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Isn't Lufthansa In Need Of A New Livery?  
User currently offlineLufthansi From Germany, joined May 2002, 454 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14986 times:

Seeing more and more famous airlines changing their colors these days I wonder why Lufthansa isn't doing anything. Looking at Thai, Maersk/Sterling, Quatar, PIA, JAL, Condor and many many more Lufthansa's livery starts looking old and boring. I know that this is the way LH wants to show it's STEADY profession of service and professionally but they can go on with this if they just change their livery slightly. Changes have been made in the passenger cabin as well as in the airport lounges. The colors are still representative enough. Maybe it's an idea to try the beloved "Wellblech-design" (skin layout copied of the Junkers Ju 52-3m) on one of their jets. I don't mean to replace the airframe but to try out some different shades of silver on it. Airbrush design could make it look like having rills as the Ju 52 has. The football noses and WM2006 logos are nice improvements and welcome to most of us. But they show that since many years no changes have been made. Designing lounges, cabins and even hangars in that special design, maybe another paint would make it look complete. What do you think? many StarAlliance partners changed their look in th recent years.


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14984 times:

There's no real need to change a livery just for change sake. Qantas have had their livery for 21 years now and no-one seems to ask for it to change. If a livery is timeless enough, there is no need to change it. AA is another airline that springs to mind.


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User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14978 times:

I too believe that Lufthansa do not need to change their livery. Although I don't like it, and I think it is boring- it is timeless and tus there is no need to change.

Also, the current livery is simple and professional which highlights those qualities in the airline itself.


User currently offlineLufthansi From Germany, joined May 2002, 454 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14955 times:

AA is realy amazing! There aren't many airlines with those blank polished jets. Air Canada tried it but didn't realize it to the whole fleet. JAL Cargo has nice freighters though.

Sure the livery is somehow timeless. But from time to time they made small improvements. Just have a look at the bird on the tail. It has become thicker.

They never ever should change their colors!!! I was so sad looking at the new Condor livery! Where is this sunny yellow? That made everyone thinking of holidays. The blue should remind of blue sea and blue sky. Nice thought. But that classic and unique color is not replaceable...



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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14954 times:

I think they should go to a livery like this again! With a bit more colour on the fuselage - but then again, having just a white fuselage is cheaper!


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14918 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 4):
I think they should go to a livery like this again! With a bit more colour on the fuselage - but then again, having just a white fuselage is cheaper!

Actually, there isn't a huge difference in the variety of paint on that fuselage and what they have right now. It is just different execution. I for one think that the current LH scheme is really the best "Euro White" scheme in that they excecuted it in just the right way and used both color and naming to flesh out the scheme.



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User currently offlineFlyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14907 times:

One of the things that I think the great world airlines have is a timeless look. Lufthansa definitely qualifies as one of the greats. While their livery is not one that jumps out at you it is a wonderfully classy design that never gets confused with someone else. I personally think they should leave it alone. Change for change sake is not needed.

Mike


User currently offlineLufthansi From Germany, joined May 2002, 454 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14889 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 4):
With a bit more colour on the fuselage - but then again, having just a white fuselage is cheaper!

Is it really cheaper??? Look at Air France. Their jets look like they don't want to pay for the cleaning. Germanwings has a good color to hide dirt.

Anyway. somehow it makes me a bit proud that the LH livery is beloved all over the world.



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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14834 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 5):
Actually, there isn't a huge difference in the variety of paint on that fuselage and what they have right now



Quoting Lufthansi (Reply 7):
Is it really cheaper??? Look at Air France. Their jets look like they don't want to pay for the cleaning. Germanwings has a good color to hide dirt.

If you just have one or two colours on your aircraft, it will bring down the painting times due to lower complexity. Not having to mask off complex shapes (curves etc) and paint them at different times. And time is money!


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You can get around this by using decals (see most tails).
For instance easyJet's livery is cheap because they have got white and the orange parts are pre-painted after manufacturing.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14827 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 8):
If you just have one or two colours on your aircraft, it will bring down the painting times due to lower complexity. Not having to mask off complex shapes (curves etc) and paint them at different times. And time is money!

Yes, I know this, but Lufthansa's scheme actually has some subtlties that aren't as simple as at first glance.



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User currently offlineA319XFW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14805 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 9):
Yes, I know this, but Lufthansa's scheme actually has some subtlties that aren't as simple as at first glance.

There is actually a great programme done by the "Sendung mit der Maus" which follows an LH A321 through from first metal to delivery (including paint shop). It might be a kids TV programme but is very well done. I believe this aircraft has still got the "Maus" on it.


