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Topic: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Aq737
Posted 2003-12-24 04:48:51 and read 5080 times.

I just saw the picture of the QF A330-300 interior Y section. They are the slimline seats, but without PTVs. Aren't the 330-300s being fitted with PTVs?

Aq737

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Jupiter2
Posted 2003-12-24 04:52:15 and read 5043 times.

Apparently the first 3 have/will be delivered in a domestic configuration and will be refitted when it is time to go on the international runs.
RL

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: QANTASpower
Posted 2003-12-24 10:00:27 and read 4914 times.

All the A333's will be fitted withy PTV's and "Skybeds' in Business class. Apparently the remaining 6 A333's will come with these installed.

The 4 x A332's and the existing A333's will be converted to International config over the next 6 months.

By June all A330's will operate internationally only.

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: 9V-SVC
Posted 2003-12-24 10:12:25 and read 4882 times.

Qantaspower :


International flights , that includes regional flights like Perth-Singapore ?


Charles

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: 777ER
Posted 2003-12-24 10:22:49 and read 4837 times.

QF is flying the A330 to New Zealand. The aircraft would most likly be the A332 as it has about the same amount of seats as the 763Er that flys the CHC and AKL. The A330 will sometimes fly into WLG Smile/happy/getting dizzy when there is demand of course Smile

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Motorhussy
Posted 2003-12-24 11:40:32 and read 4724 times.



Well I sincerely hope it will venture into WLG, but strongly doubt it.

Would love to see the occasional widebody, but it's all about frequency and with impending (increased) competition from PacificBlue (aka Virgin), there is even less likelihood of seeing even the vapour trail of an A330 of any QF variety.

MH

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: AZMD80
Posted 2003-12-24 11:46:31 and read 4697 times.

I fligth last Years from Singapore to perth on a 763 300Er: no PVT and interior are quite old. I think tha new planes like 330 in route that doesn't need a 744 is a really a good task for quantas

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: QANTASpower
Posted 2003-12-24 12:19:32 and read 4642 times.

Charles,

Yes the A333's will be used on the Asian regional routes. The timetable has them first going on the Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Perth to Hong Kong flights. This includes new non stop flights from Perth to Hong Kong.

They will then go on the other routes like Singapore when 744's are not required and to places like Manila etc. Singapore however will mainly see 744's.

Not sure where the reconfigured A332's will go as they will not have skybed like the A333's. They will have PTV's though.

All 763's will be withdrawn from international QF routes. Only 744's, 743's, A333's and A332's will fly internationally.

This will then bring about consistency to the international product.

Regards



[Edited 2003-12-24 12:21:56]

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Aussie747
Posted 2003-12-24 23:24:29 and read 4504 times.

Although the A332's will operate on the Tasman Run they will also be interlined with Jet Connect operated 733's as well however expect the 733's where operated to be confined to WLG and CHC services, most of the A332's would operate on their flagship AKL services. I just hope then the 733's get refurbed!!

The third A333 should be delivered any day now, wonder what they are naming her. I am scheduled to be on the A333 for PER to SYD on 12th Feb, but a 738 on the way there, quite a contrast in size.

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2003-12-25 00:09:52 and read 4458 times.

The QF 332 has some 70 seats more than the 763 at the moment, not sure though if they will have less seats when they are reconfigured.

The 333's may do the odd Trans Tasman route but generally it will be the 332's, although I heard some Tasman routes may retain the 763. I would expect the 332's to do the SYD-CHC run as well as the AKL runs but BNE/MEL-CHC will likely stay as 733's operated by Jet Connect for now.

Merry Christmas Everyone.

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Q330
Posted 2003-12-25 00:13:05 and read 4445 times.

Lucky you, Aussie747! Nothing like a nice cross-country flight on an A330.

"By June all A330's will operate internationally only." So I guess we'll still be seeing a lot of the 767s. Do you think that later, Qantas might decide to order more A330s to use domestically as 767 replacements?

-Q

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: EK413
Posted 2003-12-25 00:14:07 and read 4442 times.

Just curious if Qantas would make a surprise with the next A333 to be delivered in a Special Color Scheme.....Hmm, B744ER VH-OEJ 'Wunala Dreaming' & B738 VH-VXB 'Yananyi Dreaming' & B743 VH-EBU 'Nalanji Dreaming' in need of a new paint job.....

