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Who Will Order First 747-8 Passenger Version?  
User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8787 times:

Which airline will it be? I pick SQ as they will wont to have a bob each way if the A380 fails to meet expectations. Also SQ has always been weighted with the Singapore obsession of having to be first at everything.

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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8760 times:

The lack of a question mark gave me the impression it finally happened; try that next time. As of which carrier, I have no clue, I think some members in here would like to see BA order some.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8760 times:

With a few exceptions, just about any airline currently operating the JumboJet might order new ones as a replacement. SQ are one possibility, but my guess is that the imminent SQ order will include neither JumboJets nor WhaleJets. I think SQ's VLA order will come later, but that's just a hunch.

User currently offlineAlexchao From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8576 times:

I just had my hopes up that someone ordered the airplane.

I personally hope to see most 747 operators order. Who will be first? I have no idea.


User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8422 times:

Dude, PLEASE try using a question mark next time... It'll save you a whole lot of flaming.

Anyways, that's a really broad qstn and if anybody knew the answer, it would have been posted looong time ago. I hope SQ orders the damn thing though.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8381 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 6):
Dude, PLEASE try using a question mark next time... It'll save you a whole lot of flaming.

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there are one too many threads without the question mark....so misleading..

my guesses......

BA, CX, PK, SQ, QF, LH, JL, NH, UA, AI, 9W...maybe AF, KL, NZ, and some Chinese air carriers..



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User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8326 times:

Everybody stop being precious and take the High Road- and I am not a dude thanks keep that to your boyfriends!

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8312 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 1):
The lack of a question mark gave me the impression it finally happened

Me too. I personally hope LH has ordered them though.


User currently offlineOroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 913 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8286 times:

Wouldnt it just be something else if a Chinese customer ends up being the launch customer? IMO they have to be aiming for the Asian market by calling it the 747-8 (8 being a good luck number). Why would they skip 747-500 (yes, I know 745 was a streach concept), or 747-600, or even 747-5/6?


But I do agree, just as the saying goes, 'It is not what you say, it is how you say it', with text, you need those discriptive marks, leave one out, your sentence goes from a question to a statement (I thought someone ordered the 747-8 Passenger).


User currently offlineIwok From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8212 times:

It will be LH. No doubt in my mind...

iwok


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 8164 times:

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 8):
and I am not a dude thanks keep that to your boyfriends!

Excellent reply.
It might be an acceptable term for some, but the majority is unfamiliar with the term 'Dude'. Personally, I think it sounds rather insulting.

As for your question. Rumours have it that Jet Airways might place an order, and someone else went as far as saying that LH might possibly order 30 (but then again, just about any airline has past the revue on airliner.net of 'looking into the 748'. If I had to, I'd put my money on a small order from Jet, that's if they get in return their rights to fly to the US...



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8039 times:

Quoting Oroka (Reply 10):
IMO they have to be aiming for the Asian market by calling it the 747-8 (8 being a good luck number). Why would they skip 747-500 (yes, I know 745 was a streach concept), or 747-600, or even 747-5/6?

What exactly are you asking? Concepts, wether made public or not, do not get ignored in terms of accounting. For example, my intenet browser is version 6.0.2900.2180. It means the software company went through thousands of versions and iterations before they were satisfied (or that any further improvement would cost too much).

IMO, had Boeing not been over-confident in giving those concepts official titles assuming they would eventually exist, then the "-500 series" and "-600 series" titles would be up for grabs. There was also another attempt at a stretch back in 2000, then called 747X and 747Stretch-X, they would have been part of a "-700 series". While the title was not official, it was publicized. I am sure there are several dozen engineers that have been doing R&D on 747 and the emergence of 7E/87 light a fire. So they came up with 747Adv which became, 8, the next number. It is pure coincidence w.r.t Chinese culture, is all.



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User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8039 times:

Thanks for your informative reply and comment Manni.

User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8014 times:

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 8):
Everybody stop being precious and take the High Road- and I am not a dude thanks keep that to your boyfriends!

Take it easy. No pun intended with the 'dude' but as far as taking the high road, maybe you should do a search next time you start a thread and if you are gonna start one, do not deceive people by the title. A question mark goes a long way in some instances...and not everybody has 'boyfriends' this side of the Pacific.

