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Is EgyptAir Safe?  
User currently offlineRichM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 803 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 19125 times:

I was just wondering what peoples views were regarding EgyptAir. I am not looking to start a flame war, so please try and be mature about it.

Anyway, the question: Is EgyptAir a safe airline? And would you be willing to fly with them? EgyptAir have a history of fatal accidents over a period of many years.

I flew on EgyptAir back in 2004. It was onboard a 737-500 from Larnaca (Cyprus) to Cairo (Egypt). During take-off, the emergency exit handle cover fell off and frightened the passenger sat next to the emergency exit as she was holding it, in fear that the door may open.. (I was sat behind her) Anyway, once we reached about 10000ft, a flight attendant came and fixed the cover back in place. Given the fact that the cover was attached to the handle, any significant force on the cover may have pulled back the door handle, and thus, opened the exit door. (This is taking into account that the aircraft had not reached a sufficient altitude for the door to be jammed by the pressure)

After thinking about that again today, and when taking the number of accidents into account, it makes me wonder; Is EgyptAir a safe airline in your opinion?

Note: I am not trying to bash EgyptAir. I am simply questioning their safety reputation as an airline and asking for feedback from a.net users.

Thanks.  

[Edited 2006-03-21 23:07:36]

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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5723 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 19093 times:

I flew them last year from JFK-CAI on their 777, and it was a pretty good ride, even though I was in the first class. I'd fly them again if I can, and I will this summer on their A340 from CAI-DXB.


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User currently offlineLH492 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 208 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 19040 times:

The answer is simple: YES
If they would be unsafe, they would not be allowed to fly into certain european cities what they do.
I flew them two years ago to Cairo and Sharm El Sheikh and all flights were very nice. There was no indication whatsoever that they might be unsafe, the cabin was in spotless condition, the pilots made a competent impression (and also very smooth landings) and the cabin crew seemed well trained.
In terms of maintenance, while taxiing in Cairo, I saw their maintenance facility and I guess if they would employ incompetent technicians, they would be forced to shut it down, so no worries there.
In my opinion it is a good airline and they made a good impression to me, I would fly them again without hesitation.

cheers,
Philipp



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User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 19022 times:

Quoting RichM (Thread starter):
EgyptAir have a history of fatal accidents over a period of many years.

http://www.aviation-safety.net/database/operator/airline.php?var=6292

Fatal accidents over a LONG period. Only 2 fatal ones within 15 years, one of which was most probably suicide by FO, which you cant blame on the airline.
Their previous record surely wanst the best, but they improved remarkably.
No problems to fly with them I think.



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 19015 times:

Quoting RichM (Thread starter):
I am not looking to start a flame war, so please try and be mature about it.
You don't leave any choice but to begin a flame war,your tread is like asking"is flying safe?".So be mature and think twice before starting your treads and involucrating an airline nominated to be a Star alliance member!
With all my respect
Alex!!!

[Edited 2006-03-22 15:13:25]


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8624 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19005 times:
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Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 4):
You don't leave any choice but to begin a flame war,

you always have the choice as to whether to respond to something you consider flame bait  Wink

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 4):
involucrating an airline nominated to be a Star alliance member!

I know that MS have said they would like to join Star - I have not seen anything that actually confirms that they have been nominated. Also I am not quite sure what you meant by 'involucrating' ?


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Kiwiandrew



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 19000 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 5):
you always have the choice as to whether to respond to something you consider flame bait

I only respond when it's really unfair to not do so.
It's kind of immature to chose one airline from many and title it with unsafe fame just to begin a thread.Egyptair is a worldwide remunerated airline ,they fly a modern fleet and follow international safety regulations
Alex!!!

[Edited 2006-03-22 16:15:07]


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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 18977 times:

Seriously, who cares if some covers fall off? Exit opeinig handles require a lot more than a flying plastic cover.

I've flown on Orient Thai, Wings Air (crashed 4 hours later), Mandala Airlines (crashed 2 weeks later), Lion Airlines, Phuket Air, Air Asia (horrible condition of their 737s, especially Thai Air Asia) etc etc.

If Egypt Air sounds unsafe to you, perhaps it's better to stay on the ground altogether.  Embarrassment



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User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18963 times:

Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
Fatal accidents over a LONG period. Only 2 fatal ones within 15 years, one of which was most probably suicide by FO, which you cant blame on the airline.
Their previous record surely wanst the best, but they improved remarkably.
No problems to fly with them I think.

Let's see:

1 suicide
1 hijaking
1 pilot error
1 unknown

I'll fly with them  Smile

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 7):

I've flown on Orient Thai, Wings Air (crashed 4 hours later), Mandala Airlines (crashed 2 weeks later), Lion Airlines, Phuket Air, Air Asia (horrible condition of their 737s, especially Thai Air Asia) etc etc.

If Egypt Air sounds unsafe to you, perhaps it's better to stay on the ground altogether.

 checkmark  esp. after naming off that list of airlines.



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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2303 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18961 times:

Quoting RichM (Thread starter):
Is EgyptAir a safe airline? And would you be willing to fly with them?

Generally speaking, flying is much safer than most other types of transportation. If you're going to visit Egypt, I'm quite sure that the biggest risk will be in the taxi on Cairo's roads; you're much more likely to end up dead in a taxi or a bus on the streets of Egypt than on the airplane to Egypt, and that's no matter if you fly Egyptair or Lufthansa.