User currently offlineA3xx900 From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14739 times:

No. Simple answer  Wink
It maybe somewhat old, but the simple livery (which is not so simple on second glance as N1120A already said) is still classy and modern. Lufthansa is the precursor in terms of 'eurowhite'.  Smile



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User currently offlineJorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3149 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14582 times:

Quoting Lufthansi (Thread starter):
The football noses and WM2006 logos are nice improvements and welcome to most of us

But we are not the ones who pay LH's bills over the year....

Second the general answer you got here...leave it as it is.

Rumors said that the A-380 at the ILA Berlin will wear the new LH colors....probably we only have to wait two weeks. I personally doubt that.

Georg


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14580 times:

Why? I think LH has the classiest livery of any European carrier. The only liveries to me that are classier are AA, DL, UA, and TW's last scheme.


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User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1992 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14351 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 1):
Qantas have had their livery for 21 years now and no-one seems to ask for it to change.

Well, Qantas has re-designed a little bit of the current livery. You can see new fonts in "The spirit of Australia" and "Longreach". Also, Qantas aircraft have large Qantas logos on their engines.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5013 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 14311 times:

Ever heard the saying "aint broken dont bother fixing it'! I personally love the Lufthansa livery,its modern,clean lines & shows the professionallism of the carrier....Its unique!

"Aint broken so don't fix it"!

EK413  Wink



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User currently offlineAifos From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 14271 times:

More than a change of livery they need to spend money on PTVs in Y.
Their Economy Class is probably the WORST existing one for long haul flights.
Following many complaints, my company has stopped selling Y seats on LH. As simple as that. Even with a free ticket, I wouldn't seat in a 340 or 747 for 11 hours from the West Coast to Europe in LH Y!!!! Did it once and these screens remimded me of my first ever Pan Am flight when I was a kid...(not even talking about the seat comfort, that's another story)



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User currently offlineLredlefsen From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14074 times:

Just don't make the mistake BA made in the early to mid 90's, when the tail of each of their jets looked different! It was impossible to identify a BA plane with a simple glance -- each one was unique...

I personally liked the design they had before that (ie the design from the 1980's), and I guess the current one is OK, too... but that intermediate "design" was awful.


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1940 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13605 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 4):
I think they should go to a livery like this again! With a bit more colour on the fuselage - but then again, having just a white fuselage is cheaper!

Too many airlines think inside the CHEAP BOX.. I say yes...They should go back to the old colours.....Screw this All White business....It just plain sucks!!!!!!!

Access-Air



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User currently offlineSimong From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13578 times:

Personally I think that the BA World Tails were amazing !!!
It wasn't difficult to see that it was BA ...... it was only the tails that were different. It was a brilliant marketing idea that got trashed thanks to Sir RB sticking his nose into other peoples biz as usual !



BA all the way !!!
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8466 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13562 times:

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 14):
You can see new fonts in "The spirit of Australia" and "Longreach". Also, Qantas aircraft have large Qantas logos on their engines.

Didn't they used to say "The Australian Airline" and then changed to "The Spirit of Australia"?


User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13515 times:

Quoting Aifos (Reply 16):
More than a change of livery they need to spend money on PTVs in Y.
Their Economy Class is probably the WORST existing one for long haul flights.

 bigthumbsup 
If LH added the PTV's they'd be my favorite airline, hard seats and all. No need to change the livery, it's classic, just add the bloody PTV's in Y!


User currently offlineOwlEye From Netherlands, joined Feb 2006, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13490 times:

Quoting Lufthansi (Thread starter):
Isn't Lufthansa In Need Of A New Livery?

No. What good is, is good. However a light change or improvement doesn't harm any airline.

Regards,
OwlEye

http://www.liladesign.com


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13470 times:

Quoting A319XFW (Reply 10):
There is actually a great programme done by the "Sendung mit der Maus" which follows an LH A321 through from first metal to delivery (including paint shop). It might be a kids TV programme but is very well done. I believe this aircraft has still got the "Maus" on it.

That was D-AIRY, aka "Flensburg". Judging from the most recent pictures in the database, it does still have the "Maus"-Stickers.

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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 20):
Didn't they used to say "The Australian Airline" and then changed to "The Spirit of Australia"?

I believe they did. There might still be a few aircraft which still have "The Australian Airline" titles left, I only know of Partnership (VH-OGN) still having them.

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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9746 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 13347 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 23):

That was D-AIRY, aka "Flensburg". Judging from the most recent pictures in the database, it does still have the "Maus"-Stickers.

yes, I was on D-AIRY this week.

