Pulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8728 times:
Which airline will it be? I pick SQ as they will wont to have a bob each way if the A380 fails to meet expectations. Also SQ has always been weighted with the Singapore obsession of having to be first at everything.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8701 times:
With a few exceptions, just about any airline currently operating the JumboJet might order new ones as a replacement. SQ are one possibility, but my guess is that the imminent SQ order will include neither JumboJets nor WhaleJets. I think SQ's VLA order will come later, but that's just a hunch.
Oroka From Canada, joined Dec 2006, 911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8227 times:
Wouldnt it just be something else if a Chinese customer ends up being the launch customer? IMO they have to be aiming for the Asian market by calling it the 747-8 (8 being a good luck number). Why would they skip 747-500 (yes, I know 745 was a streach concept), or 747-600, or even 747-5/6?
But I do agree, just as the saying goes, 'It is not what you say, it is how you say it', with text, you need those discriptive marks, leave one out, your sentence goes from a question to a statement (I thought someone ordered the 747-8 Passenger).
It might be an acceptable term for some, but the majority is unfamiliar with the term 'Dude'. Personally, I think it sounds rather insulting.
As for your question. Rumours have it that Jet Airways might place an order, and someone else went as far as saying that LH might possibly order 30 (but then again, just about any airline has past the revue on airliner.net of 'looking into the 748'. If I had to, I'd put my money on a small order from Jet, that's if they get in return their rights to fly to the US...
Lehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7980 times:
Quoting Oroka (Reply 10): IMO they have to be aiming for the Asian market by calling it the 747-8 (8 being a good luck number). Why would they skip 747-500 (yes, I know 745 was a streach concept), or 747-600, or even 747-5/6?
What exactly are you asking? Concepts, wether made public or not, do not get ignored in terms of accounting. For example, my intenet browser is version 6.0.2900.2180. It means the software company went through thousands of versions and iterations before they were satisfied (or that any further improvement would cost too much).
IMO, had Boeing not been over-confident in giving those concepts official titles assuming they would eventually exist, then the "-500 series" and "-600 series" titles would be up for grabs. There was also another attempt at a stretch back in 2000, then called 747X and 747Stretch-X, they would have been part of a "-700 series". While the title was not official, it was publicized. I am sure there are several dozen engineers that have been doing R&D on 747 and the emergence of 7E/87 light a fire. So they came up with 747Adv which became, 8, the next number. It is pure coincidence w.r.t Chinese culture, is all.
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TinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7955 times:
Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 8): Everybody stop being precious and take the High Road- and I am not a dude thanks keep that to your boyfriends!
Take it easy. No pun intended with the 'dude' but as far as taking the high road, maybe you should do a search next time you start a thread and if you are gonna start one, do not deceive people by the title. A question mark goes a long way in some instances...and not everybody has 'boyfriends' this side of the Pacific.
By the way, welcome to A.net
Quoting Manni (Reply 12): Excellent reply.
It might be an acceptable term for some, but the majority is unfamiliar with the term 'Dude'.
It's a figure of speech for some so if you don't liek it, too bad.
[quote=Manni,reply=12]Personally, I think it sounds rather insulting.
UAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7909 times:
I cannot beleive that Boeing, with Headquarters in Chicago will not have jumped in a Cab and gone over to Elk Grove (UA's Headquarters) and not tried to offer them a very attractive package to order the 747-8!...Sure UA have just come out of CH11 and they need to improve their bottom line but you cannot sit still in this industry, you need to plan ahead.
Pulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7893 times:
True! Pan Am really couldn't afford that order for 30 747-100's but Juan Trippe had balls. Boeing really have to get an American carrier on board for this aircraft. Would look great in the new UAL colors.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4801 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7844 times:
Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 21): I hope you are right they would look good at AKL and would be good for the proposed AKL-HKG-LGW route. All they need now is some quality cabin crew.
I think LGW was decided against several months ago. (It would require duplicating London staff, and LGW isn't that great). But yes it would be flying the AKL-LAX-LHR, and AKL-HKG-LHR (if that is the final choice AKL-SFO-LHR is possible with some effort). It may even be a full loop AKL-LAX-LHR-HKG-AKL/AKL-HKG-LHR-LAX-AKL that would be pretty cool! 5 aircraft can cover this, but if one is out for heavy MX it would be very tight so maybe even 6x 747-8!
Keesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7835 times:
Potential Boeing 747-8i customers could IMO be
a. Carriers for which the A380 is too large
b. Carriers under state influence asked to "help" improve US trade balance/ relations
c. High volume carriers that will skip the A380-800 and go for the A380-900
d. Carriers that need/ want landing rights in the US badly
So JAL (b), ANA(b), KLM (a) , Cathay(c), British Airways(c), Korean(b), Air China(b,d), Air New Zealand (a), China Airlines (b,d), EVA Air (b), Saudi Arabian (b)
LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7835 times:
Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 20): my pic is that NZ will be one of the 1st. I'd say perhaps 5 x 747-8 to replace 5x 744. The other 3x 744 would then be replaced by 773ER.
