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Topic: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: ToBEYwithMEA
Posted 2004-03-12 19:29:15 and read 6419 times.

Maybe Hours can help me out
Egypt Air sent a A340-200 to Kuwait! This is not bashing in anyway or form, but this is a powerful might A340 and it's doing a 2 hour flight!

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It is seen here at Kuwait
And a342 to Manchester!!
How many Egyptians live in the north of England?

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And then. A A320 to Frankfurt while the A340 is taking Mucnich
FRA is a bigger city why did it get the smaller jet
Any just wondering- you guys know me all question, barely any answers

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-13 01:19:21 and read 6279 times.

ToBEYwithMEA

Over the summer period Egyptair will increase its flights on the Cairo-Kuwait route to 2x daily MS610 (Dep:09.20 Arr:12:20) and MS612/614 (scheduled departures vary in the evening). All are flights will be using their B777-200s. Kuwait will increase its flights on the route upto 4x daily using a mix of A340s, A300-600s, A320s and B777s. There is a huge market between these two countries due to the large Egyptian population in Kuwait and the large volume of Kuwaitis visiting Egypt. Both airlines also serve the Alexandria/Sharm El Sheikh/Luxor/Aswan/Assuit-Kuwait City markets. So to answer your question, Egyptair uses such large aircrafts to meet the huge demand (common practice in Middle East and Asia-to use large jets on regional flights).

As for Manchester, the A340s, B777s and A300-600Rs were mainly used on the route due to the large volume of passengers connecting with flights to Jeddah for the Hajj season.

As for the German-Egypt market. Egyptair currently operates over 20 flights between the 2 countries each week, serving Frankfurt, Munich, Berlin and Dusseldorf. You will find the Frankfurt route use A320s and A300 but the number of weekly flights is much higher than other German cities that use larger aircraft.

In the past the large number of different types operated also caused these variances, but with the airline restructuring and older aircrafts being replaced by brand new ones, the airline is becoming more streamlined. The 735s, 743s, A300-600s are all being replaced by newer Airbus models (A320s, A330s and soon to be re-ordered A346s). The airline will probably keep their 777s which will leave them with a fleet of A320s, A321s, A330s, A340s and B777s (plus A300B4 freighters)

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Sabena332
Posted 2004-03-13 01:29:55 and read 6229 times.

As for the German-Egypt market. Egyptair currently operates over 20 flights between the 2 countries each week, serving Frankfurt, Munich, Berlin and Dusseldorf.

Horus is correct, here in DUS we get a nice mix of MS planes, for example:

The B 777-200:


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The A 300-600:


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The B 747-300:


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The A 340-200:


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...as well as the A 320, the A 321 and the 767. This airline takes care that they present themself in a nice variety of planes  Big thumbs up.

They always choose the right plane for the DUS flight, of course you can expect a lot widebodies during holiday time  Big thumbs up.

Patrick

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-13 01:44:59 and read 6146 times.


The 743s are going to be retired soon, and are mainly only put on busy Middle Eastern routes (e.g. Riyadh and Jeddah) and some flights from Sharm El Sheikh, Hurghada and Luxor to Europe (recent examples include Sharm El Sheikh-Rome and Luxor-LHR)

Egyptair is expected to re-order 4 A340-600s (includes 2 options) by the end of the year to compensate for the shortfall caused by retiring the 743s.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: N243NW
Posted 2004-03-13 01:45:36 and read 6146 times.

but this is a powerful might A340
Sorry to tell you, buddy, but you'd better prepare for some degree of "slow-climbing" flaming here.
-N243NW Big grin

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Korg747
Posted 2004-03-13 05:38:19 and read 6031 times.

Any chance the 2 743s would join the cargo fleet? In another words, both aircrafts gets converted to cargo operation?

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Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-13 14:03:53 and read 5910 times.

korg747

That could be a possibilty. The two 743s have been with the airline since 1988 when they were delivered brand new to the airline so they are pretty old. That means they are unlikely to find another operator for them, so they might be converted. I won't hold by breath though as 743s are not very efficient in an all-cargo form and the airline is becoming an all-Airbus operator (with the exception os their 777s). I think it is more likely that they will add further A300Fs.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Behramjee
Posted 2004-03-13 14:16:02 and read 5837 times.

KU sends a daily B 744 somtimes B 772s to CAI from KWI. There was at one time around 4-5 daily WIDE BODIES of 250-400 seaters from CAI to KWI and back !!!

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Ts-ior
Posted 2004-03-13 16:50:52 and read 5742 times.


Egyptair sends to Tunis : B735,A320,A321,A306,A340,B777,B767,and B743...whatelse ? I think it's rather a question of aircraft availability.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-13 16:55:36 and read 5716 times.

Ts-ior-where do you get your info from? Nuts

Egyptair only use A320s and A321s on their Tunis flights. They dont even operate 767s. You really need to check before giving out information.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Ts-ior
Posted 2004-03-13 17:00:36 and read 5690 times.


