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Who Is The Pan Am Of Today?  
User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3132 posts, RR: 9
Posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12211 times:

35 years ago, Pan Am wa the most prestigious airline to fly and work for. The service was tops, the network was vast, and it was true international symbol.

What world carrier holds that torch today? I would think it's British Airways, but perhaps others have different thoughts.


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12206 times:

I would say the Virgin Group is up there.
Far flung network.
Affliates in other nations.
Sounds like PanAm to me.



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12190 times:

Here are 83 answers to your question:

RE: Isnt NWA The New PanAm? (by Dtwclipper Apr 12 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2714586


User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12167 times:

In my humble opinion, there is none.

No other airline has come close to the cachet of Pan Am. While my first international flight was not on Pan Am [it was on KLM], my best international flights were always onboard Pan Am 747 Clippers, with Pan Am 727 Clippers always making a great connecting flight.

Even in the downmarket days of the 1980's, if one was booked on Pan Am one knew that there was something 'better' about that trip.

To some extent, BA has a level of style and class, given its British heritage. But other international carriers, American or not, don't even come close.

Pan Am was, after all, the World's Most Experienced Airline.



"Nuts to the man in 21D!"
User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12167 times:

Who actually flys the Pan Am 727 aircraft? I frequently see one at ATL when I arrive on AC. Always freaks me out when I see it... Obviously not the same thing, but still a valid question? What is this airline's story and has anyone actually flown them? Do they hold value to their historical name?

User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12080 times:

It will take DL, CO, and UA put together to get PA.

DL-Europe
CO-South America
PA-Asia



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8061 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12046 times:

BA. I don't think any of the US airlines have the same cachet, I think cos they all grew out of frumpy domestic carriers: AA, United, Continental didn't fly outside the US til the 80s or 90s, about the same time Pan Am died; whereas BA have always been innovators with flying boats in the 20s, covering the whole British empire (ie every continent) in the 30s til the 60s, first with jets, first jets across the pond, CONCORDE and other unique types ie VC10, Trident, and today a fleet that includes 57 747s. Only Air France match that kind of history but they don't have the va-va-voom (ironically). I would add Emirates for the network and exotic style, Qantas for the history, maybe Virgin for the alleged glamour of the brand (I'm not personally a fan, although I like SRB). If there's a US carrier who have carried the flag, it's United, although their service is appalling - they have the massive (ex-Pan Am) to and across Asia, whereas AA, DL and CO just do Tokyo - it's not unusual to see three United 747s lined up at Kansai or Hong Kong.


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User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12031 times:

Quoting Manu (Reply 4):
Who actually flys the Pan Am 727 aircraft?

www.flypanam.com

A sorry excuse for an airline if I ever saw one.



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12005 times:

Quoting Manu (Reply 4):
Who actually flys the Pan Am 727 aircraft?

Boston-Maine Airways Corp.

Quoting Manu (Reply 4):
Do they hold value to their historical name?

Short answer, no. In my opinion, they have drug what amounts to a national landmark through the mud, especially since they started putting the logo on railroad cars.


User currently offlineTmarch291 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 147 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12005 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
www.flypanam.com

A sorry excuse for an airline if I ever saw one.

Does anyone have more information on this airline?

I checked out their website and they seem to have a very odd route map. I couldn't imagine someone flying any of those routes...


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11967 times:

Problem is Pan Am and TWA used to be THE international airlines of the U.S. - and while some airlines had a few routes (Braniff to South America), if you were flying to Europe or Asia, it is almost certain that you would fly either TW or PA.

Today United has Pan Am's Pacific division (in competition with NW who has always had it). Those are your two major U.S. airlines to Asia. Braniff and Pan Am's dominance to South America has been replaced by Continental and American. And while just about everyone is flying to Europe nowadays, Delta (who took Pan Am's Europe system) and Continental are by far the dominant carriers.

It seems as though the spirit of the great but gone airlines are still there...just spread out to their descendants like an inheritance.



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User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 927 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11961 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 6):
I don't think any of the US airlines have the same cachet

US airlines have had their day in the sun. Now it's small non- European countries with big classy airlines that turn heads wherever they go. My votes are for SQ and EK. And they are going to get so much bigger and more significant...


User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11950 times:

My opinion its Emirates!

Pan Am was a 747 pioneer just like Emirates will be with the A380.