There was an exhibition about the LH design last year at a Museum in Frankfurt and I had the luck to get the guided tour conducted by the Museum Curator who is also a design professor. The exhibition covered the 50 years history of LH and showed the evolution of the design over the 50 years.

It is not only the aircraft livery, it is everything from the font of the letters, which is a trade marked and used only by LH, the stationary, the design of the cutlery, uniforms lounge furniture etc . The whole corporate identity is a well designed unit and the aircraft livery is only the most visible part of it. Changing this would mean going throughout the whole aviation concern, which would cost a hell of a lot of money and which would be quite contrary to the main task the company has today and that is: saving a 10 digit amount every year.

The LH design is not only classic, it is also aesthetic. There may be some tiny changes from time to time but we will not see a whole different scheme. It has been tried with yellow birds some 15 years ago or so and it looked awful. Rebranding Condor was a disaster and I would not be surprised to see the old livery back on those planes but redesigning Lufthansa? No, there is simply no need for that.



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25 Gunsontheroof : If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
26 ACDC8 : I find the LH livery somewhat boring, yet it's simplicity doesn't hurt the eyes and does serve it's purpose. A simple change, such as a modification o
27 Qantas787 : i disagree completely i think that the BA world designs were the cleverest bit of thinking in world aviation recognition, but obviously i was in a mi
28 LTU932 : The rebranding was a disaster, granted, but perhaps the TCX colourscheme can be adapted a bit once Condor is back under full control by LH. The title
29 ReverseThrust : I thought LH were changing the inside of their planes too, with new economy seating.... think there was a picture of it on here a few weeks back. Ther
30 OHLHD : It is QATAR AIRWAYS not Quatar. Try reading a book next time!
31 Post contains links and images LTU932 : But it tends to be a bit more difficult when trying to tell the difference between TCX UK and TCX Belgium. Please don't start a war on why LH (or IB
32 Lufthansi : Well I just though about my last years at Lh. They changed a lot but didn't touch their livery. Just wanted to know how the rest of the world thinks a
33 Post contains images TriStar500 : No need to change the livery just to please some bored spotters. It is still clean, modern, no-nonsense and thus perfectly communicates the LH credo.
34 LTU932 : Indeed I agree. Though their previous colours also looked very neat, especially with the blue cheatline and the coat of arms of the state/city/town t
35 Johnnybgoode : i think there will be a new livery when the A380 enters the fleet. from early pictures and aircraft models, the A380 seems to have white engines (iso
36 Post contains links and images Jorge1812 : Guess this isn't the right place View Large View MediumPhoto © Georg Noack Georg
37 Post contains images EK413 : Say no more! EK413
38 Mikester540 : Kinda boring, but there is nothing bad about it? Why change it?
39 Babybus : They should never, ever, change that livery. It is one of the few liveries in the world that looks equally good on all their aircraft. It's a s modern
40 FL370 : yes they need to get a new scheme. but im hoping a for an original paint scheme. something thats one of a kinda. EX(AA)
41 FL370 : yes they need to get a new scheme. but im hoping a for an original paint scheme. something thats one of a kind. EX(AA) ups, thai have the same paint s
42 ETFokker50 : It follows the punchline / motto that works for lots of industries: KISS. For those who don't know, that means Keep It Simple, Stupid. Lufthansa's liv
43 ZakHH : There is certain changes Lufthansa needs far more desperately than a new livery... Cheers ZakHH (having just returned from what was a completely (bee
44 DALelite : LH is a very conservative, somehow boring airline. I doubt that they will change their livery in a longer turn. Along with changing their image, they
45 Johnnybgoode : which is exactly what LH will do with the introduction of the A380.
46 Airtropolis : Flew LH to Germany last week, I actually had a pretty good impression of them. While they are certainly not SQ, they offer a pretty decent product. I
47 Post contains images Bmacleod : LH current livery is similar to AC 1994-2005 livery - all white fuselage with logo or design on tail. Maybe LH should follow AC by painting the fusela
48 N1120A : It isn't all white, you should look again. Because that connotes "Germany" or "Lufthansa" how?
49 Post contains links and images Boeing777/747 : Study I found on the internet (www.liladesign.com):
50 NZFan : Sometimes i do wonder what those designers at Lila Design think. Sorry to say but that is simply horrendous
51 Hoppe777 : Wow nice job on the livery Boeing777/747 the blue underbody looks great although we wont be able to tell the difference anymore between that and a BA
52 Musapapaya : I am just wondering if there are so many complaints about LH, then how on earth can they still make big money? At least I think you should have a loo
53 Musapapaya : I am just wondering if there are so many complaints about LH, then how on earth can they still make big money? At least I think you should have a loo
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