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VS, BA, GF Or LH To JNB?  
User currently offlineVarig_dc10 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 360 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7104 times:

I've been getting prices together for a return trip from England to Johannesburg.

GF is coming out the cheapest, but it's a bit of a long trip. Leaves NCL at 6:00am and arrives JNB at 5:50 the following morning, via LHR and BAH. On the plus side, I'd get to clock an A330-200.

LH times are better, via DUS and FRA, and I'd get to clock a BAe 146-300 and a Canadair CRJ-200.

I've been on BA and VS before and I know the service on both is pretty good. Never been on an A340-600, so that would make a change if I went with VS.

What are LH and GF like?

Regards,

varig_dc10

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User currently offlineStarGuy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

VS. Definitely VS. The IFE alone is worth it and our A346s are gorgeous. Always have very positive comments from passengers on JNB flights.

User currently offlineVarig_dc10 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 1):
our A346s are gorgeous.

True... some of the FA's aren't bad either.

It's interesting how much cheaper (approx £880 versus £580) a VS return starting in JNB is compared to a VS return starting in NCL.

I get regular trips home, so I might book LH from NCL in August, with a return in May 2007. Then book my trips home on VS, starting in JNB.

varig_DC10


User currently offlineStarGuy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 7087 times:

Quoting Varig_dc10 (Reply 2):
True... some of the FA's aren't bad either.

Yeah, I'm not bad! Lol! Only kidding. The girls I work with are gorgeous.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7078 times:
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I just did JNB-LHR-JNB on SAA, 744 there and 346 back. Great service, good food, good IFE (AVOD), pity about the delayed departure from JNB due to problems with the No 2 thrust reverser but apart from that it was a good trip. I know SAA is expensive but if price is the issue then take the cheap flight on GF. Did you check EK?


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User currently offlineVarig_dc10 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 7055 times:

SAA is another airline I've always fancied trying, but they cost another £200 on top of VS and BA. I was also looking at using the LH ticket (code share) to catch one of their A340-600's from FRA. But the minute you select an SA flight, the LH ticket price goes up significantly.

The problem with EK is that I can't find a website which will give me a single price from NCL to JNB. All I have been able to get so far is one price for the BA section (NCL to/from LHR) and another for the EK sector (LHR to/from JNB).
Can anybody tell me a website which will provide both as a single price?

Andz, do you know any decent booking websites in South Africa. I've tried Flight Centre, but you have to email them your route details. They don't provide a price on-line.

Regards,
varig_dc10.

PS StarGuy... I knew I should have stuck the word 'female' in there somewhere.


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7032 times:
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Varig I can't say I do, I usually have all my flight arrangements made for me! I flew 346 LHR-JNB this past week, I'm sure you could get a 346 flight on SAA without having to go via FRA.


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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6949 times:

Personally speaking I would go on GF. Their service is exceptional and 2nd to none. The 332's are great because they have PTV's (lacking in LH) and they have a bigger seat pitch in economy than BA, VS and LH. Also, the scenery when landing in BAH is really amazing, especially the reefs.

Well worth going the longer way with quality than going the fastest way and not enjoying the comfort and service if you ask me.

Is you could not go on GF then my 2nd option would be BA as they were voted airline of the year by Skytrax. LH would be my last option.


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6948 times:

Quoting Varig_dc10 (Reply 5):
I was also looking at using the LH ticket (code share) to catch one of their A340-600's from FRA. But the minute you select an SA flight, the LH ticket price goes up significantly.

I can certainly understand why...  Wink

Interestingly enough, the price doesn't change a bit if you book them from within Germany - regardless of whether you take a "real" LH flight or the (greatly preferrable) SAA flight with LH flight number.

Interesting to read that SAA is so expensive in the UK - over here, they're usually cheaper than LH (that is if you book SAA-flightnumbers instead of SAA flights with LH flightnumbers) - combined with better service and comfort, it makes the choice between those two quite easy.



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User currently offlineABfemme From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6925 times:

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 1):
VS. Definitely VS

I would have to agree there, either them or LH - Brilliant Airline.


User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6897 times:

Quoting Varig_dc10 (Reply 5):
SAA is another airline I've always fancied trying, but they cost another �200 on top of VS and BA. I was also looking at using the LH ticket (code share) to catch one of their A340-600's from FRA. But the minute you select an SA flight, the LH ticket price goes up significantly.

