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Topic: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: United777
Posted 2003-03-17 09:25:56 and read 3259 times.

Anybody know of any airline canceling routes around Iraq due to the possible war with the US and it's allies. I know Air China has cancelled Kuwait. I think the war will affect El Al Israel, Kuwait Airways, Saudi Arabian Airlines and Royal Jordanian Airlines the most.

After today March 16th I think we could all pretty much say war is just a few days away. Are airlines givin advanced notice when the war will begin so they can plan and cancel flights around the region.

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: Aroundtheworld
Posted 2003-03-17 09:30:06 and read 3250 times.

I think the only airline that will get advanced notice of a war will be the US Air Force and Navy....and that'll be there notice to start their new non-stop routes from the middle of the Persian Gulf to Baghdad.

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: Artsyman
Posted 2003-03-17 09:35:32 and read 3245 times.

Look for 8% cuts in the Continental schedule

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: ChrisEMA
Posted 2003-03-17 09:38:58 and read 3239 times.

I just saw on the BA website that some schedules are cancelled and most flights to the region (Kuwait etc) are being routed through Larnaca.

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: Rick767
Posted 2003-03-17 10:15:23 and read 3222 times.

"most flights to the region (Kuwait etc) are being routed through Larnaca"

I think this has been mentioned before but this is just so that the crew don't have to stopover in the Gulf, changeovers and nightstops are now all in Cyprus.

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: Manzoori
Posted 2003-03-17 12:02:45 and read 3175 times.

Hmmmm... any ideas if transcontinental flights will be affected? I'm due to fly BA from LHR to Chek Lap Kok on the 20th April and the impending hostilites has got me worried!

Anyone know if BA's 744's fly anywhere near the affected region or if it's going to be a polar route?

Cheers!

Rez
 Wink/being sarcastic

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: 747-fan
Posted 2003-03-19 09:34:19 and read 3053 times.

How will the LHR to SIN route be affected?

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: Brons2
Posted 2003-03-19 09:41:06 and read 3044 times.

I just saw on the BA website that some schedules are cancelled and most flights to the region (Kuwait etc) are being routed through Larnaca.

I saw on KLM's web site that some of their flights are stopping there too. Another flight stops in Turkey. This is to change crews so that the airline does not have to leave crews in cities that are nearer to the hostilities, it seems.

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: Mandala499
Posted 2003-03-19 16:00:55 and read 2990 times.

Manzoori,

Normally LHR-HKG flights will take you over Turkey and into the Persian gulf through Iran and onto Pakistan or will go through Russia and China... depending on the winds...
If war starts, They'll just go through Western China and Russia.

SIN-LHR routes will go through what some airlines call "Middle East Contingency route". Instead of going through the Persian Gulf and north west through Iran or southwest through Saudi Arabia (then up the red sea into eastern Europe)... they'll take the route passing next to Yemen and up through the red sea... Unless the Saudi Arabians allow transcons to go through it's Oman border....

Mandala499

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: Mas777
Posted 2003-03-19 16:04:30 and read 2980 times.

Am flying to Kuala Lumpur from London on Saturday - will soon find out...

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: Swissgabe
Posted 2003-03-19 16:15:06 and read 2977 times.

As per Reuters/Yahoo biz:

LONDON, March 19 (Reuters) - Airlines around the world have
begun cutting flights as an expected war in Iraq looms.
Following are details of service changes announced by
airlines.
BRITISH AIRWAYS (London:BAY.L - News) - British Airways has suspended
flights to and from Kuwait and will suspend Tel Aviv flights
from March 20 until further notice.
KOREAN AIR (KSE:03490.KS - News) - Korean Air Co Ltd, plans to halt
flights to Dubai and Cairo if a war breaks out in Iraq and will
reduce the number of international flights to various U.S.
cities including New York, Chicago, San Francisco and Honolulu
from March 19 to May 31.
ROYAL JORDANIAN AIRLINES - Royal Jordanian said it will make
schedule changes and cancel flights to some destinations as
fewer travellers fly to the region but will still serve a "major
portion" of its over 50 European, Asian and American
destinations. RJ's four-weekly United Nations approved flights
to Baghdad will be suspended as of March 20.
SINGAPORE AIRLINES (SES:SIAL.SI - News) - Singapore Airlines will cut
weekly services to Dubai to seven from 10 due to a drop in
bookings with effect from March 24 until end of May. It also
said it would restrict the amount of cargo on some flights to
Europe to allow passenger aircraft to carry more fuel if routes
are diverted.
SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIR LINES (Zurich:SWIn.S - News) - Swiss International
Air Lines (SWIn.S) is temporarily cutting seven weekly flights
to Cairo from Zurich. Swiss flies to nine other destinations in
the region and said decisions on those would be taken based on
the daily situation.
THAI AIRWAYS (SET:THAI.BK - News) - Thai Airways International Plc said
it would suspend flights to Kuwait and Bahrain from March 20.
The airline said if military conflict was severe, it would
switch its Asia-Europe flights to five alternative routes to
avoid flying close to Iraq and Kuwait.
CYPRUS AIRWAYS (CAIR.CY) - Cypriot national carrier Cyprus
Airways suspended flights to the Gulf until Sunday, affecting
flights to Riyadh and Jeddah in Saudi Arabia, and Dubai and
Bahrain.

