.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/ is a much better source. Mountains of raw data which allow you to make your own judgements.



"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

European airliners with no fatal events since 1970 (airsafe.com):

Aer Lingus
Austrian
Finnair
Iceland Air
Virgin Atlantic
(Sabena)


User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5484 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

The often-cited claim of Qantas' flawlessness is sourced from (and what better source could there be?) the motion picture, "Rain Man."

Qantas are a stellar operator, but they have had, in their history, fatalities. None in a long, long time, though.

===

The argument about the tragic death in Chicago, after the Southwst jet overran the runway, is pedantic silliness. QF had their own, very high-profile runway overrun at BKK; it is their good fortune that there was not a road off the end of the runway there (as there are at many airports 'round the world), or they might have crushed a motor coach full of schoolchildren under the weight of a jumbo jet.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 1):
6. Singapore

How can SQ make this list when they had a horrendous crash in Taiwan a few years back .... entirely pilot error....


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

This is very subjective as what was safe 30 years ago can now have different management, lack of money and other problems causing a safety issue.. Also just because an airline has a major crash ie SQ doesnt mean its less safe than other airlines that havent recently had a problem ..

Yes Qantas has a great record but you cant tell me its safer than Air New Zealand , Singapore , BA and United etc..Especially when most airlines out source at least a part of their maintenace to other airlines..



"Pride of the pacific"
User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 14):

Agreed. The unfortuate fatality at MDW was not on a Southwest Airlines plane. It may be nick-picking but it is a fact.
Southwest has not had a passenger fatality.

safe



If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting SCCutler (Reply 17):
The often-cited claim of Qantas' flawlessness is sourced from (and what better source could there be?) the motion picture, "Rain Man."

Qantas are a stellar operator, but they have had, in their history, fatalities. None in a long, long time, though.

Actually "Rainman" got it right. Qantas has never had a passenger fatality, the evidence of which can be found here-

http://aviationsafety.net/database/operator/airline.php?var=4842

Now other Australian airlines have had fatal crashes-Ansett, ANA (Not the Japanese one), and TAA for example, all of which have gone out of business in the meantime.

This is not to say that Qantas is the safest airline, their stellar record does have a lot to do with their comparatively small size, and a healthy dose of luck. The 1999 BKK runway overrun could have easly turned into a disaster of tremendous proportions, the pilot obviously had a horseshoe up his ass that day!



"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2353 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hawaiian has a perfect safety record from its start in 1929 until today....I'm pretty sure it is unrivaled, as Qantas is only 'perfect' in the 'jet-age.'

-Aloha!



Aloha Airlines - The Spirit Moves Us. Gone but NEVER Forgotten. Aloha, A Hui Hou!
User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 22):
Hawaiian has a perfect safety record from its start in 1929 until today....I'm pretty sure it is unrivaled, as Qantas is only 'perfect' in the 'jet-age.'

How about AY?  Smile


User currently offlineAAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

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25 Burnsie28 : Another problem that you run into is the fact of how long all the airlines you talk about have been around, unless you use a certain starting date for
26 Edelag : In the 1980's it was Quantas, I remember from the movie Rain Man. And I believe it still is.
27 JBLUA320 : Sorry, I'm not one to usually point this stuff out, but someone already did and it's still not right. Q A N T A S Q A N T A S Q A N T A S Let's try it
28 FlyMIA : Qantas would be my #1 for the fact they been around a long time, have a large airline and even fly across the Pacific over and over. Than I would go w
29 AerorobNZ : Any way you look it it there's a 50% chance of crashing for every flight, no matter what the airline. 50% you will land, 50% you will crash. There are
30 Post contains images Boeingfanyyz : Umm, isnt El Al supposed to be the safest airline out there? (i.e. checking criminal records, complete strip-search). Cheers, Boeingfanyyz
31 CPH757 : It is obviously very difficult to tell which airline is the safest. There are more than one reason for that. First; you have to look at the time inter
32 JM017 : This claim is simply not true. As SCCUtler said, they have had fatalities in their long history. But not for a LONG time. There are other airlines th
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