Now, having said that, I'm kind of reluctant to fly with Egyptair after how they treated the incident with the supposed suicide crash. I mean, even if all indications pointed to a suicide, Egyptair refused to entertain even the possibility that a suicide could be the cause of the crash. And that kind of attitude makes me a little bit worried.

But again, even with such an attitude, I believe that the greatest risk is in the taxi from the airport in Cairo.

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 6):
It's kind of immature to chose one airline from many and title it with unsafe fame

I've seen many threads on airliners.net where somebody asks a question about the safety of some airline. Almost every day there is some new thread criticizing Ryanair, and other airlines as well. If you're going to police this forum and criticize everybody asking safety questions about all airlines, good luck to you! You'll have plenty of work to do.



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 18954 times:

Quoting RedChili (Reply 9):
I've seen many threads on airliners.net where somebody asks a question about the safety of some airline. Almost every day there is some new thread criticizing Ryanair, and other airlines as well. If you're going to police this forum and criticize everybody asking safety questions about all airlines, good luck to you! You'll have plenty of work to do.

Well it's not acceptable to criticise airlines safety without any logical prove.I understand critics about service and catering but safety is a very sensible issue.If one day i fly X airline and the emergency exit handle cover felt off ,i wont make a title in the newspapers questioning the safety of that airline ,i must give a serious and dangerous safety irregularities to justify such serious questioning
Hasta la vista
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineRedChili From Norway, joined Jul 2005, 2303 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 18952 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 10):
Well it's not acceptable to criticise airlines safety without any logical prove.

RichM didn't criticize Egyptair; he was asking what opinion other readers have about the airline and quoted one incident where he was an eye witness. I've seen other posts with far more serious safety bashing on airliners.net.

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 10):
i wont make a title in the newspapers questioning the safety of that airline

Neither did RichM. He only brought it up in a forum where people are discussing such issue the whole time.



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 18948 times:

Quoting RedChili (Reply 11):
I've seen other posts with far more serious safety bashing on airliners.net.

So what?Maybe they hade good prove about these airlines

Quoting RedChili (Reply 11):
He only brought it up in a forum where people are discussing such issue the whole time

That's funny,for me A.net has more impact than a newspaper

Quoting RedChili (Reply 11):
RichM didn't criticize Egyptair;



Quoting RichM (Thread starter):
Is EgyptAir Safe?



Quoting RichM (Thread starter):
the emergency exit handle cover fell off and frightened the passenger sat next to the emergency exit as she was holding it, in fear that the door may open..

If all this are not critics and exaggerations,i wont wait for the rest!!!
Hasta la vista
Alex!!!  wave 



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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 18939 times:

Quoting RichM (Thread starter):
Is EgyptAir a safe airline in your opinion?

YES it is. I would fly them anytime.
They are working really hard on updating their fleet. Their latest addition was 5 A330s ?


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 18886 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 13):
YES it is. I would fly them anytime.
They are working really hard on updating their fleet. Their latest addition was 5 A330s ?

Yup....in fact Egyptair is doing very well in terms of fleet modernisation and improving of the service onboard.
Greetings from RIO
Alex!!!  wave 



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18860 times:

The only reason why I'd be nervous flying EgyptAir is because of the pilot who killed himself along with all the pax several years ago...But you can't blame EgyptAir for that I guess....

User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 18856 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 15):
The only reason why I'd be nervous flying EgyptAir is because of the pilot who killed himself along with all the pax

There is no prove for such conclusion unless i am missing some info!!!
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18844 times:

They are Safe to fly, they sometimes have their problems like any other airline.

[Edited 2006-03-26 22:05:21]


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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18837 times:

If you wouldnt fly an airline that has a pilot who commited suicide.... would you fly an airline where the pilot gave control to his kid to ''try'' them. Not sure what airline


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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18834 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 16):
There is no prove for such conclusion unless i am missing some info!!!
Alex!!!

Here is the NTSB report, make of it what you will:

http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2002/aab0201.htm

In my opinion its pretty damn clear that it was suicide, no matter how much anyone tries to cover it up.



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User currently offlineLH492 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 208 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 18819 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 18):
would you fly an airline where the pilot gave control to his kid to ''try'' them. Not sure what airline

I guess you are talking about the Aeroflot A310 which crashed because the captain´s kids were allowed to sit in the cockpit and play around with the controlles. A detailed report can be found here

http://www.airdisaster.com/cgi-bin/v...=03231994®=F-OGQS&airline=Aeroflot



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User currently offlineLordanmol From India, joined May 2005, 441 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 18815 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 18):
control to his kid to ''try'' them. Not sure what airline

Aerofloat A310 from russia to hong kong

Yes Egypt Air is certainly safe

Regards



Hmmmmm....
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 18763 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 19):
Here is the NTSB report, make of it what you will:

A very nice scenario for a tragic movie!
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineFly707 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 18713 times:

Egypt Air is a safe Airline, they have a modern fleet & high trained pilots.

Most of their Boeing 737-500 are sold & due to be out of fleet within the next few months by receiving the new Boeing 737-800.

Good Luck Egypt Air  Smile

Regards.



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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 18692 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 8):
esp. after naming off that list of airlines.

Well, my point was that flying on an OX 747-100 or LNI MD-82 is much safer than walking on the street or taking a taxi in Bangkok or Jakarta respectively.

As an aviation guy it was one of my highlights to fly on that OX 747-100. And some of you guys wonder if MS is safe. Each to his own I guess.



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