FlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3412 times:
I've only been on DC-10s with American & Western. Never been on an Tristar in my life, which is a pity because I've always appreciated her fine lines. So I guess I'm partial to the DC-10 then. Regards.
"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
AirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3409 times:
From a passenger seat comfort point of view I don't really even know how to compare them. IIRC they were both configured 9 abreast in economy so any difference in comfort would be down to the airline, not the manufacturer.
However I understand that the placement of the L1011's number 2 engine at the back of the fuselage created some noise and vibration problems in the early L1011s, which I believe led to the installation of the frisbee fairings.
I'd personally rather fly on an L1011 any day. DC-10's had their share of mechanical problems back in the day and the engineering on the L1011 is just too cool.
ZKEOJ From New Zealand, joined Feb 2005, 1083 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3381 times:
That's a tough one! Both are beautiful birds, and I love them! I have been on both types (DC10 with LH, DE, NW, UA, and L1011 with AC and TS). Can't really think of a difference in comfort. I suppose it mostly depends on airlines, i.e. seat pitch, what kind of seats, etc. I'd prefer the L1011 at the moment, but only for teh reason that I had more flights on the DC10, and the L1011 is a bit more rare now...
Funnily, never been on the MD11
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3355 times:
Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 3): From a passenger seat comfort point ofrnview I don't really even know how to compare them. IIRC they were bothrnconfigured 9 abreast in economy so any difference in comfort would berndown to the airline, not the manufacturer.
For the most part when the DC-10 and L-1011 started service they were eight across seating. (UA, AA, DL, TW) . Some of the airlines like Laker and World had ten across seating. The nine across seating didn't become the norm until the mid 80's.
Now back to the question, the PA L-1011 was my all time favorite, with the DL L-1011 right behind (eight across seating). When they became nine across both just became another uncomfortable plane.
Kevinl1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3297 times:
No comparison. Ever seen a 1011 drop an engine? Loose ALL hydraulic control? Have a cargo door blow off and collapse the deck? The 1011 has more secondary back up systems and can anyone cite an incident where the design of the 1011 itself was to blame?
10's are noisy. They sound like a wood chipper taking off. The cabin flex's so much on take off that it's not unusual for overheads to pop open. I've seen mid-ship bulkheads bang against the walls on T.O. And why do they always seem to fly uphill?
Mechanics have called them "Death's a Comin" and DC-10 Deathliner. That should be a clue.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3280 times:
Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 2): I've only been on DC-10s with American & Western. Never been on an Tristar in my life, which is a pity because I've always appreciated her fine lines. So I guess I'm partial to the DC-10 then. Regards.
Tom! Good to see you!
The Tristar by far is my choice! I flew it often because my dad worked for EAL and it was quiet, comfortable and so nice! I sat in my car near one of TW Tristars at IGM this past winter for hours, sad to see it in that shape but still a great bird.
Pualani From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3224 times:
Having worked on both aircraft as cabin crew, I can honestly say that I prefer the DC10 over the L1011 any day. The over head bins on the L10 were atrocius and dangerous in design. The lav set up (we got our ac from ANA) was bad too with 5 lavs in the back and none up in the mid cabin. So the line up to use the LOO after the meal service was sometimes 20 deep. When we recieved the DC10s from AA...it was a step up at least from a flight attendant perspective. Our regular passengers seem to like the change also.
NEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3201 times:
I flew a DC10 (Airtours) from Manchester to Orlando, (Northwest) DC10 from M/St.Pauls to LA and L1011 (Eastern) from JFK to Orlando. It's definately L1011 for me and technology wise it was a winner too.
Heathrow From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3198 times:
ive flown the L1011 with TS and TW and the DC10 with NW. I personally like the L1011 way better. I think it was a better layout, more quiet (Not that it was), and its waaaay sexier. I also think the elevator in the L1011 is cool.
Deputydawghere From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3102 times:
Quoting Kevinl1011 (Reply 10): No comparison. Ever seen a 1011 drop an engine? Loose ALL hydraulic control? Have a cargo door blow off and collapse the deck? The 1011 has more secondary back up systems and can anyone cite an incident where the design of the 1011 itself was to blame?
Definitely agree with you. My experience on Delta and TWA Tristars beats any DC-10 I ever flew on. I was on a TWA Tristar with a feathered engine and an unexpected landing in Kansas City, which I know can be pretty common, but she handled like a dream. Wouldn't have even noticed anything if the Captain hadn't made an announcement. Sorry to see the old girl out of the aviation picture.
TLG From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 386 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3101 times:
I've been on a couple DL L-1011s and many NW DC-10s, and to me the difference has more to do with the airline, and even the route, than the plane manufacturer. The interiors are similar, as I recall. The Delta flights were quite a while ago and I don't remember much of the details.
Quoting Hirnie (Reply 15): Regarding the elevator: Condor had those as well on their DC10s. Funny idea.
I can only guess what you are referring to as an elevator are the galley lifts? All the long bodied L-1011's were built with the galley below the main cabin floor. This feature was an option on the DC-10. The lifts were the only access to the galley when the aircraft was in flight. Having the galley off the main cabin floor freed up space for additional seats and allow the galley attendants to do their work without being interrupted by the passengers.
AIRCANL1011 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3001 times:
I have flown on both the L1011 and the DC10. My first flight was on an AC L1011. Since than I have always loved the L1011's and they are definitely my favorite by far.
I have to be honest though, I have no reason not to like to DC10 as the 2 flights I had were fantastic. Both times the flights were with Wardair, who's in flight service was always a step above most airlines. With that said I still love the L1011.
CYMRU AM BYTH / WALES FOREVER
: I've flown both, the DC-10-30 for the last time in 1996 and my one and only flight on a Tristar was on new year's day 2004 on a TS -150 model (C-FTNG)
: Unfortunately never been on a Tri-Star, always wanted to though. Been on a DC-10 in 1998 when I was 8 so I dont remember an awful lot as I wasnt into