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Is Alaska Airlines Safe?  
User currently onlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4971 posts, RR: 28
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18550 times:

Oh yes, this is a good subject. With all of the recent profits Alaska has squeezed out, I was wondering if they are cutting in the area of safety?

I remember Alaska 261 crashing into the ocean. Could this have been prevented?

How about the relationship with Menzies? They have jeopardized the safety of many passengers. Accidents galore, theft of luggage and cargo, felons on the ramp, and outright dangerous performance.

What are your feelings on the safety of Alaska Airlines?

http://www.king5.com/sharedcontent/northwest/flash/alaska2.htm


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User currently offlineJoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 18546 times:

I have seen the same question asked a while ago.

I would imagine so. I would imagine their government or Flight safety board would close the airline down or suspend operations if it is not safe.

Sure Flight 261 was due to cost cutting, but they have a pretty good record. Look at an airline like AA who have had several crashes over the year


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18573 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Thread starter):
Oh yes, this is a good subject

No it is not. Alaska performs under the exact same oversight as every other US carrier. If you don't feel they are safe, fly another airline.

Quoting F9Animal (Thread starter):
I remember Alaska 261 crashing into the ocean. Could this have been prevented?

Of course it could have been prevented by procedures now in place that are a result of that very crash...the screws are now oiled more frequently than was previously required. Accidents and disasters are how MANY, MANY inadequate or improper maintenance or other procedures are discovered and corrected.

TWA 800 resulted in changes in fuel tanks correcting a problem that nobody thought would ever result in a catastrophic failure. PanAm 759 resulted in the installation of windshear detection equipment years ahead of schedule because nobody knew windshear could be as severe it was in Kenner, Louisiana that day. The Swissair crash resulted in certain electrical wiring being insulated with Kevlar. Something is learned from virtually every disaster that enhances the safety of aviation in the future.

Quoting F9Animal (Thread starter):
What are your feelings on the safety of Alaska Airlines?

Alaska Airlines is as safe as any other carrier operating in the U.S. Their crew are trained and equipment maintained to the same standards as every other airline, standards that are higher than required by the government.

The Menzies "issue" is really not an issue at all. Improper procedures happen with airline employees and subcontractors alike. It is Alaska's responsibility to provide reasonable oversight of subs, but errors happen all the time at all levels in any organization. You root out the slackers when their poor performance becomes apparent, replace them with competent folks and move on.

I've been flying professionally for 25 years and would not hesitate to board any Alaska aircraft.



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User currently offlineSupraZachAir From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Feb 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18523 times:

Guess someone needed their AS/Menzies bashing for the week. Thanks for never showing your true colors, guy.

Put me on an AS jet today, tomorrow, or any day of the week, thanks.


User currently onlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4971 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18474 times:

Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 3):
Guess someone needed their AS/Menzies bashing for the week. Thanks for never showing your true colors, guy.

Put me on an AS jet today, tomorrow, or any day of the week, thanks.

How about your bag? Some of the worst baggage performance issues in the industry. Is that a cause of cost cuts? Lack of training?

Not sure about me being comfortable about hopping on an AS jet any day of the week. I don't need assurance that my oxygen mask and jack screw will work properly. Don't need assurance that the Menzies guys will report damage they inflicted on my flight. Don't need assurance that my luggage will arrive at my destination in one piece or not at all.

Back to the topic. Is Alaska Airlines really safe. Seeing how the anniversary of Valujet 592 came and went... Are we seeing another version of a Valujet 592 in the making?



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User currently offlineRoadrunner165 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 873 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18475 times:

Yes, Alaska Airline is very safe.

Do a search, this question has been beaten to death....


Adam


User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18442 times:

Is Midwest safe??? After all they had 1 big time fatal crash back in the day under Midwest Express. DC-9 crashed after take off from RW 19R, took out a house or 2 also. Are they safe because of that?

Is any airline that's had a major issue like that safe? 95% of the time yes they are. Airlines have small Mx issues all the time because well, stuff fails and mechanics try to catch it before that happens but its a man made object, its bound to fail sooner or later.


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3499 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 18404 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Thread starter):

You're a reporter, aren't you?



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User currently offlineVisakow From United States of America, joined May 2006, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18387 times:

I thought a crew chief from Alaska had 60 counts against him from forcing Mech's to sign off work documents. Once again that was the media and maybe/probably blown out of proportion.

