Zrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2872 posts, RR: 10 Posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9132 times:
35 years ago, Pan Am wa the most prestigious airline to fly and work for. The service was tops, the network was vast, and it was true international symbol.
What world carrier holds that torch today? I would think it's British Airways, but perhaps others have different thoughts.
Spartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 464 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9088 times:
In my humble opinion, there is none.
No other airline has come close to the cachet of Pan Am. While my first international flight was not on Pan Am [it was on KLM], my best international flights were always onboard Pan Am 747 Clippers, with Pan Am 727 Clippers always making a great connecting flight.
Even in the downmarket days of the 1980's, if one was booked on Pan Am one knew that there was something 'better' about that trip.
To some extent, BA has a level of style and class, given its British heritage. But other international carriers, American or not, don't even come close.
Pan Am was, after all, the World's Most Experienced Airline.
Manu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 402 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9088 times:
Who actually flys the Pan Am 727 aircraft? I frequently see one at ATL when I arrive on AC. Always freaks me out when I see it... Obviously not the same thing, but still a valid question? What is this airline's story and has anyone actually flown them? Do they hold value to their historical name?
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7703 posts, RR: 55 Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8967 times:
BA. I don't think any of the US airlines have the same cachet, I think cos they all grew out of frumpy domestic carriers: AA, United, Continental didn't fly outside the US til the 80s or 90s, about the same time Pan Am died; whereas BA have always been innovators with flying boats in the 20s, covering the whole British empire (ie every continent) in the 30s til the 60s, first with jets, first jets across the pond, CONCORDE and other unique types ie VC10, Trident, and today a fleet that includes 57 747s. Only Air France match that kind of history but they don't have the va-va-voom (ironically). I would add Emirates for the network and exotic style, Qantas for the history, maybe Virgin for the alleged glamour of the brand (I'm not personally a fan, although I like SRB). If there's a US carrier who have carried the flag, it's United, although their service is appalling - they have the massive (ex-Pan Am) to and across Asia, whereas AA, DL and CO just do Tokyo - it's not unusual to see three United 747s lined up at Kansai or Hong Kong.
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Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 34 Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8952 times:
Quoting Manu (Reply 4): Who actually flys the Pan Am 727 aircraft?
ShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8926 times:
Quoting Manu (Reply 4): Who actually flys the Pan Am 727 aircraft?
Boston-Maine Airways Corp.
Quoting Manu (Reply 4): Do they hold value to their historical name?
Short answer, no. In my opinion, they have drug what amounts to a national landmark through the mud, especially since they started putting the logo on railroad cars.
Tmarch291 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 147 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8926 times:
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8888 times:
Problem is Pan Am and TWA used to be THE international airlines of the U.S. - and while some airlines had a few routes (Braniff to South America), if you were flying to Europe or Asia, it is almost certain that you would fly either TW or PA.
Today United has Pan Am's Pacific division (in competition with NW who has always had it). Those are your two major U.S. airlines to Asia. Braniff and Pan Am's dominance to South America has been replaced by Continental and American. And while just about everyone is flying to Europe nowadays, Delta (who took Pan Am's Europe system) and Continental are by far the dominant carriers.
It seems as though the spirit of the great but gone airlines are still there...just spread out to their descendants like an inheritance.
Pan Am:The World's Most Experienced Airline - P(oor) S(ailor's) A(irline): San Diego's Hometown Airline-Catch Our Smile!
Antskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 883 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8882 times:
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 6): I don't think any of the US airlines have the same cachet
US airlines have had their day in the sun. Now it's small non- European countries with big classy airlines that turn heads wherever they go. My votes are for SQ and EK. And they are going to get so much bigger and more significant...
BoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 18 Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8871 times:
My opinion its Emirates!
Pan Am was a 747 pioneer just like Emirates will be with the A380.
KingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1579 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8830 times:
RE: Isnt NWA The New PanAm? (by Dtwclipper Apr 12 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2714586
I would hardly say that NW was the new Pan Am. They lack South America, a hallmark of PA at one point. They only fly to AMS, LGW, CDG, and FRA in Europe. The Asian network is comparable (maybe). They aren't prestigious to work for and the service is fair at best, if is compared to that of PA at their peak. Service meaning in-flight amenities minus IFE. I don't think PA had in seat PTVs like the NW 330s and WBC on 744s. Sure they have a great, innovative history. Read Kenneth Ruble's Flight To The Top if you're interested in that. But look now. They could have been, and could only be similar if they meet a similar fate, hopefully that won't happen. I hope I don't offend any NW employees, but that is what I see.
PWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1217 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8823 times:
The Pan Am of today is Boston and Maine Airways Corp. as somebody mentioned previously. It is owned by Guilford Transportation, which is primarily a frieght railroad operating in Maine/Massachusetts/N.H./Vermont.
Until about year ago, they operated daily flights between their base at Pease Tradeport (Former Pease AFB) in Portsmouth, NH to Orlando-Sanford, (PSM-SFB) and onwards to Puerto Rico. For a while they tried BGR-PSM-SFB.
From around 1999 until 2004 they also tried and failed at serving numerous 'secondary' airports. Off the top of my head I can remember PSM-Gary, Indiana (Chicago), PSM-East St. Louis, Illinois (St. Louis), PSM-PNE-Northeast Phililedelphia Airport, and I think PSM-BWI for a short while.... although most of their attempts at these routes were pretty short lived themselves anyway. They also flew a lot of sport and Political Campaign charter flights during those years.
The current airline was established in March 1999 and started operations in May 2000. It was founded as a feeder for Pan American Airways and also flew for Caesar's of Atlantic City.
Under the name Pan Am Clipper Connection, Boston-Maine Airways operates six round-trips daily between Trenton-Mercer Airport in Ewing, New Jersey, and Hanscom Field in Bedford, Massachusetts. Boston-Maine Airways also operates one round-trip daily between Trenton-Mercer Airport and Pease International Airport in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
Guilford ceased operating Pan Am on November 1, 2004, but operations were transferred to Boston-Maine Airways, which resumed Boeing 727 service under the Pan Am Clipper Connection brand from February 17, 2005.
In August 2005, a federal investigation into fraudulent financial data submitted by Boston-Maine Airways halted plans to expand its fleet and route system. At the same time, the airline pilot union had claimed that the airline was unfit to operate and urged the Department of Transportation to deny the airline's certification for expansion.[1] The airline later announced that it was suspending service from September 6 to November 16, citing rising fuel costs and decreased levels of booking.[2] In mid-October 2005, the airline suspended 727 flights indefinitely from several airports that it served, including its home base in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.[3]
By March 21, 2006, Pan Am Clipper Connection became the first announced non-charter service to connect to the growing municipal airport in Tunica, Mississippi. The addition not only connects the carrier to a burgeoning casino destination, but also aids efforts to bolster Tunica Municipal as a secondary airport to Memphis International Airport in nearby Memphis, Tennessee. Boston-Maine Airways' Pan Am Clipper Connection will fly from Tunica Municipal Airport to Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport three times per week beginning on May 2, 2006.
INTENSS From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8745 times:
Quoting Manu (Reply 4): Who actually flys the Pan Am 727 aircraft? I frequently see one at ATL when I arrive on AC. Always freaks me out when I see it... Obviously not the same thing, but still a valid question? What is this airline's story and has anyone actually flown them? Do they hold value to their historical name?
PWM2TXLHopper covered the new PA Clipper Connection pretty well. The PA 727's you see in Atlanta operate to Tunica, Orlando-Sanford and Cancun at various times of the week.
I flew on them a month or so ago from Sanford to Atlanta. Decent service, it was on time, and got to fly a 727 in Pan Am colors. Made my day....
AlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8609 times:
Continental has a good reputation - and a blue globe on the tail. Their route map internationally isn't as widespread as Pan Am's was (as far as I know), especially in the Pacific, but as their napkins read, Continental serves the most international destinations of any U.S. airline. ("No wonder we're called Continental")
pretty impressive! Some interesting gaps: Canada, for one. Other than the huge coverage of the U.S. and South America (US interests?), EK should better that coverage within 10 years. It already covers Africa, Asia, Europe and Australia far more extensively than Pan Am ever did - except, of course, for trips in and out of the U.S.
StarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8380 times:
Air Canada could be a contender ?
They fly many continents.
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LO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2299 posts, RR: 25 Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8348 times:
Quoting Antskip (Reply 21): pretty impressive! Some interesting gaps: Canada, for one.
For two: Central and Eastern Europe. PanAm used to fly from FRA hub to WAW, BUD, LED, OTP and more. They also served some destinations direct from JFK, for example WAW with A310...
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Antskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 883 posts, RR: 6 Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8342 times:
Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 22): Air Canada could be a contender ?
They fly many continents.
Checked them out at: http://www.aircanada.com/en/travelinfo/destinations/maps/map.html.
and was surprised at their network. Not comparable with the old Pan Am in South America and Africa; but very similar, at least in reach (the maps of course give no idea of frequency ) elsewhere. A very impressive airline!
25 SparkingWave: Who is the Pan Am of today? There is no Pan Am of today. Period. SparkingWave ~~~
26 Tockeyhockey: the only US airline that comes close to PanAm's reach is CO. look at their route map -- they go just about everywhere the old PanAm did.
27 Braniff1960: Pan Am had acquired years of knowledge serving such remote locations in all parts of the world, they had local contacts in the hotel industry, tourist
28 Cs03: "You Can"t Beat The Experience, Pan Am" (Ad "lingo" 1980 s) says it all, period!
29 DeltaDAWG: Does anybody remember that it was Pan Am that invented or rolled out "Economy Class" via Juan Trippe to entice more people to fly? With that being sai
30 UA868: Nothing like that restaurant on the upper decks of those 747's. Not even BA would be close to being in the same category as PanAm. It is simpy another
31 BR715-A1-30: What a joke of a route map. So broken.
32 United787: If CO and UA merged, I think the combined airline could be comprable to what PanAm was, but better. I am not suggesting that this would or should ever
33 ContinentalGuy: Where is Bedford, Massachusetts in relation to Boston?
34 NW747-400: Did the original PA have any orders for late model Boeings before folding? IE 744/757/767
35 Dtwclipper: As far as I know, no. They were moving in an Airbus direction at the time.
36 UA772IAD: I don't know if and how Pan Am got away with this, but I was looking at the History section of United's website and I noticed that during WWII, The Ko
37 Piercey: Listen, I'm honestly sick of all these threads! Who is the next Pan American World Airways, Trans World Airlines, Eastern, Western, Braniff, etc... TH
38 Qazar: The way I see it is that Pan Am was the WOW of airlines in its days... Everything it did and was - would be described by WOW! From the variety of airc
40 Letsgetwet: I agree ......they will fold , just like Pan Am did.
41 Apodino: BED is about 15 miles to the WNW of Boston, right near Lexington and Concord, and very close to 128-95, which is the inner beltway around Boston. The
42 SparkingWave: The poster probably meant UA and not PA. SparkingWave ~~~
43 NZ8800: There may never be another PanAm. I cannot think of any current airline that not only has comparable routes, but also comparable status.
44 YULYMX: Routes wise UA could come close... Asia, australia, Europe,
45 Panamair: Amen to that. Airlines today can replicate the hardware, the routes, etc., but the intangibles are all gone now. Do we think the Singapore Girl can h
46 BCAL: I am not wishing to be direspectful, but if you are sick of all these threads, don't read them. Last time I looked they were not compulsory reading,
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