By the way, welcome to A.net  biggrin 

Quoting Manni (Reply 12):
Excellent reply.
It might be an acceptable term for some, but the majority is unfamiliar with the term 'Dude'.

It's a figure of speech for some so if you don't liek it, too bad.

[quote=Manni,reply=12]Personally, I think it sounds rather insulting.

That's unfortunate for you then


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7991 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 15):
That's unfortunate for you then

No, its unfortunate for those not being able to communicate in an universal way without offending others.

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 15):
It's a figure of speech for some so if you don't liek it, too bad.

As you say, figure of speech for some. Use it in response to those 'some'.

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 14):
Thanks for your informative reply and comment Manni.

My pleasure. Welcome to airliners.net! Enjoy your time on here, great place to kill time.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7968 times:

I cannot beleive that Boeing, with Headquarters in Chicago will not have jumped in a Cab and gone over to Elk Grove (UA's Headquarters) and not tried to offer them a very attractive package to order the 747-8!...Sure UA have just come out of CH11 and they need to improve their bottom line but you cannot sit still in this industry, you need to plan ahead.

User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7952 times:

True! Pan Am really couldn't afford that order for 30 747-100's but Juan Trippe had balls. Boeing really have to get an American carrier on board for this aircraft. Would look great in the new UAL colors.

User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7952 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 16):
No, its unfortunate for those not being able to communicate in an universal way without offending others.

Gee, I wonder why I don't feel unfortunate at all then.  scratchchin 

Quoting Manni (Reply 16):
As you say, figure of speech for some. Use it in response to those 'some'.

Like I said, too bad for you. If you don't like the term, skip through it. It wasn't directed at you so maybe you should mind your own business and that way you won't get offended.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7932 times:

my pic is that NZ will be one of the 1st. I'd say perhaps 5 x 747-8 to replace 5x 744. The other 3x 744 would then be replaced by 773ER.


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User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7916 times:

I hope you are right they would look good at AKL and would be good for the proposed AKL-HKG-LGW route. All they need now is some quality cabin crew.

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7903 times:

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 21):
I hope you are right they would look good at AKL and would be good for the proposed AKL-HKG-LGW route. All they need now is some quality cabin crew.

I think LGW was decided against several months ago. (It would require duplicating London staff, and LGW isn't that great). But yes it would be flying the AKL-LAX-LHR, and AKL-HKG-LHR (if that is the final choice AKL-SFO-LHR is possible with some effort). It may even be a full loop AKL-LAX-LHR-HKG-AKL/AKL-HKG-LHR-LAX-AKL that would be pretty cool! 5 aircraft can cover this, but if one is out for heavy MX it would be very tight so maybe even 6x 747-8!

BTW welcome to a.net



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7894 times:

Potential Boeing 747-8i customers could IMO be

a. Carriers for which the A380 is too large
b. Carriers under state influence asked to "help" improve US trade balance/ relations
c. High volume carriers that will skip the A380-800 and go for the A380-900
d. Carriers that need/ want landing rights in the US badly

So JAL (b), ANA(b), KLM (a) , Cathay(c), British Airways(c), Korean(b), Air China(b,d), Air New Zealand (a), China Airlines (b,d), EVA Air (b), Saudi Arabian (b)


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7894 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 20):
my pic is that NZ will be one of the 1st. I'd say perhaps 5 x 747-8 to replace 5x 744. The other 3x 744 would then be replaced by 773ER.

It makes sense. They could put those 748I on their high capacity routes and fill up that belly with lots of cargo, and the 77W operating some of the other high capacity routes which don't require a 747 to fill up.

Along with that, the 787s they currently have on order would replace the 767s and operate thinner routes, especially NZ to Australia, and the 772 for medium capacity routes.

This would provide NZ with a very balanced widebody fleet.


User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7876 times:

Last two responses are excellent-thanks guys. My first flight ever was on a TAA Viscount and I have also flown on a C141 Starlifter on a demo out of AKL in 1966. Most memorable flight Pan Am DC7C AKL to Pago Pago in 1965 mostly in cockpit. Thanks for your welcomes and I hope my contributions are worthwhile.