I flew Alaska about a year & 1/2 ago, SEA-SFO-SEA and was satisfied with overall experience. Other than a string of negative stories on KOMO 4 I enjoyed my flights.


User currently offlineKabAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18316 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 4):
Not sure about me being comfortable about hopping on an AS jet any day of the week. I don't need assurance that my oxygen mask and jack screw will work properly. Don't need assurance that the Menzies guys will report damage they inflicted on my flight. Don't need assurance that my luggage will arrive at my destination in one piece or not at all.

I don't think you started this thread with any impartiality did you?  Smile

AS is a very safe airline. The one disaster several years ago was regretable and very sad, but considering you don't see MD-80's dropping into the ocean on a regular basis, I wouldn't worry too much. Is it another ValuJet 592 in the making? Well, that crash was a result of hazardous materials if I'm not mistaken, and so is probably not terribly relevent to the things that you are bringing up.

May I ask what your grudge against AS is?



wow, there sure are a lot of expert economists on this forum....
User currently offlineKabAir From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 18242 times:

F9Animal,

Where did you get your journalism degree? Seriously, I'm not trying to be a jerk here but my wife is a journalist and she doesn't go about researching stories the way you do. She impartially seeks out facts and both sides of the issue and then reports things without bias - just the facts. Which is what I thought journalism was supposed to be? You seem to me like you're on a witch hunt and not much else. If people respond to your comments and you lash back out and tell them why you're wrong that is in NO WAY journalism - that's commentary. So if you consider yourself a commentator then fine. But a reporter?......



wow, there sure are a lot of expert economists on this forum....
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18144 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 4):
How about your bag? Some of the worst baggage performance issues in the industry. Is that a cause of cost cuts? Lack of training?

Not sure about me being comfortable about hopping on an AS jet any day of the week. I don't need assurance that my oxygen mask and jack screw will work properly. Don't need assurance that the Menzies guys will report damage they inflicted on my flight. Don't need assurance that my luggage will arrive at my destination in one piece or not at all.

Back to the topic. Is Alaska Airlines really safe. Seeing how the anniversary of Valujet 592 came and went... Are we seeing another version of a Valujet 592 in the making?

Well despite several users factually answering your question you still go on about it. It seems the only answer you'll accept is one that coincides with your skewed version of reality...


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User currently onlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4971 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 18149 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
You're right - WN had planes slide off the runway and onto busy streets. Twice. In a span of just a few years.

So where's your moral indignation and heartfelt cry for a review of their operations? Show me. Prove to me you're impartial, smart guy.

Because right now all you're doing is further killing whatever respect you may have once had here.

If Alaska can prove to me that they have taken measures to ensure Menzies is performing and changing the way they report aircraft strikes, then I will be happy. I have those planes flying over my house, and personally, I don't want to be the unlucky one. I have a vested interest in knowing that Alaska is jumping all over Menzies butts to ensure a safe operation.

For the sake of my friends and family, I have a heartfelt cry to know what the outcome of the review was. I also have a hearfelt cry to know that Alaska has actually done something to fix the problem. I don't want to hear they put another bandaid on the problem. I want to know that they whooped these guys into shape.

Remember, Menzies got Alaska into the bad media spotlight. And Alaska was the one who hired Menzies to do the job. Both parties have to hold the same amount of responsibility.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 17):
As a 14 year AS employee, I fly on our planes each week for business. I also place my family and friends on our planes.

Do you think for a moment that I'd put my life or the lives of the people I love in jeopardy if I thought AS wasn't safe? Do you?

The fact that I continue to fly them along with friends and family is all the proof you need, pal.

Let me start by saying that I have full respect for you as a person. Again, you have every right to stick up for your company. It is your company for crying out loud. But, you too have to admit that when the news hit, you shook your head. Can you tell me what your CEO and Executive team have done to ensure compliance?

Quoting KabAir (Reply 19):
F9Animal,

Where did you get your journalism degree? Seriously, I'm not trying to be a jerk here but my wife is a journalist and she doesn't go about researching stories the way you do. She impartially seeks out facts and both sides of the issue and then reports things without bias - just the facts. Which is what I thought journalism was supposed to be? You seem to me like you're on a witch hunt and not much else. If people respond to your comments and you lash back out and tell them why you're wrong that is in NO WAY journalism - that's commentary. So if you consider yourself a commentator then fine. But a reporter?......

