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User currently offlineOhBoyIFly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Hi all, Im sure this subject has been touched on here many times, im still new to the forum so excuse me if its an old subject. Anyway here goes.
You guessed it my biggest fear in flying is hitting turbulence. Example earlier this week coming in from NCL to CPH on a small 2 by 2 plane we hit some of the worst turbulence I have had in years. The guy next to me turned as white as I did. We were warned in advanace that it was going to be "bumpy" as we were landing, but this really beat the biscut. The plane seemed to swing wildly from left to right, I almost cra+++ed myself. Question is how dangerous is turbulence ? I read all the time that planes are built to withstand this kind of thing ... when I was sat on that plane (small 2 by 2 Cimber Air flight) it felt very frail like I was in a Lego Built plane. I have to fly alot and usually love it until we hit bad weather. Any imput would be appreciated. Thanks  Smile

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User currently offlineAlaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

don't worry mate... its all good!!!
I've heard that ABOUT 98% of crashes happen during take off and landing... so don't worry about it to much.

my mum HATES turbulence she grabs onto the armrest and puts all her wait against the back of the seat... she gets mean as scared.

Try to fly on the new 787... new technology, should cut down on turbulence!!  Smile (just watch now I'll have people telling me its not really new technology Wink) but at any rate I wouldn't get to worried about it, I just listen to music and think about other stuff.
~Cheers mate-
~~Kyle H.
welcome to A.NET... enjoy!



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User currently offlineBoeingOnFinal From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 1):
(just watch now I'll have people telling me its not really new technology Wink)

I'm not gonna tell you it's not new technology, I'm going to tell you that Mr. OhBoyIFly here probably wants to go flying before 2010  Smile

I also think about the wings of the plane, when it hit's turbulence, how they are so flexible. But I think that if you learn how the plane is build up, your fear will go away, cause you will se how strong the aircraft really is.

And also look at some tests, how much they can handle. I don't know that kind of information, but it's nothing that a search on google won't find.



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User currently offlineStrasserB From Singapore, joined Nov 2005, 1541 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 2):
but it's nothing that a search on google won't find.

I did so and one of the first hits is:

"Aircraft lost its wings and tail"
http://planenews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3058

Ooops ...  Smile



Still, even in the most arid desert is an airport somewhere ...
User currently offlineBoeingOnFinal From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

You really know to post the right things, to get fear to dissappear, don't you  Smile

That's why it's nice to fly aircrafts which you know have been testet through decades, and have had very few mecanical failures.



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User currently offlineAlaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 2):
I'm not gonna tell you it's not new technology, I'm going to tell you that Mr. OhBoyIFly here probably wants to go flying before 2010

hehehe, true.

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 2):
I also think about the wings of the plane, when it hits turbulence, how they are so flexible. But I think that if you learn how the plane is build up, your fear will go away, cause you will See how strong the aircraft really is.

Its good if the wings flex!!! and it seems that the A340 wings bounce up and down in turbulence alot.
~Cheers-
~~Kyle H.



to some people the sky is the limit, to aviation enthusiasts, its home!
User currently offlineStrasserB From Singapore, joined Nov 2005, 1541 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 4):
get fear to dissappear

To be honest ...
It's not so easy to find a turbulence-related report that doesn't begin or end up with a plain (unfounded) horror scenario in the internet.
Finally here is a good one:

http://www.blogsouthwest.com/2006/06/08/turbulence/

OhBoyIFly, I hope that you'll enjoy your flights at any time.

 Smile  Smile



Still, even in the most arid desert is an airport somewhere ...
User currently offlineDimoko From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 307 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

i used to be somewhat afraid of it, but flying is so ruitine for me now that bad thoughts dont even cross my mind. i am more worried about the people coming to pick me up, or my car battery being dead in the parking lot than the plane.

and besides, its all out of your hands at that point, whats going to happen is going to happen, weather or not you worry about it or not.



"I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I needed to be." -- Douglas Adams
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

Welcome to A.net! My dad, who was a pilot, explained it to me this way when I was a kid. I hope it's a good analogy.

Imagine you're riding in a small sports car with very stiff suspension with your eyes closed. You swear it feels like the driver is off the road or climbing every kerb in sight. Then you open your eyes and see that those bumps are just normal expansion joints and little cracks in the road. Now imagine you're riding on the same road in a lorry. You don't feel all the bumps. The ones you do feel are bearly noticeable.

