Richcandy From France, joined Aug 2001, 697 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3186 times:
Hi
A few months a go someone told me that AF post their business class menus on there website. I have tried to find these but have been unable. Does any one know where?
B777A340Fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 749 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3107 times:
I was trying to find it too, but couldn't either. L'Espace Affaires is pretty good. It's better than AA or DL, but nowhere near CX or SQ. Hope it helps.
Misbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2905 times:
Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 1): L'Espace Affaires is pretty good. It's better than AA or DL,
Not necessarily. I end up averaging at least one transatlantic RT on AF/DL and I've decided I'd rather fly DL in BizE than AF's Affaires.
For seat comfort and overall cabin I would rate them as:
1. DL 777
2. AF NEV
3. DL 763
4. AF Old Espace
However, where I think DL really wins is the food service. AF's food might be a little better in quality, but you don't get the much wider selection that Delta has.
And I just don't understand why AF's meals are served in trays!
HT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6475 posts, RR: 26 Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2902 times:
Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 3): I've decided I'd rather fly DL in BizE than AF's Affaires.
Amen to that !
Furthermore, I very much prefer the personal touch that DL´s B/E-staffs gives to pax over AF; even KL used*) to be better.
*) "used" as experince was a while ago.
Unfortunately, it´s CDG T2 that puts in some bitter taste into an otherwise very (!) well experience on DL´s B/E, but for me it´s a bit difficult to fly through other hubs for continuation on DL to the U.S.:
KL-feed to AMS is the second best option, though currently the early morning flight out of HAJ leaves at 0605h grrr!
LH-feed into FRA, STR or MUC: No e-ticket possible, no through-checkin possible (as I´ve been told) and change of Terminals (at FRA & MUC) which makes it less desirable for business travel, though company-rates we get are pretty good (my employer gets much better rates on SkyTeam longhaul Business class than on StarAlliance).
BRAVO7E7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1840 posts, RR: 20 Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2894 times:
Misbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2886 times:
Quoting HT (Reply 4): Furthermore, I very much prefer the personal touch that DL´s B/E-staffs gives to pax over AF; even KL used*) to be better.
*) "used" as experince was a while ago.
I agree. To be fair though, the AF crew are usually pretty good too. They just have a different - French? - approach. A little standoffish, like they're pitying the rest of us for not being French. All part of the experience.
The best combination will be crew with AF looks and DL demeanor; DL seats with AF IFE; DL food (and service - I HATE the damn trays!) with AF's wines (though Delta's aren't too bad).
Quoting HT (Reply 4): Unfortunately, it´s CDG T2 that puts in some bitter taste into an otherwise very (!) well experience on DL´s B/E, but for me it´s a bit difficult to fly through other hubs for continuation on DL to the U.S.:
You mean 2E, right? Or all of the halls?
And yeah, it's the number of flights with varying departure times out of CDG that make AF/DL very attractive in that regard.
While it is okay with me, that T2E is being used while construction is going on (the AF lounge and also the area around the gates basically are in okay shape), it is mainly the poor performance that takes place on the apron that I have my problems with.
I've stated it before (in other threads), that I don't like in which style (premium paying) B/E-pax are being bussed between a/c and terminal v/v, while being yelled at (not "asked") to move even closer together, just as a result that not enough buses are employed to shuttle pax back and forth.
I'm not sure, who is to blame for this: Either the airline(s) or ground handling, but as I am a customer of the airline and so it is also the airline who will "feel" my personal response.
CDG T1 may not be the nicest place and may also have some other negative aspects, but sofar ops ran smoother over there for me than in T2.
Sofar I cannot complain about Red wine and Champagne offered by DL, but especially with Red wine it comes down to one's personal preference.
That Shiraz from Oz I had was a good companion to the Tenderloin of Beef, which was preceeded by some sips of Champagne Lallier (while it was "Lallier only" on my redeye flight of which about one bottle consumed left no hangover but attributed to a good night rest )
Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 6): And yeah, it's the number of flights with varying departure times out of CDG that make AF/DL very attractive in that regard.
Indeed. Especially if one has to set off from home (HAJ) for week full of business meetings in Atlanta already Sunday morning.
-HT
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Fly707 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 343 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2791 times:
I flew Air France First class twice & they have good service.
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