User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7861 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 17):
I cannot beleive that Boeing, with Headquarters in Chicago will not have jumped in a Cab and gone over to Elk Grove (UA's Headquarters) and not tried to offer them a very attractive package to order the 747-8!...Sure UA have just come out of CH11 and they need to improve their bottom line but you cannot sit still in this industry, you need to plan ahead.

I still think UA will order the 748 down the road but the only problem with them placing an order now is that they do not have the cash. They will need to replace their beat up 744's competing with the likes of QF, NZ and SQ on the pacific routes. I still don't know how they have managed to stay afloat doing so well on those routes considering their product is inferior to the competitor's.... and their prices are'nt that much better either.

Quoting Iwok (Reply 11):
It will be LH. No doubt in my mind...

Any reason why you're so sure?

I'd still put my $$ on SQ and BA but as far as who'll be the first, maybe NZ.


25 Post contains images MBJ2000 : Please stop debating about 'dude'. There is only one person called "The Dude" It's The Big Lebowski, he's the real dude, you can also call him "His Du
26 NA : Keesje, You forgot those who need the 747-8I to plug the gap between either 773 or A346 and the A380, like Lufthansa. And upcoming airlines no one ha
27 Keesje : 1000 Airbus aircraft are in operation in the US, with a backlog of another 500. IMO 20-30 A380 orders on top of FEDEX and UPS won't make a big differ
28 Nzrich : From a NZ crew member who day in day out provides a quality service . Also considering NZ crew win a lot of awards for service the above quote isnt f
29 Post contains images Zkpilot : I think NZ does provide excellent service in a unique way. A lot of people that say bad things about NZ service quote how NZ has lower numbers of sta
30 Zkpilot : also with the 747-8 NZ would still keep the 34" pitch taking its pax numbers up to say 405-410 while other airlines will have 450-470 on board.
31 Nzrich : Well then considering NZ 744 hold 392 PAX and a proposed 748 would hold only 13-18 more passengers would it be worth it to NZ to maybe order the A380
32 JAL : There's report that JeT Airways is interested in the 747-8
33 Jaysit : Why would they need a replacement for their 744s? People tend to forget that the last generation of airliners (744s, 777s, A330/340 family) were buil
34 UAL777UK : Well they do and thats with an inferior product, so when they do upgrade their International fleet, things can only get better one assumes.
35 DAYflyer : My guess is LH since they have apparently been clamoring for the plane for some time now.
36 Post contains links Jacobin777 : correct, 9W are in talks to purchase the 747-8 fair use excerpt: "Jet Airways buying Boeing fuel efficient 450-seater 747-8 airplanes Media Release M
37 Timboflier215 : lol, considering the amount of time it took to finalise their last order, i reckon that could be one heck on an understatement!!
38 Jacobin777 : I completely agree...the possible AI-IC merger will probably go first.....
39 Timboflier215 : hadn't heard about that. is it just a rumour or are there concrete plans??
40 SunriseValley : NZ has to have some 747 leases running out around 2010. No doubt they could renew for another 5-years for peanuts, as they did on, was it -SUJ, that w
41 Pulkovokiwi : Air NZ will never be a five star airline on Skytrax. Their flight attendants are way too self serving. Nice aircraft pity about the crew!
42 Ken777 : My bet is on SQ for the first delivery - simply because they like to be first and have for years. And, with the price of fuel increasing, they may dec
43 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : 'ere you go... "Air India, Indian Airlines may merge SINGAPORE (AP) — State owned carriers Air India and Indian Airlines may be merged after their
44 Blast : It would be my guess that KLM will not be one of the first airlines to fly the 748, as they seem to have a policy of hardly ever been launch customer
45 Glom : This is the eleven thousand and third thread to talk about potential 748 customers. It only serves to remind us that no-one is ordering the damn thing
46 Post contains images Nitrohelper : I hope for SQ, then I could go back to Singapore for a visit and ride the "First to Fly" 748 as a bonus! A dream pick would be NW ,yea I know,it's a d
47 Jacobin777 : don't be daft.....more of the planes specs are out now and there are more signs (reports) that certain carriers are looking hard at it.....don't be s
48 Wdleiser : I agree with you 100%. An order like this would give UA press along with Boeing tremendous press while raising my Boeing stock to new highs and makin