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: MightyFalcon
Posted 2003-03-19 16:25:16 and read 2962 times.

As I posted some time ago, traffic between Europe and Asia can fly along two different routes:

The Northern route takes flights through Russia and is actually filed by about 2/3 of the airlines flying from Europe to Asia.

The last third flies along the Southern route going through the Middle East.

On their way back to Europe, the opposite happens: 2/3 of the traffic goes through the Middle East.
This traffic will be the one affected by a war in Iraq. Muscat FIR, Bahrain southern FIR (actually covering Saudi Arabia territory), UAE FIR and Teheran FIR should not be affected and contingency plans have already been Notamed.

What is going to happen is that, once entering Muscat FIR, flights will be able either to route through Tehran FIR towards Ipahan or Bahrain southern FIR to resume flight plan routes after Riad or Cairo, depending on the destination.

The question mark is to see how many flight plans are going to be filed this way?

Regards
MightyFalcon

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: Swissgabe
Posted 2003-03-19 16:34:29 and read 2954 times.

MightyFalcon
Thai Airways informed Travel Agents in Switzerland of 5 different route possibilities between BKK-ZRH vv.

I also have been informed, that several Asian carriers want to fly as South as possible (Oman, Yemen and up to Cairo, Athens ... ) to avoid Iran air space since it could get crowded over there.

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: MightyFalcon
Posted 2003-03-19 19:01:41 and read 2908 times.

Swissgabe

My mistake, I should have used the terms trunk routes or flows instead of routes.

If you want to go further into details, then the southern route I was talking about is actually splitting into 3 others in Muscat FIR: As I wrote earlier on, one will go through Iran, another one down through Yemen to rejoin at Cairo and a third one through Bahrain FIR (over Saudi Arabia) itself splitting into another 3 routes (one to Riyadh, one to Port Said and then Cairo and the last one to Jeddah then Cairo).

Except the contingency route going through Iran, the other ones are just regular airways (definitely not the shortest but the safest ones in the M.E. these next days) !

Although I do not know pretty well the northern route, I guess we can expect some splitting there as well.

Regards
MightyFalcon

Topic: RE: Airline Flights And The Iraq War?
Username: Paulianer
Posted 2003-03-19 21:12:54 and read 2879 times.

Lufthansa has the following informations on their website so far:

Due to the current situation Lufthansa has adjusted the following flights to and from Tel Aviv, Amman, Kuwait/Dammam and Beirut on March 19, 20 and 21, 2003 (all times are local):

Tel Aviv

LH690, March 19: Frankfurt/M - Tel Aviv
LH691, March 20: Tel Aviv - Frankfurt/M
These flights are cancelled!

LH690, March 20: Frankfurt/M - Tel Aviv
LH691, March 21: Tel Aviv - Frankfurt/M
These flights are cancelled!


Amman

LH3618, March 19: Frankfurt/M - Amman
This flight will be delayed! New departure on March, 20, 09.20 hrs, arrival 14.45 hrs

LH3621, March 20: Amman - Frankfurt/M
This flight will be delayed! New departure on March, 20, 15.45 hrs, arrival 19.20 hrs


Kuwait/Dammam

LH636, March 21: Frankfurt/M - Kuwait - Dammam
This flight is cancelled!

LH637, March 21: Dammam - Kuwait - Frankfurt/M
This flight is cancelled!


Beirut

LH3622, March 20: Frankfurt/M - Beirut
This flight will be delayed! New departure on March, 21, 10.20 hrs, arrival 15.10 hrs

LH3615, March 21: Beirut - Frankfurt/M
This flight will be delayed! New departure on March, 21, 16.10 hrs, arrival 19.20 hrs

Lufthansa announces following statemant:

As of today, extended goodwill regulations will apply for Lufthansa passengers. These allow holders of tickets with limiting conditions to alter or cancel their bookings. The special provision is valid for Lufthansa flights to and from the USA and Canada, to and from the Near and Middle East, as well as to and from Israel and Turkey and is initially restricted to a period of two months.
If the customer wishes to rebook or reroute his journey, in the case of journeys not yet started he will not be charged with the rebooking fee or the fee for the issue of a new ticket. In the event of the issue of a new ticket, the full price of the original ticket will be set off against the new one. If the new ticket is more expensive, the customer will only pay the difference; if the new ticket is less expensive, he will receive a credit note which can be redeemed against the purchase of a new flight ticket.

In the case of journeys already started, the ticket can be rebooked once free of charge. The rebooking can be effected up to 24 hours prior to the originally planned departure.

In the case of the cancellation of the entire journey with a ticket that cannot normally be cancelled, the customer will receive a credit note which can be redeemed against the purchase of a new Lufthansa flight ticket. A cash refund is not possible.


Greetings
Tobi


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