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Topic: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Airplanepics
Posted 2003-07-26 07:43:49 and read 3599 times.

Hey guys,
Does anyone know when Easy Jet will recieve their first Airbus, it cant be long away now?

Regards,
Airplanepics

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Jaspike
Posted 2003-07-26 11:01:08 and read 3512 times.

The first 150-seat A319s will be delivered in September 2003 and based at the no-frills carrier's hub in Geneva, Switzerland.
http://news.airwise.com/stories/2002/10/1034596103.html

Looks like just a couple of months Big thumbs up

Josh

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2003-07-26 12:06:07 and read 3460 times.

I am amazed - but very pleased - that the acquisition of the A319 will reduce U2's costs by 10%. This might mean one or more of four things:

1) it will pass this cost saving onto its consumers in the form of lower prices;

2) it will pay its shareholders a higher dividend as a reward for their investment, which would also ensure that they continued to invest instead of selling up and investing elsewhere;

3) it will retain its profit for future expansion or times of financial difficulty or both; or

4) it will increase its profit margain and continue to offer the same prices as it currently does.

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: GoAround
Posted 2003-07-26 14:51:55 and read 3382 times.

...or

5. They say that an 'unexpected increase in operating costs' means they have to boost their prices, when actually this is untrue, and instead Stelios runs off with all the money and spends it on pies.

That's my theory.

GoAround

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2003-07-26 15:16:39 and read 3351 times.

lol I don't think it'll be that, GoAround, because U2 has publicly said that the acquisition of the A319 will reduce its costs by 10%. If it then said 'ooops, in fact we have to charge you, our invaluable consumer, a surcharge because of our increased costs', then people would know they're lying.

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: DoorsToManual
Posted 2003-07-26 15:22:12 and read 3340 times.

It will be nice to fly an Airbus for a change!

I wonder if they are going to add any extras like PTVs or orange leather seats...then again, we might have heard something by now, if this was the case.

Orange leather seats. Can you imagine? Perhaps grey seats with orange margins would be better?

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2003-07-26 15:24:43 and read 3333 times.

They're having orange seats???? Gees! Don't forget your sunglasses! :p

I suspect that they won't have PTVs or inflight entertainment because it'd increase their costs perhaps beyond limits. And then there's the maintainence of it... nah, I don't think they will. After all, Easy is a 'no-frills' airline.

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Jaspike
Posted 2003-07-26 15:54:25 and read 3304 times.

"I wonder if they are going to add any extras like PTVs or orange leather seats"

Don't go telling everyone that they are going to have orange seats!! Would be good though  Laugh out loud

Josh

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2003-07-26 15:57:04 and read 3301 times.

Would be good though

If you've got sunglasses...  Laugh out loud

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: 777236ER
Posted 2003-07-26 18:07:04 and read 3259 times.

lol I don't think it'll be that, GoAround, because U2 has publicly said that the acquisition of the A319 will reduce its costs by 10%.

Reduce WHAT costs? Operating costs? Day to day running costs will go up - engineers and crew aren't familiar with the type. Then there's the aquisition cost and cost of retraining. While there are one off costs, they're pretty bloody big and it'll take a while for easyJet to say anything like "the A319 has reduce costs".

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Ndebele
Posted 2003-07-26 18:21:52 and read 3234 times.

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Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2003-07-26 18:22:22 and read 3230 times.

Quite. I'm merely quoting from its statement. I didn't say I agree or disagree with it.  Smile Naturally, the cost reduction is going to take years to take effect, but in the long-term the acquisition probably will result in this decrease.

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Artsyman
Posted 2003-07-26 18:23:08 and read 3232 times.

All things equal, the A319 is not 10% more efficient than the 737ng's, in fact I would be suprised if it is as efficient. However the price Easyjet paid, plus the perks thrown into the deal, make it such that Easyjet can save 10%.

Not on the actual mile for mile operating costs though

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2003-07-26 18:25:35 and read 3221 times.

the price Easyjet paid"

Yes, economies of scale, i.e. by bulk buying, is a major way to secure a reduction in the unit costs of whatever you're buying.

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Teahan
Posted 2003-07-26 18:49:08 and read 3196 times.

Some information about the easyJet buses:

The first 5 will be delivered from the end of September to the end of october and will be based in Geneva (HB-JZA/B/C/D/E). The first UK regged aircraft will only be delivered in March 2004.

4 in March (G-EZEA/B/C/D)
4 in April (G-EZEE/F/G/H)
3 in May (G-EZEI/J/K)
2 in June (G-EZEL/M)
1 in July (G-EZEN)
3 more during 2004 (G-EZEO/P/Q)

The first 11 UK aircraft will operator from LGW.

Oh and there will be 156 seats.

Jeremiah

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Bill
Posted 2003-07-26 19:14:59 and read 3156 times.

Jeremiah,

156 seats ?!?! Does it mean they will need 4 flight attendants per aircraft ?? If it is the case, it is not very efficient....