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I am not trying to be a jerk either KabAir. I think I have a vested concern about this issue. I also respect your feelings about this issue too.

I got all of the facts, and looked at both sides. I never said that I was never wrong, but I have facts, documents, and footage to prove the allegations are true about the media reports. Alaska cannot deny the validity to the allegations and facts. When you have security, safety, and integrity issues in an airline, that alone is not comforting.

As far as what I do for a living, I cannot share. I can say that I have a strong background in the subject you are questioning though.  Smile



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 18031 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 12):
For the sake of my friends and family, I have a heartfelt cry to know what the outcome of the review was. I also have a hearfelt cry to know that Alaska has actually done something to fix the problem. I don't want to hear they put another bandaid on the problem. I want to know that they whooped these guys into shape.

Its getting a little deep there, don't you think? Why don't you simply email the NTSB and the FAA to see what the outcome was? Email Alaska see what they say. I can only think of two US carriers that I would have reservations about putting my family on, and Alaska is certainly not one of them.



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User currently onlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4971 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 18028 times:

Quoting Lowrider (Reply 13):
Its getting a little deep there, don't you think? Why don't you simply email the NTSB and the FAA to see what the outcome was? Email Alaska see what they say. I can only think of two US carriers that I would have reservations about putting my family on, and Alaska is certainly not one of them.

Deep is an understatement. Gangs, intoxicated workers, thieves, unreported aircraft strikes, hazmat errors, animals thrown like rag dolls, animals stolen, weight and balance issues, carts of bags missing flights, lost luggage galore, day labor employees working your flights, and the list goes on and on and on and on.

If you don't believe me, then take a visit to SEA and take a look for yourself. Watch the operation for a few hours, and you will be simply sickened at what Alaska has done to the operation. Most people don't look outside and see the chaos at an airport. If you think a hub is chaos, then SEA Alaska ramp is a chaotic disaster.

I will be visiting again soon, and I will take additional video and share it. In fact, I am sending some of the footage to Americas Funniest Home Videos. The bag cart flipping over full of luggage, and the driver of the carts driving down the ramp with the flipped over cart sparking across the ramp. The driver never knew that sharp turn and high speed could flip a cart. He kept on going until someone flagged him down and stopped him. Oh man, who cares about the damaged luggage! It was worth the laughs!



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 18014 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 14):
Gangs, intoxicated workers, thieves, unreported aircraft strikes, hazmat errors, animals thrown like rag dolls, animals stolen, weight and balance issues, carts of bags missing flights, lost luggage galore, day labor employees working your flights, and the list goes on and on and on and on.

Sounds like a normal day at ORD



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User currently offlineHorizonGirl From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 807 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 18012 times:

This is not a good subject.  Smile

AS is the best airline in my eyes.
They are just as good if not better than a lot of other airlines.
And just think about how many airlines have had their
preventable crashes.
Whatever makes an airplane crash, there is always
going to be a cause. There is most often something that could
have been done about it, but it was discovered too late.
Things happen. It was a horrible event,
and many people were affected, but we can't
very well hold it against them forever.
AS is not my favourite airline for no reason.
If you knew me you would instantly know that I have
Brutally high standards for an airline to make it even
close to my top 10.
Alaska Airlines rules!

Devon



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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 18006 times:

First off i would like you to try and find better qualified and skilled pilots anywhere. secondly there aircraft are new and very well kept. (the MAWD DAWGS are being phased out) and alaska has had two major crashes since 1950.(261 and the juneau accident of the 70's....Shemeya was a military charter.) thats very good considering the weather they fly in every day. also since 261 AS has strived to make saftey a top priority. and just because an airline can squeeze out a profit doesnt mean they aren't safe, sorry to burst your bubble F9Animal

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 14):
Deep is an understatement. Gangs, intoxicated workers, thieves, unreported aircraft strikes, hazmat errors, animals thrown like rag dolls, animals stolen, weight and balance issues, carts of bags missing flights, lost luggage galore, day labor employees working your flights, and the list goes on and on and on and on.

jesus christ shut up!!!!! oh my god the workers dropped a bag, FLIP OUT!!! crap that bag touched the skin of the plane lets take it out of service for a week and inspect the damage. shut up and quit bringing AS down. for gods sake, F9 decided to make a TV show out of their flight attendent school. yes thats professional. i wouldnt feel safe in an aircraft with half of those people. now you need to end your little rampage on AS and go find some other airline to attempt to screw.


