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Topic: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Englandair
Posted 2003-07-03 00:18:15 and read 3661 times.

Hello,

Just read the following very interesting (but rather unlikely!) rumour on Pprune:

"hiya,sorry to add yet more cofusion but heard(just on galley FM) that European are to gain 2 ex BA 747-400 for ther winter to operate a weekly Gatwick- Sydney route.Has anybody else heard this?Be interesting to see if it materialises."  Confused  Confused  Confused


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Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: APP
Posted 2003-07-03 00:48:46 and read 3627 times.

I've read in a Gatwick newsletter that the tour company 'Austravel' are putting on Gatwick-Sydney flights for 10 weeks over the (UK) winter. This would tie in with what yoy've been hearing I guess.
Austravel may well be doing a similar operation to 'TravelCityDirect' with their Orlando flights, who are also using European 747's. (though ex. B.A. 747-200's)
Hope this helps.
APP.

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744
Username: Na
Posted 2003-07-03 09:28:46 and read 3500 times.

There are no "ex-BA 744s". BA is operating all 744s and there are no plans published to change that anytime soon.
I guess this rumour is referring to the 747-200.

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Ikarus
Posted 2003-07-03 11:18:32 and read 3438 times.

I know you can book flights on European to Sydney (a travel office has a large poster advertising "Fly to Sydney with European Airlines for ..." in their window), but I thought they're using the 4 742s they have got fom BA...

Perhaps the source of the rumour is a person who doesn't quite know all their abbreviations and uses "744" for all 747s...  Big grin There's actually quite a lot of people around who seem to do that

Regards

Ikarus

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Udo
Posted 2003-07-03 11:46:58 and read 3408 times.

Btw, is that European's new livery? Haven't seen that before, must be quite new. European stars on a British aircraft is some very bad taste...  Wink/being sarcastic


Regards
Udo

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744
Username: Na
Posted 2003-07-03 12:24:58 and read 3370 times.

I agree with Udo.
The new livery (now applied on two aircraft) is not only one, but several steps into the wrong direction. And on top it looks older than the old one. I can´t stand all these white aircraft with blue tails anymore. Hiding in the crowd, is that the right way for an underdog airline?

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Noelg
Posted 2003-07-03 12:33:55 and read 3360 times.

Anyone know what they are looking to charge?

If their £299 LGW-MCO (including 2 wks accommodation) is anything to go by, hopefully it should be substantially cheaper than the others?

Rgds,

Noel

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: MEA
Posted 2003-07-04 01:11:18 and read 3183 times.

Here is a link to an Australian website outlining European's charges & schedules:

http://www.bestflights.com.au/cgi-bin/201/flights?maindetails=5049

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Airchabum
Posted 2003-07-04 02:12:56 and read 3151 times.

According to the Austravel website fares will start at £499 rtn. Flights op from mid-Nov to mid-Jan. Anyone know whether the flights will be one-stop or two-stop?

I hate the new colours too. They must have money to waste after only having the a/c painted in the black scheme just over a year ago.

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Crosswind
Posted 2003-07-04 02:25:55 and read 3136 times.

Apparently flts op 1-stop via Colombo.
Should make an interesting stopover for the crews involved... More exciting than the more traditional Bahrain/Singapore!

CROSSWIND

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Zizou
Posted 2003-07-04 18:12:26 and read 3057 times.

Apparently its with ex-BA B747-200s. Has anyone heard the same? Also, looking at the prices (from an Australian perspective), they look the same as you would get with Qantas/BA/Singapore Airlines etc, Actually, with Malaysian Airlines you can fly to London from Sydney for some $200 AUD cheaper and also get a free night in Kuala Lumpur thrown in.

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Aussiestu
Posted 2003-07-04 21:52:59 and read 2986 times.


A mate who flies for them is really looking forward to operating one of these flights. The trip for crew is going to be 21 days and they have 6 days basically in each destination. The stop is in colombo and so would like to know whether you can book a holiday and stop of in sri lanka either way. Also are they going to operate a premium class service as well. Any help will be appreciated. Great for crews but will those old classics make the run down and back with no problems, ie technical delays?

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Airchabum
Posted 2003-07-05 03:29:18 and read 2906 times.

Hi Aussiestu

Sounds like a good trip for the crews. According to the Austravel website they are not advertising any stopovers in Columbo. They are advertising 3 classes: economy and economy plus (31in legroom) and deluxe (50in + ptv's) As for the technical reliability we'll have to wait and see but I haven't heard too many problems with them so far.

