Xaphan From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 129 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4558 times:
Delta 747s had 70 F and 300 Y this includes the upper deck seat which could be used during takeoffs and landings. Delta's DC 8 51s had 36F 99Y which also included the 6 seats in the forward "lounge" area which was always sold and assigned. DC 9 14s had 28F and 45Y which for a plane of its size was quite a few.
Broocy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4543 times:
The question is a little vague. First class can mean a number of things from a deluxe sleeper bed/cabin on some intercontinental flights to seat that is not much more than an economy one on a short haul flight. Also, first class has changed over time, so those 66 seats on a 747 on AA were probably not much more than a premium economy seat today. Concorde had 100 seats, but while they were not first class in dimension, the service was above and beyond.
In terms of proportion of the available cabin space, first class had its peak in the 1950's and 1960's when whole aircraft like Britannias or Constellations could be configured in a 100% first class configuration. The original configurations for the 707/727 often had over half the floor space devoted to first class.
One also has to look at the likes of Maxjet, EOS and the other all premium carriers flying the Atlantic. Who can forget MGM Grand Air either on the glamourous LAX-JFK flights?
Maybe you could refine the question. Are you talking floor space, proportion of passengers or simply over numbers of passengers flying up front?
AY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 510 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4509 times:
In the early to mid 70's, Western Airlines had 46 seats in it's DC10 F-Class. Out of YVR, the aircraft was used to LAX and HNL. Later on, they reduced it to 26 seats, with a kind of table in the centre part, with facing chairs to make kind of a lounge. Sorry I can't describe that better, it is soooo long ago. I think, even in the latter years of the L1011, Delta had about 40 F-Class seats.
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LAst time I saw a concord it was sitting in a museum so I would put it under past, plus the seats them selves weren't First class sty;e, althuogh the service was. (never got to try it myself, but know some one who did) BA had a deal going when the concord was retiring that you could fly the concord one way and first class on a normal jet the other way.
Virgin Atlantic A340s have up to 48 upper class seats, although these are a "business class seat," not First class.
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HKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4364 times:
Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 8): LAst time I saw a concord it was sitting in a museum so I would put it under past, plus the seats them selves weren't First class sty;e, althuogh the service was
Exactly my thoughts when I saw the AF Concorde at Sinsheim ... those seats barely pass for premium economy these days, never mind J or F. Premium "first-class" travel has come a long way since Concorde first flew.
Concorde, whilst a magnificent aircraft which I flew on a couple of occasions did not have what I would call a "First Class" seat. Comfortable as it was for the short 3hr trip across the pond it was too small to be called a true first class seat. The aircraft, food etc was however first class.
Cornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3576 times:
Well of course you have to first identify what is a true first class product. The problem is that often a business class product is called first class in two class configurations.
US domestic is an obvious area where what is called First is most definitely not First in the true sense of the word. It is exactly the same as what European operators call business class.
On long haul flights, many airlines with only a two class product refer to the premium product as First class when the reality is it is the equivalent of other carriers business class - Air Canada was mentioned above, they have a business class product not a first class product on long haul.
It can even vary within an airline itself. In my old IATA days, Continental used to report their monthly international traffic stats to me. On their Transatlantic routes their premium traffic was reported as business class, yet on their South american routes it was reported as First class, despite the product being identical for both regions !!
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