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Topic: What If? Comet Had Been A Long-Term Success?
Username: TriStarEnvy
Posted 2004-03-04 18:37:01 and read 3057 times.

I'm in the mood for a good "What If". And I can't seem to remember the last discussion on DH-106 Comet, or variants.(I went thru archives, and didn't spot topic. If I'm wrong, forgive me)

Here goes: What if Comet had been a huge success from the start? (Assume that the fatigue issues never happened, i.e. crashes of Yoke-Peter, and Yoke-Yoke) We'll say De Havilland got it right from the beginning, from a stellar roll-out, problem free service life, to improved variations thru the 50's, and 60's.

How different might modern aviation, and the aerospace industry be?


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Topic: RE: What If? Comet Had Been A Long-Term Success?
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2004-03-04 19:22:29 and read 3023 times.

Well... Maybe Airbus would never have happened. A strong British aviation industry would have gone it on it's own.

Concorde would maybe have been the British only project, and of course that would have spelled the doom for British aviation industry.

My €0.02

Topic: RE: What If? Comet Had Been A Long-Term Success?
Username: Spike
Posted 2004-03-04 19:30:21 and read 3009 times.


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Topic: RE: What If? Comet Had Been A Long-Term Success?
Username: Planemaker
Posted 2004-03-04 20:05:22 and read 2978 times.

If everything had turned out without mishap, I imagine that de Havilland UK and Avro Canada perhaps would have been in pitched battles for global market leadership like Boeing and Airbus are today.

Topic: RE: What If? Comet Had Been A Long-Term Success?
Username: 411A
Posted 2004-03-05 04:02:32 and read 2911 times.

Sad to say that the deHavilland Comet was a rather poor design, for a jet transport.
Yes it had greater speed than the (then) present day piston-engined airliners but did not have sufficient fuel for truly long-range operations...nor, due to the engine location, lend itself to high(er) bypass engines that would have offered greater range, for the fuel that it could carry.
The reason that the B707 was such a success was that, due to the design, the aircraft could be stretched for long range operations.
The 707 was...the first jet airliner that could carry more fuel (in weight) than its empty weight (-300 series).
For example, B707-320 (old cowl) had an OEW of 142,000 pounds (approximately), but could carry 154,000 pounds of fuel (approximately, depending on fuel density).

The deHavilland Comet, altho a major design improvement in airline transport, was severly limited in its growth potential.

Topic: RE: What If? Comet Had Been A Long-Term Success?
Username: Bohica
Posted 2004-03-05 06:13:47 and read 2865 times.

We would be having DeHavilland vs Douglas discussions. Big grin

Topic: RE: What If? Comet Had Been A Long-Term Success?
Username: 7574EVER
Posted 2004-03-05 06:32:14 and read 2839 times.

NWA would be flying them today!!

Topic: RE: What If? Comet Had Been A Long-Term Success?
Username: RIX
Posted 2004-03-05 12:59:11 and read 2767 times.

...then the Soviets would never say Tu104 was the first jet airliner. Or would they anyway?  Smile

Topic: RE: What If? Comet Had Been A Long-Term Success?
Username: Lalone
Posted 2004-03-05 13:07:53 and read 2750 times.


I really don´t understand the purpose of this "what if" debates....kind of silly (no ofense) Big grin what if we all lived in Mars?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: What If? Comet Had Been A Long-Term Success?
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2004-03-05 13:11:50 and read 2736 times.

It's a good tool in history understanding, so that you think about what was really important in terms of turning points and influences. If nothing else, it's fun speculation and escapism.

What if the Germans had not lost WWII: Read "Fatherland"

What if the Crown Colony of the Cape had become an expansionistic, fascist state: Read "The Domination"

What if Kennedy had not been killed: Read "Voyage"

As you can see from only three examples, the market for this sort of thing is alive and well. That being said, I can see your point of view. My wife is the same way.

Topic: RE: What If? Comet Had Been A Long-Term Success?
Username: LongHauler
Posted 2004-03-05 16:21:44 and read 2680 times.

I always thought the proposed Comet 5 was an interesting airplane.

Larger and longer, with 4 RR Conway engines and a sleeker tail. It had the same cabin volume as the first 707's and DC-8s, and about the same weight/range.


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