When you're riding in the sports car and don't have perspective of the size of the bumps, they feel huge. When you're flying in a small airplane, you feel more turbulence and it feels terrible. But, when you're flying in a larger aircraft, like a 737 or A320, the same turbulence doesn't feel as bad. In a 747 or A380, you feel it even less.

As others have said, airplanes are built to be tough. Those 747 wing tips may be flapping up and down 20 feet and you swear they're going to break off. Actually, those wings are designed to safely move an additional 20 feet before failing.

IIRC, you can count on your fingers the total number of times a commercial aircraft has crashed due to turbulence.

Mark


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9619 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Turbulence is not dangerous in most situations. It can cause problems if people don't keep their seat belt fasten, especially when they are not following the guidlines of the safety seat belt sign.

As far as small planes go, I used to be afraid of turbulence. I was nervous at first during my private pilot training in a Cessna 172. My instructor knew this and tried to convince me that the plane wants to fly level and straight and that it will. Yes you will get bounced around, but the plane will correct itself. However it is hard to convince you of that. I'm an engineer, but still I can relate to your feelings that a small plane seems very weak. Afterall it is lighter than even some very small cars at only 2500lbs.

But my instructor finally did something to cure me of my anxiety. We were flying near some ridges on a hot sunny afternoon, so he knew it would be very turbulent. And then he took his hands off the controls. He just sat there while we were getting bounced around and did nothing to prevent or correct it. It must have only been a minute or two, but it felt like an eternity. But we kept flying straight. The plane was fine, and after feeling very uncomfortable, I realized that we were fine. So after that turbulence didn't bother me much. I hate falling and still hate performing stalls even though I am very competent at performing them and recovering, but turbulence isn't very scary. The plane is designed to handle it and it can. Those airplanes can take a whole lot more than your body can. And that is true from everything from a Cessna 152 to a 747.



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User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Turbulence used to scare the crap out of me, especially on takeoff and in flight. but i read this book called "Everything you ever wanted to know about Flying" and it really helped, now i love turbulence especially on landing, it is so much fun and makes a long flight less boring.

User currently offlineOhBoyIFly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Hello all, thanks for the replies, I think it was just that 1 bad flight I had last week which really make me uneasy, aint felt that for years. Its not (and cant) stop me from flying which i normally really enjoy. - )

User currently offlineOhBoyIFly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Quoting BoeingOnFinal (Reply 2):

Well it will be good when it arrives, and yep I have a few more flights I need to take before 2010  Wink


User currently offlineOhBoyIFly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 8):

Thats a good way of putting it AsstChiefMark , I should read over that next time we hit the bumps, I think also it is because we kind of fly blind, we cant see whats ahead of us, only whats to the left and right. I remember doing some BA short haul flights that had live video from the front cockpit view, made all the difference. Good one though thanks


User currently offlineOhBoyIFly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Quoting StrasserB (Reply 6):

That was a really good read StrasserB, I also imagine that the pilots are sat their fighting with the controls when we hit Turbulence. Cheers  Smile


User currently offlineMechEngineer From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Quote:
I should read over that next time we hit the bumps.

I was worried about turbulence until the day I went to see the Eurofighter structural test fuselage in its "torture chamber" at IAGB in Ottobrunn/Munich. The hydraulic pistons were bending the entire airframe and wings to and fro by up to two feet, and had been for a thousand hours. It sounded really horrible: grooooan-taktaktak-grooooan-taktaktak...
Of course a fighter is not an airliner, but the fatigue they can take is similar.

If a plane had to flap its wings to fly, like a bird, it structurally could, so don't worry about turbulence.



Heavier-than-air flying machines...
User currently offlineBoeingOnFinal From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

That is nice to hear!

Although, I'm wondering about how the wings are mounted to the fuselage. Are the wings connected to eachother through the fuselage?



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2536 times:

I was also scared sh*tless the first few times I flew coz of the turbbulence. The more I flew, the less I became scared and eventually, I don't even think about it anymore now that I fly twice a week. I just think it's something you out-grow eventually.