Take the CPT-LHR vv flight. It is daily and operated with 346. JNB-LHR vv. are mainly on a 744 and within the next few weeks, no regular 346 is scheduled on this sector.



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User currently offlineVarig_dc10 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6879 times:

I got my flights booked on Monday. Ended up doing the following route:

LH-4951 - NCL-DUS - CRJ-200


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LH-813 - DUS-FRA - BAe 146-300


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LH-572 - FRA-JNB - 747-400


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LH-573 - JNB-FRA - 747-400


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LH-800 - FRA-DUS - 737-500


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LH-4952 - DUS-NCL - CRJ-200


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The best thing about this route is that I get to clock the CRJ-100, the BAe 146-300 and the 737-500, which I have never flown before. Normally LH-800 is operated by an A319. But for some reason it's a 735 on the day I fly.

I was actually advised by a German not to fly LH, because he thought they were rubbish. But I just like trying different airlines, whether they are good or bad.

Reckon I'll still have to do another two return trips to Jo'burg, so I'll have to work out who else to try next. Apparently AF are going to start using 777's from CDG, so I might even try flying with them again. Emirates is also another option.

Thanks for all your advice,

varig_dc10


User currently offlineMatt72033 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 12 hours ago) and read 6865 times:

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 1):
our A346s are gorgeous

how did i know you were cabin crew after reading that bit  Wink


User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6850 times:

Quoting Varig_dc10 (Reply 11):
Apparently AF are going to start using 777's from CDG, so I might even try flying with them again.

I also heard that, which is just great news for the JNB route. Those 77W are amazing and sure beat the 744s. Next up, it's just KLM and LH who have to get some IFE on the JNB route.  Wink

-Will



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User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6832 times:

I hope you are not economy on LH744... its among the worst for legroom in the industry. Almost shameful to say the least... like i would pay GBP200 to avoid it any time of the day or night.

User currently offlineJetBlueAUS From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

VS.

Heard a lot of good things about them.



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User currently offlineVarig_dc10 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6806 times:

Quoting ZKNBX (Reply 14):
I hope you are not economy on LH744...

I am in economy.

But like I said before, I'd just like to try it for myself.

varig_dc10.


User currently offlineZKNBX From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 464 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6791 times:

varig_dc10. Don't say I didn't warn you. OK? I don't know anybody who would willingly put themselves through LH B744 Y class again. I guess on the brightside, you can laugh about it because it is so awful! And regardless of what I say, you will be surprised for the worse!

User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6773 times:

Wait, VS sends the A343 to JNB, not the A346 last time I looked.

User currently offlineStarGuy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6750 times:

VS operates the A346 to JNB all year round.

User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6748 times:

Quoting StarGuy (Reply 19):
VS operates the A346 to JNB all year round.

Did this start recently?? As of last September, they were operating the A343 and 747 during peak periods.


User currently offlineStarGuy From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6729 times:

Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 20):
Did this start recently?? As of last September, they were operating the A343 and 747 during peak periods.

I'm not sure when it started but I flew as crew on the A346 back in June and it is scheduled to stay that way.


User currently offlineVarig_dc10 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6700 times:

Due to the new restrictions in place at British Airports, all hand luggage must go in the hold, including laptops.

I'm a bit concerned about sending my laptop all the way to JNB in the hold. The last couple of times I've flown to JNB, my cases have been cracked.
So I was thinking of retrieving my hold luggage at FRA.

Assuming my hold baggage makes the connection at DUS, I will have 4.5 hours to get through security at FRA, retrieve my hold luggage, check it back in again, then get back through security for my flight to JNB.

What is security like at FRA normally? Will 4.5 hours be enough time?

Thanks,

varig_dc10


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6687 times:
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Quoting Varig_dc10 (Reply 22):
What is security like at FRA normally? Will 4.5 hours be enough time?

I have found FRA to be the fastest in and out airport I have been through. Baggage claim seems quick (maybe because it is such a long way to walk that the baggage gets there before you!) and security going out is pretty quick too.

Disclaimer: this was before the current step up in alerts, but I think 4 and a half hours should be plenty.

You are right to be concerned, it might make it safely all the way here and then be swiped by the baggage handlers.



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User currently offlineVarig_dc10 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6665 times:

Thanks for the info Andz.

varig_dc10


25 Varig_dc10 : ZKNBX, The seat I had on the 747 from FRA to JNB wasn't that bad. It didn't feel any worse than the one I had on KLM a few months back. I thought the
26 Musapapaya : If what you said is true then LH must have closed down already!
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