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Artsyman
Posted 2003-07-05 03:31:33 and read 2904 times.

I saw that aircraft today at LGW. I was flying on Continental 5 to IAH out of gate 23 and it was parked at I am guessing gate 19. Nice plane

Jeremy

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Jupiter2
Posted 2003-07-05 03:45:12 and read 2898 times.

Personally from the point of view of someone living in SYD it will be great to see these classics in SYD once again. Although the times aren't great beggars can't be picky !!!
Actually the times are very interesting for this end, it will be getting dark about the time it is due in, so we will all be hoping they are early, 1/2 hour would be nice. However on the departure side a half hour delay will mean it will miss the curfew, for Europeans sake I hope the aircraft are reliable (although at least 1 delay overnight would be nice).
The departures direct to CMB should be interesting, I'm guessing a 10 to 11 hour flight, with a full pax load (bugger all cargo though) will see little runway left at the point of rotation.
RL

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: LGW
Posted 2003-07-05 08:28:37 and read 2839 times.

EAL are pretty reliable, they fly LGW-SFB at weekends and are not often delayed, and if they are only by 20 mins or so. EAL 742 cam in about half an hour early yesterday morning from SFB

Ben Pritchard

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744
Username: TriStar500
Posted 2003-07-05 13:42:45 and read 2765 times.

On a side note, I think it makes a lot of sense for EAL to paint their 747 in a predominantly white scheme. Isn't their focus subleasing their aircraft to other carriers? This way they just have to apply the customer's name to an already white fuselage - saves a lot of repainting costs after the contract has been completed.

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Shamrock_747
Posted 2003-07-05 14:01:11 and read 2757 times.

EAL's main focus is doing their own charter work. Maybe you are thinking of Air Atlanta who often paint their 747s in the livery of the airline they are leasing them to.

Shamrock_747

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Aussiestu
Posted 2003-07-05 17:23:44 and read 2682 times.

Thanks for the info guys.......does anybody know flight departure times and days yet? The premium cabin will be OK depending on what they offer and how much? Sad you cannot stay in CMB as well, what a great change to the usual LAX or SIN or BKK?????

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: GDB
Posted 2003-07-05 17:26:43 and read 2683 times.

The airline was very happy with the ex-BA B747-236s, they were pleasantly surprised by their good condition.
This airline also enquired about running (presumably with BA support), Concorde charters post October.
I won't repeat myself as to why it won't and cannot happen, but it was a low-key, genuine query, not a PR motivated thing like the CEO of a certain other UK carrier indulged in.

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: UN_B732
Posted 2003-07-05 17:34:47 and read 2671 times.

What are the fares?
31in legroom in premium economy!
Normal economy must be pretty dense!
-UN

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Srilankan
Posted 2003-07-06 03:34:05 and read 2597 times.

Does anyone know European web site address? Thanks

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: EGGD
Posted 2003-07-06 14:57:38 and read 2516 times.

http://www.eaac.co.uk/

 Smokin cool

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: DoorsToManual
Posted 2003-07-06 15:25:04 and read 2503 times.

As someone else mentioned, and for those who fly down to SYD once or more a year on this Kangaroo route, the fares do not seem to be that cheap, given Austravel advertises similar fares on airlines which allow free (or even paid for) stopovers, i.e. JAL or Emirates.

But if it was 499 pounds on short notice, or a set price on set dates, then it's a good deal, given fares to Australia rise to well over 1000 pounds if you leave the booking too late (i.e. now).

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Englandair
Posted 2003-07-06 22:24:41 and read 2397 times.

UN_B732,

The pitch is also 31" in economy.

Topic: RE: European To Fly Gatwick-sydney With Ex BA B744s?!
Username: Bmi
Posted 2003-07-06 23:15:10 and read 2365 times.

hello,
im a sales consultant for tui uk here, and thomson oz and nz have started selling the european 747 flights to Sydney. The flights currently start with thomson from £549 and operate via CMB. No stopover is permitted and pax must remain onboard whilst the refueling is done.

ive just come back from aussie and i flew with BA and QF then went back to do DXB with EK from BHX. I personally found flying the 744 a bad experience with BA let alone have their shabby old 747s flying to Oz with European.

Lets see how the sales go...
Mark


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