You never know Qantas might just surprise us all!

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: 777ER
Posted 2003-12-25 00:25:12 and read 4421 times.

Do you think that later, Qantas might decide to order more A330s to use domestically as 767 replacements?

Didn't QF have problems with the A332 fly the Domestic routes because the plane was to heavy for some of the routes. Also the plane took longer then planned to depart airports

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: EK413
Posted 2003-12-25 00:57:41 and read 4387 times.

Qantas experienced problems with A330's when it came turn-around time. The A330 aircraft operate Cityflyer flights which in (most cases) turn-around in 30 minutes!

Qantas has decided to replace the aircraft with the B763ER which are currently flying International flights.

Makes perfect sense to me!

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Q330
Posted 2003-12-25 02:50:05 and read 4336 times.

I wonder what specifically is causing the problems with turnaround times. Maybe it's just the fact that it's a new a/c type and the ground crew and equipment are not used to it. After all, these are the first Airbuses Qantas has operated for a long time. As EK423 said, It does make sense to keep an all Boeing fleet at home for commonality, and use the 'Buses internationally.

So will the "CityFlyer" titles be removed from the aircraft?

-Q

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: QantasA332
Posted 2003-12-25 02:59:59 and read 4316 times.

It's too bad that they're moving the A330s to the international routes only. Do you think the 767s will be replaced though, and with what? It's about time, I think...

qantasA332

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2003-12-25 04:33:33 and read 4245 times.

I would think that the 7E7 would be a good candadate to replace the 763 from 2008 on by which time the oldest 763's will be close to 20 years old.

Thats my opinion.  Smile

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Aussie747
Posted 2003-12-25 23:19:28 and read 4115 times.

ZK-NBT,

I think you could definitely count QF for the 7E7, already some of their 763's are nearly 14 years old. Especially if Boeing do a short range derivative, then I guess you run into the fact that this would be a 300pax plane , and would subsequently run into problems of trying to turn the plane around at quick intervals, just as it currently does with the A332/A333's

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: QantasA332
Posted 2003-12-26 00:12:34 and read 3991 times.

I'm not sure QF is going to go for the 7E7 -- they need a nearer-term 763 replacement, I think. I would have thought the 330s would do the trick, but apparently not...
Having said that, what else would they consider to replace them? A320-family a/c, maybe?

qantasA332

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Jsmith
Posted 2003-12-26 01:35:05 and read 3900 times.

Aussie747 - I don't think you can 'count' Qantas for the 7E7. I think it it far too early to speculate.

For example, Qantas were invited along with some of the world's other major airlines to consult with Boeing on the formation and design of the 777 and out of that group of airlines, guess who was the only airline that never ended up ordering any 777s?

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: 3green
Posted 2003-12-26 01:57:33 and read 3872 times.

Has anybody here flown on them, do they feel powerful on takeoff, climb, etc? Do the engines sound good from inside?

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2003-12-26 05:41:05 and read 3791 times.

The A330 has a huge power/weight ratio and sounds beautiful fom the inside.

Not that that matters from an airlines' perspective.

N

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: QantasA332
Posted 2003-12-26 06:32:51 and read 3754 times.

3green: I've been on a 300. They're incredibly quiet on the inside, and overall they're just so comfortable and great! I love 'em.

qantasA332

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: EK413
Posted 2003-12-27 02:42:05 and read 3623 times.

ZK-NBT
I would think that the 7E7 would be a good candidate to replace the 763 from 2008 on by which time the oldest 763's will be close to 20 years old.

that's my opinion.

I agree totally with the B763's being replaced in the future. Qantas operates 14 763's which have been leased from Oneworld partner British Airways & still operate in the BA interior. I'm sure Qantas would have a replacement on there mind.


Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: 777ER
Posted 2003-12-27 03:13:34 and read 3590 times.

I'm not sure QF is going to go for the 7E7 -- they need a nearer-term 763 replacement, I think. I would have thought the 330s would do the trick, but apparently not...
Having said that, what else would they consider to replace them? A320-family a/c, maybe?


Since Jetstar(LCC) will be operating an all A320 fleet by 2005, If QF replace their 763s with the A320 then most likly Jetstar will have its workers demanding that they get the same pay as the Qantas staff. Then this would stop Jetstar being a LCC and force up their costs and possible fares which would result in DJ being the only LCC is Australia

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2003-12-27 03:35:17 and read 3555 times.