User currently onlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4971 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17991 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 17):
jesus christ shut up!!!!! oh my god the workers dropped a bag, FLIP OUT!!! crap that bag touched the skin of the plane lets take it out of service for a week and inspect the damage. shut up and quit bringing AS down. for gods sake, F9 decided to make a TV show out of their flight attendent school. yes thats professional. i wouldnt feel safe in an aircraft with half of those people. now you need to end your little rampage on AS and go find some other airline to attempt to screw.

Dropped a bag? Where did you come up with that one from? More like threw a dog in a kennel like a bag.

BTW- Why did you tell Jesus to shut up? He has nothing to do with this subject.



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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17986 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 18):
Dropped a bag? Where did you come up with that one from? More like threw a dog in a kennel like a bag.

yes and i suppose F9 gives them kibbles and bits and sets them softly on a goose down pillow.


User currently onlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4971 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 17986 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 19):
yes and i suppose F9 gives them kibbles and bits and sets them softly on a goose down pillow.

I have never in my career observed any ramp worker throw a kennel with an animal inside of it. Never.

Are you justifying Menzies? Are you saying that it is acceptable to throw a kennel with an animal inside of it?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...alnews/2002730539_flyingdog10.html

[Edited 2006-05-15 06:26:06]


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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17948 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 14):
Gangs, intoxicated workers, thieves, unreported aircraft strikes, hazmat errors, animals thrown like rag dolls, animals stolen, weight and balance issues

Sounds like issues for the airport police and the FAA. Why don't you talk to someone who can do something about it, rather than rant here? If your concern is so truely heartfelt, then expend your energy doing something that can make a difference.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 20):
Are you justifying Menzies? Are you saying that it is acceptable to throw a kennel with an animal inside of it?

It is not acceptable, but it also has no bearing on the original question re. the safety of Alaska Airlines. Call PETA, they are interested in this sort of thing.



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 17948 times:

Yes, Alaska is safe except for the fact that they have had more accidents the last few years than any other airline and the last major fatal one. As far as the Menzies question, what do you expect? Menzies is run by people that count the days till the next drug test and people that barely graduated high school, at least here in the states.

The problem is that at Menzies, the managers were once the ramp agents meaning they work their way up, this could be good and bad. Bad meaning even though they have a higer job they still are the same idiots who barely graduated high school. I am ashamed to say that I went to apply at Menzies for a ramp job for the summer. When I saw the croud that I would be working with I got the hell out of there. LOL I remember the secretary that processed my application, she asked me "Wow you're actually going to college???" That's when you know it's not the best place to work.

[Edited 2006-05-15 20:48:06]

User currently onlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4971 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 17905 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 22):
Yes, Alaska is safe except for the fact that they have had more accidents the last few years than any other airline and the last major fatal one. As far as the Menzies question, what do you expect? Menzies is run by people that count the days till the next drug test and people that barely graduated high school, at least here in the states.

The problem is that at Menzies, the managers were once the ramp agents meaning they work their way up, this could be good and bad. Bad meaning even though they have a higer job they still are the same idiots who barely graduated high school. I am ashamed to say that I went to apply at Menzies for a ramp job for the summer. When I saw the croud that I would be working with I got the hell out of there. LOL I remember the secretary that processed my application, she asked me "Wow you're actually going to college???" That's when you know it's not the best place to work.

LMAO! That is funny. I bet the secretary wrote a note on your application. In fact I found the note! It says:

Dis guy be goeing to collage! He be da good guy on da ramp. U nead to higher him wright away! Dis be one of da few good aplicants dat applyed to day.



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 17908 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 23):
I bet the secretary wrote a note on your application.

Actually I interviewed on the spot. The secretary looked at me told me to wait a minute, next thing I knew I was interviewing with the main manager at the airport. As I was about to leave she did tell me that normally they would wait to call back but since I had college experience that's all they needed. Since I already had prior aviation knowledge, I was the first one to pass the class room training, the other drug addicts needed the whole day to pass the test. UHH, what is the airport code for Spokane, or what is the airport code for los angles int. Can I put Dry Ice next to animals in the cargo hold, can I?