Airbus or Boeing - it's all good to me!
User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11909 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Here are 83 answers to your question:

RE: Isnt NWA The New PanAm? (by Dtwclipper Apr 12 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2714586

I would hardly say that NW was the new Pan Am. They lack South America, a hallmark of PA at one point. They only fly to AMS, LGW, CDG, and FRA in Europe. The Asian network is comparable (maybe). They aren't prestigious to work for and the service is fair at best, if is compared to that of PA at their peak. Service meaning in-flight amenities minus IFE. I don't think PA had in seat PTVs like the NW 330s and WBC on 744s. Sure they have a great, innovative history. Read Kenneth Ruble's Flight To The Top if you're interested in that. But look now. They could have been, and could only be similar if they meet a similar fate, hopefully that won't happen. I hope I don't offend any NW employees, but that is what I see.



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User currently offlinePWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11902 times:

The Pan Am of today is Boston and Maine Airways Corp. as somebody mentioned previously. It is owned by Guilford Transportation, which is primarily a frieght railroad operating in Maine/Massachusetts/N.H./Vermont.

Until about year ago, they operated daily flights between their base at Pease Tradeport (Former Pease AFB) in Portsmouth, NH to Orlando-Sanford, (PSM-SFB) and onwards to Puerto Rico. For a while they tried BGR-PSM-SFB.

From around 1999 until 2004 they also tried and failed at serving numerous 'secondary' airports. Off the top of my head I can remember PSM-Gary, Indiana (Chicago), PSM-East St. Louis, Illinois (St. Louis), PSM-PNE-Northeast Phililedelphia Airport, and I think PSM-BWI for a short while.... although most of their attempts at these routes were pretty short lived themselves anyway. They also flew a lot of sport and Political Campaign charter flights during those years.


The current airline was established in March 1999 and started operations in May 2000. It was founded as a feeder for Pan American Airways and also flew for Caesar's of Atlantic City.

Under the name Pan Am Clipper Connection, Boston-Maine Airways operates six round-trips daily between Trenton-Mercer Airport in Ewing, New Jersey, and Hanscom Field in Bedford, Massachusetts. Boston-Maine Airways also operates one round-trip daily between Trenton-Mercer Airport and Pease International Airport in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

Guilford ceased operating Pan Am on November 1, 2004, but operations were transferred to Boston-Maine Airways, which resumed Boeing 727 service under the Pan Am Clipper Connection brand from February 17, 2005.

In August 2005, a federal investigation into fraudulent financial data submitted by Boston-Maine Airways halted plans to expand its fleet and route system. At the same time, the airline pilot union had claimed that the airline was unfit to operate and urged the Department of Transportation to deny the airline's certification for expansion.[1] The airline later announced that it was suspending service from September 6 to November 16, citing rising fuel costs and decreased levels of booking.[2] In mid-October 2005, the airline suspended 727 flights indefinitely from several airports that it served, including its home base in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.[3]

By March 21, 2006, Pan Am Clipper Connection became the first announced non-charter service to connect to the growing municipal airport in Tunica, Mississippi. The addition not only connects the carrier to a burgeoning casino destination, but also aids efforts to bolster Tunica Municipal as a secondary airport to Memphis International Airport in nearby Memphis, Tennessee. Boston-Maine Airways' Pan Am Clipper Connection will fly from Tunica Municipal Airport to Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport three times per week beginning on May 2, 2006.

[Edited 2006-05-31 04:34:38]

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User currently offlineINTENSS From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11824 times:

Quoting Manu (Reply 4):
Who actually flys the Pan Am 727 aircraft? I frequently see one at ATL when I arrive on AC. Always freaks me out when I see it... Obviously not the same thing, but still a valid question? What is this airline's story and has anyone actually flown them? Do they hold value to their historical name?

PWM2TXLHopper covered the new PA Clipper Connection pretty well. The PA 727's you see in Atlanta operate to Tunica, Orlando-Sanford and Cancun at various times of the week.

I flew on them a month or so ago from Sanford to Atlanta. Decent service, it was on time, and got to fly a 727 in Pan Am colors. Made my day....

-Rich


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11710 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 6):

Small correction.
Continental has been international since the 1960s.



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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11688 times:

Continental has a good reputation - and a blue globe on the tail. Their route map internationally isn't as widespread as Pan Am's was (as far as I know), especially in the Pacific, but as their napkins read, Continental serves the most international destinations of any U.S. airline. ("No wonder we're called Continental")

User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11680 times:

Quoting Spartanmjf (Reply 3):
In my humble opinion, there is none.