QF only lease 7 763's from BA!

With the 7E7 if Boeing build a short range version I do think QF will be extremely interested in it to replace the 763.

QantasA332 said

I'm not sure QF is going to go for the 7E7 -- they need a nearer-term 763 replacement, I think. I would have thought the 330s would do the trick, but apparently not...
Having said that, what else would they consider to replace them? A320-family a/c, maybe?

I think QF would still be wanting a 300 seat domestic aircraft if they can find an ideal aircraft that can be turned around quickly!

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: QANTAS747
Posted 2003-12-27 04:01:24 and read 3529 times.

My opinion is that the 767's will inevitably be replaced by 7E7's, not neccesarily the short range ones either. I also believe that QWF are looking at commonality and lower operating costs, and I think QF will only use the A330's as an interim before the 7E7, Maybe they will be traded off, but I don't expect to see any 330's in the sky after 2015 (I know that is a fair bit away yet) But I think it is good to see the A330's going on medium-haul international ops, and hey if they are succesful, they could order more of them. And just on the side, if boeing doesn't decided to do anything with the 747 in the future, QF may order some A340's to fill the gap between the A380 and the A330/7E7, as in about 5-10 years, some of the 744's will start to get on 20 years. Just a thought. (hang on the 743's have to be retired yet....)

QANTAS747 Big grin

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Miami1
Posted 2003-12-27 07:56:30 and read 3468 times.

EK413 -
The SEVEN (7) ex-BA 763s operate with a QF interior (30/214) and have done so since 2000. The galleys, however, are the BA 'ACE' ones. Much different to standard QF galleys.

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Aussie747
Posted 2003-12-28 09:14:23 and read 3335 times.

Well,

Having just come back from Melbourne to Sydney this afternoon on a 763, I can tell you the flight was on a very quick turnaround with the incoming flight delayed, 210 pax off and 210 back on in just over 45 minutes. (an A330 wouldn't come close in that department) This is what QANTAS needs as a replacement for it's 763 fleet. The only thing that it is unhappy about is the cargo capacity in how it cannot fit side by side containers.

The A330 cannot do quick turnarounds and that is common knowledge and so is not a good 767 replacement. As has been pointed out what other choice is there? I do not see any answers other than the 7E7. You WILL see them in the fleet, especially if the 737-900X does not go ahead, which QANTAS has gone public with and wants.

The 7E7 is a wider aircraft and so can handle side by side containers. By the time the 7E7 is flown the earlier 767's will be just on 20 years service perfect given QF's 18 to 22 year replacement schedule. If Boeing can deliver to QF specs, I think it will be a logical choice and successful one at that.

Admittedly Qantas has not had much do do with this aircraft, and is not seen as a launch candiate, only time will tell. Look at the huge input Qantas had with the 777 and what has it to show for it? (no orders)

I have one question to Jsmith, what other replacement aircraft is there As Qantas will be looking at one in the next 4 years????

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: VirginFlyer
Posted 2003-12-28 14:02:40 and read 3192 times.

Aussie747 - why would the 7E7 necessarily be any faster in turnaround than the A330?

V/F

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: EK413
Posted 2003-12-28 14:14:38 and read 3172 times.

ZK-NBT
QF only lease 7 763's from BA!

Miami1
EK413 -
The SEVEN (7) ex-BA 763s operate with a QF interior (30/214) and have done so since 2000. The galleys, however, are the BA 'ACE' ones. Much different to standard QF galleys.

ZK-NBT Qantas originally planned to lease 7 Ex-BA B763's as a B762 replacement, BUT, Qantas leased a further 7 to boost its domestic routes.

Miami1 Thanks for the info. I was aware that the Galleys operated in BA 'ACE' but just wasn't sure if the interior was changed to QF standards. Thanks once again.









Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: EK413
Posted 2003-12-30 05:41:44 and read 2972 times.

ZK-NBT

Just correcting my last message in regards to Qantas leasing 7 Ex-British Airways B763ER's. I have looked into the aircraft lease & your right about it being 7 aircraft & not 14!

I'm not sure were I came across an article that mention Qantas leasing more aircraft.

Aircraft rego's : VH-ZXA,ZXB,ZXC,ZXD,ZXE,ZXF,ZXG

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: QantasAirways
Posted 2003-12-30 09:01:29 and read 2900 times.