It makes sense. They could put those 748I on their high capacity routes and fill up that belly with lots of cargo, and the 77W operating some of the other high capacity routes which don't require a 747 to fill up.
Along with that, the 787s they currently have on order would replace the 767s and operate thinner routes, especially NZ to Australia, and the 772 for medium capacity routes.
This would provide NZ with a very balanced widebody fleet.
Pulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7817 times:
Last two responses are excellent-thanks guys. My first flight ever was on a TAA Viscount and I have also flown on a C141 Starlifter on a demo out of AKL in 1966. Most memorable flight Pan Am DC7C AKL to Pago Pago in 1965 mostly in cockpit. Thanks for your welcomes and I hope my contributions are worthwhile.
TinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 7802 times:
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 17): I cannot beleive that Boeing, with Headquarters in Chicago will not have jumped in a Cab and gone over to Elk Grove (UA's Headquarters) and not tried to offer them a very attractive package to order the 747-8!...Sure UA have just come out of CH11 and they need to improve their bottom line but you cannot sit still in this industry, you need to plan ahead.
I still think UA will order the 748 down the road but the only problem with them placing an order now is that they do not have the cash. They will need to replace their beat up 744's competing with the likes of QF, NZ and SQ on the pacific routes. I still don't know how they have managed to stay afloat doing so well on those routes considering their product is inferior to the competitor's.... and their prices are'nt that much better either.
Quoting Iwok (Reply 11): It will be LH. No doubt in my mind...
Any reason why you're so sure?
I'd still put my $$ on SQ and BA but as far as who'll be the first, maybe NZ.
: Please stop debating about 'dude'. There is only one person called "The Dude" It's The Big Lebowski, he's the real dude, you can also call him "His Du
: Keesje, You forgot those who need the 747-8I to plug the gap between either 773 or A346 and the A380, like Lufthansa. And upcoming airlines no one ha
: 1000 Airbus aircraft are in operation in the US, with a backlog of another 500. IMO 20-30 A380 orders on top of FEDEX and UPS won't make a big differ
: From a NZ crew member who day in day out provides a quality service . Also considering NZ crew win a lot of awards for service the above quote isnt f
: I think NZ does provide excellent service in a unique way. A lot of people that say bad things about NZ service quote how NZ has lower numbers of sta
: also with the 747-8 NZ would still keep the 34" pitch taking its pax numbers up to say 405-410 while other airlines will have 450-470 on board.
: Well then considering NZ 744 hold 392 PAX and a proposed 748 would hold only 13-18 more passengers would it be worth it to NZ to maybe order the A380
: There's report that JeT Airways is interested in the 747-8
: Why would they need a replacement for their 744s? People tend to forget that the last generation of airliners (744s, 777s, A330/340 family) were buil
: Well they do and thats with an inferior product, so when they do upgrade their International fleet, things can only get better one assumes.
: My guess is LH since they have apparently been clamoring for the plane for some time now.
: correct, 9W are in talks to purchase the 747-8 fair use excerpt: "Jet Airways buying Boeing fuel efficient 450-seater 747-8 airplanes Media Release M
: lol, considering the amount of time it took to finalise their last order, i reckon that could be one heck on an understatement!!
: I completely agree...the possible AI-IC merger will probably go first.....
: hadn't heard about that. is it just a rumour or are there concrete plans??
: NZ has to have some 747 leases running out around 2010. No doubt they could renew for another 5-years for peanuts, as they did on, was it -SUJ, that w
: Air NZ will never be a five star airline on Skytrax. Their flight attendants are way too self serving. Nice aircraft pity about the crew!
: My bet is on SQ for the first delivery - simply because they like to be first and have for years. And, with the price of fuel increasing, they may dec
: 'ere you go... "Air India, Indian Airlines may merge SINGAPORE (AP) — State owned carriers Air India and Indian Airlines may be merged after their
: It would be my guess that KLM will not be one of the first airlines to fly the 748, as they seem to have a policy of hardly ever been launch customer
: This is the eleven thousand and third thread to talk about potential 748 customers. It only serves to remind us that no-one is ordering the damn thing
: I hope for SQ, then I could go back to Singapore for a visit and ride the "First to Fly" 748 as a bonus! A dream pick would be NW ,yea I know,it's a d
: don't be daft.....more of the planes specs are out now and there are more signs (reports) that certain carriers are looking hard at it.....don't be s
: I agree with you 100%. An order like this would give UA press along with Boeing tremendous press while raising my Boeing stock to new highs and makin
: It would be surprising if it didn't. Even the B747-400 might outsell the WhaleJet again this year.
: Again? I don't think your dream is far fetched. I think they probably will order it but the question is when. I've never flown NZ but I've heard diff