I second that, absolutely !!!

Flew Pan Am many many times and nothing that we have today could ever compare to it.

Have flown SQ, MH, BA, JL, KL, LH... They are just a shadow in the sky when you think of Pan Am.

Best regards



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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11638 times:

Answer = Whoever comes closest to flying all of these routes:

http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%2...%20Compressed/PA%20mapCOMP5903.jpg


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11600 times:

But it's not just about flying lots of routes. It's about flying those routes with class.


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User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 927 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11583 times:

Quoting Vega (Reply 19):
Answer = Whoever comes closest to flying all of these routes:

http://www.airchive.com/Timetables%2...3.jpg

pretty impressive! Some interesting gaps: Canada, for one. Other than the huge coverage of the U.S. and South America (US interests?), EK should better that coverage within 10 years. It already covers Africa, Asia, Europe and Australia far more extensively than Pan Am ever did - except, of course, for trips in and out of the U.S.

[Edited 2006-05-31 08:21:11]

User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11459 times:

Air Canada could be a contender ?


They fly many continents.



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User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11427 times:

Quoting Antskip (Reply 21):
pretty impressive! Some interesting gaps: Canada, for one.

For two: Central and Eastern Europe. PanAm used to fly from FRA hub to WAW, BUD, LED, OTP and more. They also served some destinations direct from JFK, for example WAW with A310...

Regards,
LO231



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User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 927 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11421 times:

Quoting StarGoldLHR (Reply 22):
Air Canada could be a contender ?
They fly many continents.

Checked them out at: http://www.aircanada.com/en/travelinfo/destinations/maps/map.html.
and was surprised at their network. Not comparable with the old Pan Am in South America and Africa; but very similar, at least in reach (the maps of course give no idea of frequency ) elsewhere. A very impressive airline!


25 SparkingWave : Who is the Pan Am of today? There is no Pan Am of today. Period. SparkingWave ~~~
26 Tockeyhockey : the only US airline that comes close to PanAm's reach is CO. look at their route map -- they go just about everywhere the old PanAm did.
27 Post contains links and images Braniff1960 : Pan Am had acquired years of knowledge serving such remote locations in all parts of the world, they had local contacts in the hotel industry, tourist
28 Cs03 : "You Can"t Beat The Experience, Pan Am" (Ad "lingo" 1980 s) says it all, period!
29 DeltaDAWG : Does anybody remember that it was Pan Am that invented or rolled out "Economy Class" via Juan Trippe to entice more people to fly? With that being sai
30 UA868 : Nothing like that restaurant on the upper decks of those 747's. Not even BA would be close to being in the same category as PanAm. It is simpy another
31 Post contains images BR715-A1-30 : What a joke of a route map. So broken.
32 United787 : If CO and UA merged, I think the combined airline could be comprable to what PanAm was, but better. I am not suggesting that this would or should ever
33 ContinentalGuy : Where is Bedford, Massachusetts in relation to Boston?
34 NW747-400 : Did the original PA have any orders for late model Boeings before folding? IE 744/757/767
35 Dtwclipper : As far as I know, no. They were moving in an Airbus direction at the time.
36 UA772IAD : I don't know if and how Pan Am got away with this, but I was looking at the History section of United's website and I noticed that during WWII, The Ko
37 Piercey : Listen, I'm honestly sick of all these threads! Who is the next Pan American World Airways, Trans World Airlines, Eastern, Western, Braniff, etc... TH
38 Qazar : The way I see it is that Pan Am was the WOW of airlines in its days... Everything it did and was - would be described by WOW! From the variety of airc
39 KBGRbillT : PA doesn't fly to Asia now!!!
40 Letsgetwet : I agree ......they will fold , just like Pan Am did.
41 Apodino : BED is about 15 miles to the WNW of Boston, right near Lexington and Concord, and very close to 128-95, which is the inner beltway around Boston. The
42 SparkingWave : The poster probably meant UA and not PA. SparkingWave ~~~
43 NZ8800 : There may never be another PanAm. I cannot think of any current airline that not only has comparable routes, but also comparable status.
44 YULYMX : Routes wise UA could come close... Asia, australia, Europe,
45 Panamair : Amen to that. Airlines today can replicate the hardware, the routes, etc., but the intangibles are all gone now. Do we think the Singapore Girl can h
46 Post contains images BCAL : I am not wishing to be direspectful, but if you are sick of all these threads, don't read them. Last time I looked they were not compulsory reading,
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