Its great that the A330s are coming out.
This means that Brisbane will see new aircraft and great service on routes into Asia, not just Europe and USA.

Well done Qantas.

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Ryanair
Posted 2003-12-30 15:22:40 and read 2781 times.

What happens to the 763's will depend entirely on QF's domestic business plan. They'll buy the replacement which suits it the best.

In my view it seems Qantas has segmented it's market over the last few years into two basic camps (It's much more complex in truth, but this is the watered down version). Basically they've had:

1."Red E-Fare" passengers to counter Virgin.
2."Traditional" passengers (eg. Business Travel and Agents)

It seems Qantas is moving towards a strategy where as Qantas Mainline will offer a premium service (frequency, flexibility, meals, lounges etc) at a premium price aimed at the second group above.

In turn it's establishing Jetstar to handle the first group.

That means fewer passengers on Cityflier services - hence you would need fewer seats per flight. In which case QF could probably get away with buying more 738's to replace the 763's. That would leave them with a single type domestic mainline fleet (ie. 737), which economically seems the way to go.

In terms of business strategy, if you think of Toyota it's the same strategy they use very well. Toyota offer their Lexus brand for the wealthier premium car market, while their Toyota brand offers cheap, reliable motoring for the masses. That's where QF Domestic is heading.

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Jupiter2
Posted 2003-12-30 22:05:59 and read 2703 times.

Ryanair, you can expect to see Jetstar on the main trunkline routes (cityflyer) but don't expect a huge number of services. Cityflyer will continued to be dominated by wide bodies, mostly 763's until a suitable replacement is found (7E7). Also the QF domestic services carry a large amount of freight which the 738's just aren't capable of, neither will the Jetstar 320's. So I would expect the 763's to be the principle domestic aircraft for the next few years, while being supplemented with the occasional 330 and 747.
RL

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2003-12-30 22:08:34 and read 2692 times.

No evidence whatsoever that the larger 7E7 will be quicker to turn than the 330.

The 764 would have been the best CityFlyer choice.

N

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Greg
Posted 2003-12-30 22:17:34 and read 2653 times.

Gigneil....can you pls comment on my post in regard to the 332's economics on med range routes (it's in a seperate post).. Also, there is a great article comparing the 332 with the 763/4..but I don't think I got the hotlink to work correctly. It's likely you would be interested.

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Aussie747
Posted 2003-12-31 00:38:49 and read 2609 times.

I guess if Boeing can deliver on QF specs on being able to offer quick turnarounds at domestic gates there should not be a problem in ordering the 7E7. The problem I have noticed is that QF uses only single air bridges to board, same as a330's and that is where the problem lies trying to board 300 pax instead of 220 in a single gate, this will naturally take longer.

Unless QF has a lot more double entry air bridges, the 7E7 might have the same problem, ah well, we will all see down the track in a few years when QF has to order a replacement.

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: EK413
Posted 2004-01-02 05:37:05 and read 2511 times.

Aussie747

"I guess if Boeing can deliver on QF specs on being able to offer quick turnarounds at domestic gates there should not be a problem in ordering the 7E7. The problem I have noticed is that QF uses only single air bridges to board, same as a330's and that is where the problem lies trying to board 300 pax instead of 220 in a single gate, this will naturally take longer".

Correction on that Aussie747. Qantas had gates at Sydney,Melbourne,Perth reconfigured with twin air bridges months before receiving the 1st A330-200.


Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2004-01-02 06:07:27 and read 2471 times.

Greg-

Point me where you want me to read.

N

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Tsv
Posted 2004-01-02 09:04:27 and read 2422 times.

I think these are what Greg is referring to :

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1323605/4/

http://www.aircraft-commerce.com/arts/AS2001/AugSept2001Analysis456.pdf


[Edited 2004-01-02 09:08:23]

Topic: RE: QF A333 Fleet Plans
Username: Aussie747
Posted 2004-01-02 10:30:37 and read 2370 times.

I should have corrected myself or made my self my clearly, Qantas does not have ENOUGH double gate aerobridges to operate its A333's through double bridges. At any time is Sydney for instance there is about 5 to 10 767's at the SYD domestic terminal however there only 2 gates with double airobridges, a similar problem at other QF domestic terminals as well (not enough double aero bridges for a fleet of stay 20 to 30 of these widebodies).


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