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Topic: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: AZMD80
Posted 2004-02-04 13:14:54 and read 5399 times.

Alitalia has planned to change his narrow bodies fleet from MD 80 to A32s, but I see that the order book of these aibusses is about a quarter of all remaining MD 80 in service. In the alitalia 2003-2005 business plan there is'n any mention to this problem.
What do you think about?
Some of this aircraft will be replaced by new EMB 170 or they will be used only to replace ATR72?
What about the regional aircraft now that D328s by minerva aren't in use?
What about the long range? 767 will be replaced by Airbusses or the 777 choice will stop this opportunity.

Topic: RE: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: AA787
Posted 2004-02-04 13:17:29 and read 5365 times.

I believe that AZ is looking at the 7E7 for some lower demand North American routes. The probably will end up with an Airbus narrowbody fleet and Boeing widebodies.

AA787

Topic: RE: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: Steman
Posted 2004-02-04 14:30:18 and read 5254 times.

As stated by AA787,
Alitalia is one of the carriers intereste din the 7E7 project. If the project will go through they will probably order some to replace the 767s.

As far as the short/medium haul fleet is involved, I've heard of rumors about a possible purchase of up to 65 A320 family aircrafts. But untill now it hasn't been confirmed.

I think the MD80s will be completely replaced by a mix of A32s and EMB170/190.
The regional fleet will most probably remain based on ATR72, ERJ145 and EMB170/190.

Ciao

Stefano

Topic: RE: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: AZMD80
Posted 2004-02-04 15:01:14 and read 5183 times.

Steman
I think that by now there are 89 md80 still flying in AZ colour. So probably the 65 A32s aircraft order will not be fill the retirement.

Do you know something about a new order of EMB 190 or 195, larger version of the already bought 170 for the replacement of MD80 on many internal route?

Do Ypu think something about new EMB 145 oreder to replace D328?

Thank You

Ciao

Topic: RE: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: Greaser
Posted 2004-02-04 15:05:50 and read 5170 times.

Why didn't they change to 737NGs in the first place??? for the sake of fleet commonality

Topic: RE: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: TriStar500
Posted 2004-02-04 15:31:58 and read 5120 times.

For the sake of fleet commonailty with their already existing extensive fleet of A319, A320 and A321 aircraft?  Nuts

Topic: RE: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: Babybus
Posted 2004-02-04 15:43:31 and read 5076 times.

Have they ever considered some A318's for domestic flts? Very nice I think.

Topic: RE: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: Alitalia744
Posted 2004-02-04 16:12:58 and read 5003 times.

Stranger things have happened.

AZ have looked at the 73G/738 feasibility in addition to the A32X fleet. I doubt they will switch, but again, stranger things have happened.

Anyone remember when AZ had 757-200's on order?

Long Haul:

AZ will be a launch customer for the 7e7 and their future long-haul fleet will be Boeing - 777/7e7, with the 763's being phased out or relegated to Middle-east flights only.

Do not look for AZ to get a long-haul Airbus aircraft.

Topic: RE: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: Steman
Posted 2004-02-04 18:52:52 and read 4879 times.

Yes,
Alitalia had 20 B757 on order back in the '80s but then cancelled the order, maybe when Airbus launched the A321 for which AZ was a launch customer.

Nobody said that Alitalia will replace its 89 MD-82s on a 1 on 1 basis, so the 65 A320s could be the likely candidate.
Alitalia has also 6 options for EMB170 that can be switched to the larger 190 aside of its firm order for 6 examples.

My guess is that the short/medium haul fleet will be based on a reduced number of aircrafts compared to today: 10 ATR72, 14 ERJ-145, 6/12 EMB170/190, 111 (the current 46 + the 65) A319/320/321.

But still, those 65 airbus were just a rumor, somebody said it was a promise that Berlusconi did to his French counterpart not to leave AZ out of the AF-KLM deal.

Ciao

Stefano

Topic: RE: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: DaV
Posted 2004-02-04 19:56:22 and read 4791 times.

32S for narrow body fleet
777 for long range fleet

Maybe in the future they'll buy 7E7, recently they added two former AC 767 and looking for some more.

737NG doesn't make any sense in AZ fleet, even for fleet commonality!! The oldest Airbus in AZ color has arrived in 1994... no need to replace it, no money and no sense at all. The order for 757-200 was retired shortly after the sign, but I don't know why. I'd die to see a 757 in AZ colors. The future A32S order will be split in time, as some of the Md80 were delivered in the second half of the '90, they still have plenty of life in them. First order to replace older Mad Dog, and subsequently another order for either 32S or Embraer 170/190. The current order for 170 isn't meant to replace the AT7 from AZExpress fleet. As for Minerva replacing, now Alitalia has some codeshare agreement with Air A!ps. I'd like to see AZExpress operate some minor 30 pax turboprop aircraft, but they won't in the foreseeable future. Don't rule out future order for the 145 too.

The 318 for Italian domestic market is a suicide, the 318 is heavy and not suited for such short routes, even for fleet commonality sake. The best utilization I find for the baby Bus are thin routes to former Russian cities, which are long (4+ hours) and don't need much capacity. But, again, AZ has no money and their management isn't all that smart...

DaV

Topic: RE: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: Alitalia744
Posted 2004-02-04 19:59:40 and read 4777 times.

The 757 would'a been a hot lil'plane in AZ's colors!

Topic: RE: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: Sabena 690
Posted 2004-02-04 22:08:13 and read 4701 times.

Honnestly, after having been 3 times on the AZ MD82, I find it the most comfortable aircraft I've ever been on. As long as you don't sit in the back for the noise of course...

Some of their MD82's are still quite new, so there is no need yet to replace the I-DAC./I-DAN. and I-DAT. registered frames (that's about 55-60% of their MD80 fleet, all between 9 and 14 years old).

Maybe we can see an order for more A32S's to replace the older MD80's? Some of them are almost 20 years old... unless they go the same way as NW of course  Big grin

I'm booked on 4 AZ flights this summer (2 of them are operated by SN Brussels). Currently the MD82 is scheduled on my MXP-MAD and MAD-FCO sector... I hope their service is still as great as 2 years ago!

Regards
Frederic

Topic: RE: Alitalia Fleet In The Future
Username: AZMD80
Posted 2004-02-05 10:24:57 and read 4562 times.

I agree that 318 is only suited for medium range low density route (as many in US). I think that AF will use them in this way.
In Italy it coudn't be used for internal route that are at the most 2 hrs long.


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