User currently offlineUsAirways16bwi From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

The wings wont just "pop" off. And even if they do come off in flight, just be satisfied with the idea that you wont be alive much longer to be afraid of that.

Modern jets of today are built to withstand way worse turbulence than you have experienced. If the turbulence level was at even 80% of what the plane can withstand, it would most likely cause alot more harm to your body that it would to the plane.

In most cases, turbulence isnt dangerous at all. But in some cases, it can be very dangerous, like if a plane flys under a strong downdraft. But technology exists today that lets pilots avoid that kind of trouble.


User currently offlineMechEngineer From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

Quote:
Although, I'm wondering about how the wings are mounted to the fuselage. Are the wings connected to eachother through the fuselage?

No, the usual design is the "wingbox", a structure built of a large number of different parts that sits in the middle of the fuselage. It is a "box" so it is comparatively stiff in all three dimensions and lightweight at the same time. The structural parts that build the wings are extensions of the wingbox. A structural engineer could explain this better, of course.

If you've ever wondered why the "old fashioned" method of assembling parts with rivets is still used for aircraft, it's because they allow the adjacent parts to move a bit in relation to each other, making the airframe flexible.
(lecturing mode OFF)



Heavier-than-air flying machines...
User currently offlineNHGrafx From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 198 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

If you're worried about turbulence causing planes to crash, then don't watch a particular scene in the movie "The Day After Tomorrow".

But as everyone else has said, its not a problem for the airplane. My first flight was in a Cessna 172 along the beach and the turbulence there was horrible, much more pronounced then in a large airliner. It was like being in an aluminum can being kicked and tossed around, but it didn't bother me, so airline sized planes and turbulence, I don't really even notice it.



Is it weird I have a RemoveBeforeFlight pitot cover on my car rear view mirror?
User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2499 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

On a related note, it's not a great day to be flying over North Dakota, Montana or the southern tip of Louisiana:

http://adds.aviationweather.gov/data/pireps/pireps_US_TB.gif


777fan



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User currently offlineRipdog From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

I`ve bounced around pretty good flying out of MCO and TPA over the years, especially during those great summer months. I enjoy the feel of flying, grew up with tail-draggers. Smooth flights bore me.

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Hi!

On the 7th. July 2006 when I was on my way from EWR to BOG and close to BOG our captain said that we needed to "buckle up" because we were going to pass a heavy turbulence area...soon our 737-700 started to "shake" all over, every screw and bolt "shaked" I'm sure, then I looked outside it was a very dark night but suddenly the lightnings were so big that for a 1 or 2 seconds it was day like I was in a desert.....pretty interesting. A young colombian lady that was by my side was speechless until we landed. Then I asked if she was ok and she said that after we had to be grounded at EWR due to a problem in one of the engines and after that heavy thunderstorm she was affraid that our plane was gonna crash!!!!
regards


User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 933 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

The only things I'm afraid of in an airplane are spinning and stalling with the autopilot on. (Those who use FS2004 know what I mean...)
Turbulence is really fun though! It's like riding on a rollercoaster, more or less.



"There is an art, or rather a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
25 Post contains images YYZflyer : I'm not scared of turbulance at all. I've flown on aircraft my entire life, so I'm used to it. Well as long as I don't see pieces of the aircraft trai
26 AirWillie6475 : May I suggest the search button? Anyways, a good tip when you are going through turbulence is to not sit back on your seat or hold the armrests. This
27 Copenhagenboy : Most funny I have seen whas when some chield were laughing during a big turbulense, then the grown up men and girls just relaxed
28 ThrottleHold : Have any of those posters saying "I love turbulence...", "...it's a laugh...", "...turb is great fun.." etc really ever experienced severe turbulence?
29 Post contains images SA006 : Turbulence is a part of flying. The only big danger that turbulence presents is Clear Air Turbulence (CAT). This turbulence cannot be picked up on rad
30 Alaska737 : i agree i like turbulence in small A/C way better, give me a dash 8 or a 737 and bring 'er on!!!! and yes i have been in severe turbulence twice, onc
31 Boston92 : See, I don't know what severe turbulence is. Maybe what I think is bad, really isn't so bad, or maybe what I feel is bad, really is bad. I think the
32 Alaska737 : the only reason i knew was because in both instances the pilot told us
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