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Better OZ Domestic: V-Blue Or Qantas?  
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Flame me if you think this belongs in the TR room or simply answer the questions posed:

- Mrs. 777fan and I are planning on doing some intra-OZ flights this fall and were wondering if anyone had any insight into Virgin Blue versus Qantas. We don't plan on doing enough flying to justify purchasing a pass...

- Secondly, we'll be flying into SYD from AKL and will need to process customs, collect our bags, etc. How long can we expect this ordeal to take? I seem to recall reading some horror stories about long lines at SYD.


Any input would be greatly appreciated!


777fan


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User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
Flame me if you think this belongs in the TR room or simply answer the questions posed

I think its in the right forum

As for the domestic service, ive only flown BNE-SYD-BNE. BNE-SYD on a QF 767 and SYD-BNE on a DJ 737 both flights only an hour or so, personally i found the Virgin Blue flight better, crew seemed jolly, plane was in excellent condition, nice comfortable leather seats, the QF flight plane looked old, crew didnt look too happy, and the inflight meal was more or less thrown at you as they had to feed everyone on such a short flight, the second time around i flew BNE-SYD-BNE i flew Virgin both ways!

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User currently offlineHansieAMS From Australia, joined Dec 2003, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

I've done a number of flights on both.

I'd say the DJ flights are more "fun", The crew is making funny announcements, dressing up in garbagebags etc etc. Their planes are good, clean and their turnaround is very efficient. QF has nicer boarding areas, some sort of free food/drinks and IFE on some flights. I've found crew just as nice.

I've so far let the choice between the two only be influnced by price or scheduel.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Initial research showed that a SYD-MEL roundtrip for two can be purchased for as low as $375US on Virgin Blue. I haven't looked at QF yet because we'd prefer to earn Star Alliance miles if at all possible.

Thanks for the early responses.

777fan



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User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3374 times:

you can get a SYD-MEL roundtrip far, far cheaper than that on Virgin. Like less than half that price.

Have you tried booking through their website? Fare cheaper than going through an independent booking engine.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 4):
you can get a SYD-MEL roundtrip far, far cheaper than that on Virgin. Like less than half that price.

Have you tried booking through their website? Fare cheaper than going through an independent booking engine.

I just did! Booked a SYD-MEL roundtrip (two pax) on Virgin for $308USD. The return trip qualified for the midweek escape fare ($85AUS). That compared with $444USD on Qantas (what a rip job!)...

Can anyone tell me how long I should expect to take to deboard a flight at SYD (from AKL), process customs, pick up my bags and then check in on V-Blue? I left 2 hrs and 45 min between the flights...


777fan



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3322 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

Virgin Blue is a much better domestic carrier.

Who cares about lounges etc when you only need to be at the airport 30 mins before your flight.

Better still, do an online check in the night before, have your boarding pass, and away you go.

too easy with DJ!


User currently offlineBroocy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

2hrs45mins should be enough. The lines at Sydney are long, but as an Australian citizen, I get through them with baggage collection in about 20 minutes or so average. The customs staff always seem eager to process passengers as quickly as possible.

At Sydney the domestic and international terminals are quite distant from each other. You'll need to take your own bags to the domestic terminal via the train as DJ doesn't offer through checking and transfers like QF. The trains go regularly and cost about AUD5 each for the 1-2 min ride. (And you were accusing QF of being a rip off!) Taxis may not take you, or charge an exorbitant fee for such a short journey.

You won't earn Star Alliance points on DJ as they are not part of an Alliance.


User currently offlineJoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3285 times:

If you are only flying domesticly in Australia, you might as well fly with Virgin. Their planes are all nice, with an average age of less than 3 years. Sure there is no food, but you dont get much on QF domestic either.

Most QF domestic flights would be 737 apart from most Mel-syd and syd-bne.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3272 times:
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What airline are you flying into SYD from AKL on? If it is LA or QF, your best bet would be to go with QF, as you can get your boarding pass in AKL and get your luggage transfered through to the final destination. If you were going with DJ you would have collect your baggage at SYD, go to a seperate terminal all-together, check in again, and re-check your luggage!

