Molykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1343 posts, RR: 15 Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5412 times:
In recent years it seems that most major carriers have rushed to install (or plan to install) lie flat seats in J cabins. Having flown in lie flat F/J seats and cradle J seats I have to ask...
Am I the only one who prefers to fly (and even sleep) in a cradle position? This is somewhat of a non-issue as a lie flat seat could simply be set to the cradle position, but how many of you can't get comfortable in a 180-deg horizontal seat?
I'm 5'11" with a fairly broad build. I am perhaps 10lb overweight but certainly not more than this. I don't know if physiology has anything to do with my preference.
Zkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4942 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5412 times:
The main issue people find with seats that aren't lieflat is that they tend to slide down them during sleep.
NZ and VS have herring bone shaped lieflat beds... these allow you to lie completely flat but to lay on your side if you prefer in a more comfortable position the way the majority of people actually sleep.
AFC_Ajax00 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5412 times:
I've been able to sleep without a problem in AF's new J seat which is lie-flat along with CX's J product. Both however, are inferior to BA's CW seat in my opinion but that's neither here nor there in this thread! With regards to cradle seats, both KLM's (old) WBC, AF's old J class seat and AA's current J offering were decently comfortable but I definately prefer the lie-flat setup.
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Carduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5412 times:
Give me the Cradle Seat any day.
The current Club configuration, especially on a BA777 is an absolute mess.
The designer must have been a mad professor and an offspring of Dr Frankenstein.
Apart from the sardine style layout, the actual seats appear to have been designed by some mad engineer's apprentice, with little bits stuck on to the mainframe of the seat.
The table is the most unstable device I've ever experienced, and in over 6 flights, it has slipped out of the narrow slot meaning yet another glass of Champagne on my knees and the floor!
You cannot lay down, let alone sleep on your back, within the confines of the arms of the seat (19½" wide) neither can you actually roll over from one side to another without raising yourself into the sitting position and then turning over. Hardly a good night's rest!
The seats are an absolute mess, designed to squeeze in the maximum amount of passengers with eight abreast in Club World! An absolute Disgrace!
Thankfully on my last flight I was upgraded to First - an absolute blessing! I didn't even use the excellent flat bed as the meal and particularly the wine was absolutely tremendous! My 8 hour flight flashed by as I enjoyed the Chassagne Montrachet 2001, and the most delicious Pichon-Longville Grand Cru '97, with a Warre's Vintage Port to close. I didn't want to get off in London. Some A-netters wax lyrical on whether there are PTVs on board - who needs them?
Hopefully, the new Club World will be an improvement - it can only get better, but I doubt it, and we'll probably still have to put up with the sardine layout, not forgetting the 15K seat (and others!) on a BA777 which has no window. This with the massive dividng fan drawn on the other side is a ghastly claustrophobic experience that I have no wish to repeat.
To summarise, I actually downgraded myself to the excellent, and under-rated World Traveller Plus on one trip because I was seated next to a screaming infant in the last row of Club - row 15 again! UGH!
Believe me, if you're looking for a reasonal ride, take the superior World Traveller Plus!
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RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 10277 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5412 times:
I tend to sleep well on planes and really like the lie flat seats. I flew EWR-SIN and SIN-EWR and got 8-10 hours of solid non interrupted sleep on both legs in the Raffles Class Spacebed. I found that I didn't slide off at all. However I did make sure to wear jeans with a snug fit. I noticed that the people in really loose clothing looked like they went sliding. I felt perfectly well rested after that 18 hour flight. And I have flown in lie flat seats to Europe before and appreciate them a lot on those shorter flights. When you only have about 5 hours to sleep at all on a transatlantic crossing, you want the best sleep that you can get in the most comfort possible.
I always will prefer a fully flat first class seat, but I have no problem with the lie flat seats. I am 5'11'' and 150lbs, so I fit into those seats pretty well. I have found that in lie flat seats I can sleep on my side which is what I normally do. You can't do that in a cradle seat since your spine doesn't bend that way. I always prefer a lie flat seat and hope all airlines switch towards them. And for those that like the arm chair style of a cradle seat, you can always configure your lie flat seat that way. They are very adjustable to anyone's tastes. As much as I like fully flat seats, I think they belong in first class only because I don't want to see the price of business class seats go any higher.
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DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5252 times:
Quoting Molykote (Thread starter): Am I the only one who prefers to fly (and even sleep) in a cradle position?
Nope, count me in as well.
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5): I flew EWR-SIN and SIN-EWR and got 8-10 hours of solid non interrupted sleep on both legs in the Raffles Class Spacebed. I found that I didn't slide off at all. However I did make sure to wear jeans with a snug fit.
You're dead on with the jeans or some sort of other non-slippery material. I did really like the Raffles seat on that flight though I didn't completely make it flat.
Quoting Soups (Reply 6): VS upper class flat beds arent comfortable. the bed is hard as a rock
I much prefer the old Reacaro seats left in some of the 343s versus the new UC Suites. The Suite was great for getting work done but I had one of the worst night's sleep EVER (not just on a plane) while flying them twice. The good food and saucy VS minx (wat is the plural of Minx?) made up for the seat though.
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