[Edited 2006-05-16 00:25:34]

[Edited 2006-05-16 00:30:38]

[Edited 2006-05-16 00:31:53]

25 Post contains images HorizonGirl : Oh you just said everything I wouldn't dare say. But you know, I was thinking it. Anyways, he wasn't telling Jesus to shut up. He was telling you to
26 Alaska737 : humm thats odd, last time i checked the AA flight out of JFK killed over 200 people in 2001 (not 9/11, the A300) and AS 261 killed 88 in 2000 so i wo
27 Bushpilot : In short yes, I am not thrilled about menzies, mostly because they are scabs. The 261 flt was tragic of course, but AS flies an ambitious schedule, th
28 Alaska737 : agreed, the companies that know nothing about air travel and figure, humm i have new planes so noting will go wrong scare me a little. especially whe
29 AirWillie6475 : That's true but the AA flight was cause by pilot error. Alaska was mx issue.
30 Bushpilot : Well according to F9Animal, it appears that crashes caused by pilot error are much worse than Mx issues. AS has some of the best pilots out there, bu
31 Post contains links F9Animal : Companies that know nothing about air travel? Most of the employees with F9 and B6 decided to leave airlines that thought they knew everything. Obvio
32 Alaska737 : also a controller mistake and a design flaw. thats a bold statment and i would like to see any numbers veryifing that if you could, thank you.
33 Post contains links F9Animal : BTW- This was not the first incident of animal ABUSE at Menzies. And read the link before you post. Instead of using a beltloader, the Menzies Moron
34 Alaska737 : actually my dream is to be a 737 captain for Alaska, you know good pilots work for good airlines. yes IFE and making sure your dumb shitzu is happy i
35 F9Animal : Actually, I wish you the best of luck. Feelings set aside regarding this topic. Again, this has nothing to do with the flight crew. This has everythi
36 Alaska737 : thank you well its mainly safety due to menzines not with the managment, MX, A/C, or flight crews
37 Alaska737 : haha funny considering AK is the only self sustaining state in the nation. im sorry we dont sit on our butts and watch jerry springer, we work hard a
38 F9Animal : AMEN!!!! AMEN!!!!! You said it yourself!!! AMEN!!! Jesus Christ does exist!!!! Hey now! No need to slam on Jerry now. Half of the show is Menzies emp
39 Roadrunner165 : F9Animal, What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this thread?? It appears to me that you simply want to argue about how bad of an airline Alas
40 AirWillie6475 : There is no need to use rudder inflight an certainly not to the extent that the AA pilot did. It WAS A PILOT MISTAKE, controllers can only do so much
41 F9Animal : Ask the 40 plus lawsuits coming in the next 2 months if the media sensationalized the stories. Crummy thoughts? Crummy is the sound that a plane make
42 Post contains images Roadrunner165 : Of course not, lawyers are going to use the negative media coverage to their advantage. I doubt that we will ever see a civil case against Alaska reg
43 Post contains links F9Animal : ROFL! And nobody believes me. Guess this is normal,,, right? Nothing to worry about. This is oversensationalized. Relax! Enjoy your flight! This is a
44 MDorBust : " target=_blank>http://www.komotv.com/stories/43449.htm Okay, some simple steps for you: Get back on your meds, you're twinking on us Google "Smoke in
45 Post contains images F9Animal : 1. Meds? WTF? LMAO! How would meds help me? Should I take some before boarding an AS flight? Yeah! I could become a trillionaire! Great idea! 2. I go
46 AirPacific747 : I saw a program on Discovery not so long ago with an Alaskan MD-80 I think it was that crashed down off the coast of California. It had something to d
47 Bridogger6 : Actually it was scheduled to be filmed based on HP training... however, we cancelled the class that was supposed to be filmed as we no longer needed
48 Alaska737 : no that just makes F9 look stupid. it puts pressure on the people attempting to train the trainees and forces people to make bad decisions due to the
49 Aerorobnz : I bloody well hope so, I flew up to ANC with them yesterday and have 2 more sectors in a few days. Actually no problems with AS, except the lack of he
50 BoeingOnFinal : Sorry for taking this discussion forward again, looks like a terrible fight :p One thing that wonders me though, was when I looked at the documentary
51 Alaska737 : yes it should, thus the MD-80 has a design flaw
52 SyHopeful : That's a pretty fallacious argument. Show me ONE plane crash where nothing could've been changed that would've prevented the crash. ALL crashes are p
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