QF are ok. They have free meals, 31" seat pitch, IFE on overhead LCD screens, FFP points e.t.c

DJ are the best probably on terms of in-flight service. They have leather, 32" seats, buy on board meals, you can hire a dvd player on selected routes and they fly an all 737 new generation fleet, so you don't run the risk of getting put onto one of the old QF 734's or 763's. You can also earn points on DJ through their own FFP programme called velocity. On this programme, miles can also be earned through Emirates and many other major companies.

If I was you I would go with DJ, but that's my personaly opinion

Check out both of their websites :
VirginBlue : www.virginblue.com.au
Qantas : www.qantas.com.au


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3263 times:

Fun topic but this belongs in the Polls & Preferences forum, not Civil Aviation nor Trip Reports.

User currently offlineDJ738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks ago) and read 3215 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 9):
What airline are you flying into SYD from AKL on? If it is LA or QF, your best bet would be to go with QF, as you can get your boarding pass in AKL and get your luggage transfered through to the final destination. If you were going with DJ you would have collect your baggage at SYD, go to a seperate terminal all-together, check in again, and re-check your luggage!

No... Any transferring pax from an international flight into Australia onto a domestic flight requires the collection of your baggage and the clearance of customs / quarantine before you re-check for your domestic sector.

This isn't something that is airline-specific, it is, quite simply all about the customs and quarantine laws of international travel.


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3183 times:

I vote for DJ As well. For a start the check-in queue is always much shorter over at DJ than QF ... and often if you use the check-in kiosks at DJ there's no queue at all.

For SYD-PER though I might be tempted to go on a QF widebody rather than a DJ 737, but that's just being pedantic.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3110 times:

Quoting Broocy (Reply 7):
You won't earn Star Alliance points on DJ as they are not part of an Alliance.

Yeah, I figured that out after checking *A's site earlier today but I swear someone mentioned they were online to join up at least as a regional alliance...oh well!

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 9):
What airline are you flying into SYD from AKL on

We're flying AZ from AKL to SYD. If we were flying QF, this would've been a no-brainer.

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 10):
Fun topic but this belongs in the Polls & Preferences forum, not Civil Aviation nor Trip Reports.

Thanks for raining on our parade! FWIW, I also asked about the customs and immigration at SYD to which I've received some very useful info (thanks Broocy).



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3102 times:
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Quoting 777fan (Reply 13):
We're flying AZ from AKL to SYD

Alitalia don't fly this route. They don't even fly to this continent! Do you mean AR?


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Nope, sorry, I meant Air New Zealand (NZ)! Needless to say, it'd make for an interesting trip report if I managed to fly Alitalia on that route - can you imagine AKL-SYD via FCO?!


777fan



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
Secondly, we'll be flying into SYD from AKL and will need to process customs, collect our bags, etc. How long can we expect this ordeal to take? I seem to recall reading some horror stories about long lines at SYD.

It will depend entirely on the time of day and how many other flights are processing. I have gone through in 10 minutes from aircraft to landside (most of which was spent waiting for the luggage to come off), and other times it has taken over half an hour. To be safe, and allow plenty of time, I'd say give it at least two hours between arrival and departure...

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 14):
Do you mean AR?

Or NZ?

Quoting 777fan (Reply 3):
we'd prefer to earn Star Alliance miles

United Airlines codeshares on some Virgin Blue flights, so if you buy a UA ticket, you should get Star Alliance points. Of course, you may not be able to get as cheap a fare with UA as with DJ - you'd have to check.

Quoting 777fan (Thread starter):
any insight into Virgin Blue versus Qantas.

As others have said, it is really six in one, half a dozen in the other. Qantas offer a few more frills (meals, video screens in the cabin, etc), but you will generally pay more. Probably the best advice is just find the cheapest flight, and spend the money you save on something nice for Mrs 777fan  Wink. Because all flights are priced one way here, you can always try out both airlines too... You may also want to give Rex a look if they fly to somewhere you want to. I've enjoyed every flight I've taken with them.

V/F



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 16):
United Airlines codeshares on some Virgin Blue flights, so if you buy a UA ticket, you should get Star Alliance points. Of course, you may not be able to get as cheap a fare with UA as with DJ - you'd have to check.

I attempted to book it on UA's website but they apparently don't codeshare on that route since it didn't even show up; I'm assuming it has something to do with the US to SYD flights that continue onto MEL. No big deal. Our flight from AKL arrives at about 1030; we booked our V-Blue SYD-MEL to depart at 1315.

Thanks a ton for your advice.


777fan



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