Bill

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Artsyman
Posted 2003-07-26 19:24:12 and read 3138 times.

Yes, economies of scale, i.e. by bulk buying, is a major way to secure a reduction in the unit costs of whatever you're buying.
************

Easyjet got a lot more than the typical bulk discount from Airbus. While I don'y go along with many of the comments on here about them being virtually free, Airbus discounted these aircraft further than what could really be worthwhile for them in the short term. They also threw in free training, free spares, free virtually everything for the first x period of time. Stelios has said that he intended to buy Boeing, but Airbus discounted so deep that he had no choice.

This is documented, not opinion

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: 777236ER
Posted 2003-07-26 19:36:10 and read 3140 times.

Stelios has said that he intended to buy Boeing, but Airbus discounted so deep that he had no choice.

That's the point, Stelios (rightly or wrongly) being greedy sold enough shares to lose control of the business. His wish to buy Boeing counted for nought when shareholders were wooed by tiny initial investment in the A319.

Reducing costs doesn't improve service. easyJet, and ALL the low cost carriers have worked because they have one aircraft type. easyJet, despite the lower price, is introducing a new type! It will run all three fleets (737 classic, 737NG and A319) at the same time, and while the 737 classics may be retired, there is no way the 737NGs are going.

That leaves easyJet with two pools of pilots, engineers trained on two aircraft, two sets of spares, two engine types, two completly different aircraft. Had Stelios had ultimate control of the airline, I think we would have been a Boeing order.

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Artsyman
Posted 2003-07-26 19:41:56 and read 3112 times.

*That leaves easyJet with two pools of pilots ** paid for by airbus

* Engineers trained on two aircraft ** paid for by airbus

*Two sets of spares, two engine types ** paid for by airbus

Airbus is picking up all the costs that having a mixed fleet suffers, this is the point many have been making

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: GoAround
Posted 2003-07-26 19:43:16 and read 3146 times.

@ 777236ER

AirTran: B717 and B737
jetBlue: A320 and ERJ190
Buzz (until recently): BAe 146 and B737
Frontier: A318 and A319, as well as regional operation with RJs
Air Berlin: B737 and BAe 146

There are more, too... flyBe just has too many to mention!

GoAround

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Vfw614
Posted 2003-07-26 20:59:00 and read 3051 times.

Yeah, and in the first place: Southwest.

737-200, 737-500 and 737-700. Three generations of Boeing 737s. Can't see much commonality between a -200 and a -700.

Ryanair: 737-200, 737-300 and 737-800

IMHO, once you have achieved a certain fleet size, you will not suffer that much from different types that you are stuck with one type for the rest of your life with one type.

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Bhxforever
Posted 2003-07-26 21:04:25 and read 3029 times.

GoAround:

"flyBe just has too many to mention!"

Last time i checked they also only operated two types...146 and Dash 8.

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: 777236ER
Posted 2003-07-26 21:23:07 and read 3016 times.

AirTran: B717 and B737
jetBlue: A320 and ERJ190
Buzz (until recently): BAe 146 and B737
Frontier: A318 and A319, as well as regional operation with RJs
Air Berlin: B737 and BAe 146


AirTran and jetBlue haven't started operations with two aircraft yet.

Buzz was taken over.

Frontier hasn't started meaningful operations with the A318 yet, and it's commonality to the A319 is significant.

Air Berlin's BAe146 operations are hardly gigantic.

So far (happy?) successful low-cost carriers used one type.

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: GoAround
Posted 2003-07-26 21:44:16 and read 2983 times.

Lol, okay... but in time! We'll see how U2 do with their 319s  Big grin

GoAround

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Teahan
Posted 2003-07-26 21:57:59 and read 2965 times.

Bill,

I really am not sure about the 4 FAs although the 156 seats has been mentioned in multiple places. BTW there will be only 2 toilets instead of the 3 you usually find on B737s/A319s.

Jeremiah

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: Rlwynn
Posted 2003-07-26 22:04:12 and read 2954 times.

I think Easyjet will see thier mistake in short order.

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: DoorsToManual
Posted 2003-07-26 22:19:47 and read 2925 times.

Buzz was taken over.

And they were good at losing lots of money.

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: GoAround
Posted 2003-07-26 22:23:09 and read 2920 times.

 Innocent I was merely pointing out these airlines' mixed fleets!

GoAround

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: DoorsToManual
Posted 2003-07-26 22:30:37 and read 2919 times.

yes, and I was merely pointing out that buzz were an example of a failed LCC (in the sense that they failed to make money) I'm not having a dig at anyone.

Topic: RE: When Do Easy Jet Get There Airbus?
Username: GoAround
Posted 2003-07-26 22:31:47 and read 2911 times.

Good good, glad that's settled  Big grin Lol, why are we discussing this again?!

Time will tell...

GoAround


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