49 Zvezda : It would be surprising if it didn't. Even the B747-400 might outsell the WhaleJet again this year.
50 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Again? I don't think your dream is far fetched. I think they probably will order it but the question is when. I've never flown NZ but I've heard diff
51 Post contains images USAF336TFS :
52 Singapore_Air : From what preliminary analysis there is of this aircraft, if Singapore Airlines had any sense, they would order it first. Unfortunately what's coming
53 United Airline : All current B 747-400 operators have the chance to place huge orders for the B 747-8
54 Mlsrar : Considering two of the larger operators of the type are in no financial position to purchase anything of that magnitude, I highly doubt you can inclu
55 Post contains links NYC777 : Jet Airways, it sounds like, is very close to making a deal for the 748 and include some 787s to boot. http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/7540.asp
56 Post contains images Jacobin777 : that would be sending a scary message yep..
57 Airbazar : SQ is no longer the "must have the latest toy" airline that it once was (see 787). I don't think they will be the launch customer for the 748 if they
58 Desiguy2447 : Jet Airways is interested in the 747-8 passenger version since the A380 is too big of an aircraft for Jet Airways.. So it is possible that Jet Airways
59 PlaneHunter : Only if pax B744s "outsell" the A380... PH
60 Weetodded01 : I've always had great service on ANZ, but it could be horrible and still wouldn't care because I would be flying to NZ!!!!
61 TinkerBelle : Well, no one agrees with your views more than I do but I think I'll disagree this time. Comparing the 748 cargo version and the A380 pax version is c
62 Post contains images Jacobin777 : pipped ya' to the post.... " target=_blank>http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/...0.asp ok...I can agree to that... I'll cut ya' some slack on this o
63 Mariner : Gosh, yet another thread somehow turns anti-A380. Unbelievable. mariner
64 Jacobin777 : stating that one particular plane will outsell another isn't being "anti" in any way/shape/form...
65 Mariner : Given that one aircraft in question - the subject of the thread - has not yet sold one single pax version, I do not know how else to describe it. Nor
66 Jacobin777 : when was the last time an A.net thread hasn't gone off on a tangent? not to mention, though the 747-8 and A380 are different in size class, they do c
67 Mariner : Then why are you discussing it in this thread, when there is a clear need to be discussing the business case for the 748 - in a thread about the 748.
68 Post contains images Johnny : Hmmm, i think LH as well !!! But not 30.Probably 20 plus 10 Freighters... But why not EK ? They are looking at all airplanes around the world which ha
69 Marcus380 : Let us see the first order... So far none maybe no order....!!! All for the a380 cool.... and boieng drops the 748 bye
70 Tigerotor77W : I'm not attacking the 748I here, but at the moment, I'm still tempted to think of it as a warmed-over 744... if we Boeing cheerleaders still want to f
71 Jacobin777 : not that I need to defend myself, however, my first comment was consistent with the thread (reply 36) and not to mention, there were previous A380 co
72 Post contains images TinkerBelle : Nobody ever said it wasn't. It'll sell. Once Boeing gets a launch customer (which should be soon), it'll sell at least 60 frames this year....that's
73 Tigerotor77W : If it's a niche aircraft, you could argue that it got that way because neither Boeing nor Airbus has a line in place that can cover the entire range
74 Mariner : No, you do not need to defend yourself, and by saying that I think you misinterpreted my meaning. As I have some respect for your opinions on other m
75 ER757 : Have to agree with you here - when was the last order for a pax version of the 744? Can anyone even remember? Seems like the market for the pax versi
76 Zvezda : Most of the development costs are amortized over both the passenger and freighter versions. I don't think that's bold at all. It would be bolder to p
77 Post contains images Jacobin777 : according to Boeing and General Electric...they believe that approximately 300 frames will be sold in the next couple of decades... the 747-8 will be
78 Manni : Well Yankee (since you dont seem to mind offensive terms, I figured it's OK to use Yankee when replying to you). If we all should mind our own busine
79 PlaneHunter : I didn't question that...my point was another one. PH
80 Post contains images Lehpron : I suppose one can look at how a carrier expands. If the expansion trend is positive but decreasing then 748 would be best, but if the trend is positiv
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