They sometimes use this type or that other inspite of the programmed Airbuses...I live just steps through Tunis-Carthage Airport and the STARs and SIDs just overfly my village,and i could distinguish Egyptair from another airline and Airbuses from Boeings.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-13 17:19:09 and read 5614 times.

Ts-ior

I guess they might use their A300-600Rs and B735s on some occasions, but A340s, B777s and B743 are very unlikely. Probably charters for Egypt-vs-Tunisia football matches. As for 767s they don't have any (last one sold back to Boeing in 2000). I can assure you in most cases you'll get A32Xs.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Ts-ior
Posted 2004-03-13 17:27:12 and read 5570 times.


You're right Horus,but it happened that they send an A340,a B777,or a B743.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-13 17:33:31 and read 5537 times.

Ts-ior

Fair enough, it was probably due to high demand but it isn't a regular thing. Check out the other Egyptair thread, I have a question for you there.

Thanks

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Plane Holland
Posted 2004-03-13 19:16:17 and read 5457 times.

With MS you can expect any type, just like LY. At MS / EHAM), Netherlands">AMS we had regularly a 747-300 which also routed via BRU.

rgds, Plane Holland

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-13 19:34:47 and read 5390 times.

Behramjee

That is tru, in the summer there will be around 5-6 daily flights between Cairo and Kuwait. Egyptair will operate 2x daily using B777s only and Kuwait Airways will have 3-4x daily using A300-600R, A340, and B777. There are also flights between Kuwait and Alexandria/Luxor/Aswan/Assiut/Sharm El Sheikh by both airlines using A320s/A300s/A340s and even the 747.


Plane Holland

Egyptair's CAI-AMS-CAI have become non-stop both ways, using A320/A300 in the winter and A300/A340 during summer.


Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Mrniji
Posted 2004-03-13 19:42:59 and read 5362 times.

FRA is a bigger city why did it get the smaller jet

FRA is smaller than Munich (about half the size). OK, the airport is far bigger, and the urban area of FRA - up to my knowledge - is bigger than the Munich one...

Actually, good question why FRA got the smaller jet, since I would assume many people to transfer in FRA to other flights to Europe, US... As to cite Horus:

You will find the Frankfurt route use A320s and A300 but the number of weekly flights is much higher than other German cities that use larger aircraft

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-13 23:12:37 and read 5228 times.

Yes Mriniji, They operate on the CAI-FRA route with almost a daily flight with A32X and A300-600R (MS785), The CAI-MUN route is served 2/3x weekly with A340/300/321.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Mrniji
Posted 2004-03-13 23:21:14 and read 5202 times.

Horus, you seem to ne THE expert for Egypt Air...

tell me, do they carry a lot of traffic from India "further west" or to Africa...? I remember talking to lots of people on BOM Airport borading an Egypt air flight, and they were going everywhere from NYC, LOS, LON... They must do well with their fares on the Indian market, since egypt is well located...

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-13 23:43:05 and read 5149 times.

Mrniji, I love my national carrier, what can I say

About their flights to Mumbai. Egyptair's A300-600R flights serve Mumbai via Sharjah (UAE). It is the only carrier on the route and has 5th Freedom rights on the Sharjah-Mumbai-Sharjah sector. There are 3 distinct markets MS targets on this route:
1. Indian tourists travelling to Egypt and vice versa.
2. Providing the large Indian population in Sharjah with a direct service to their home city.
3. As you stated the competitive airfares and strong route network makes it convenient for Indian passengers to connect with East African flights (large Indian population in Kenya and Uganda) as well as to North America and Europe.

Mumbai will be one of the first routes Egyptair plans to use their new A330-200s on when deliveries begin in June 2004. There have been rumours that frequency will be increased with some flights becoming direct.

Any chance Air India will serve Cairo. There have been reports that Air Sahara may begin international routes to Africa and Europe, is Cairo a possibilty?

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Mrniji
Posted 2004-03-14 00:09:59 and read 5088 times.

Any chance Air India will serve Cairo. There have been reports that Air Sahara may begin international routes to Africa and Europe, is Cairo a possibilty?

Both seem very unlikely, to my knowledge. S2 and 9W will start CMB soon as their first foreign destination, and even this took very long to realize. If they are allowed to fly to further destinations, this will definitely first be the SAARC or ASEAN countries, and not beyond. But I guess that will take some time.
It depends how the new/old Indian government will implement the recommended aviation policy. I personally assume that the aviation market in India will be liberalized quite quickly in the next 2-3 years, since the roadmap seems to be very definite. It is possible that once AI and IC are allowed to acquire the proposed aircraft (let's assume August-September + 18 Months delivery), become more competitive and use more of their bilaterals, private carriers' foreign destinations could multiply, but I wouldn't expect this to happen too soon.

As far your question with AI... I wouldn't suspect them to serve CAI soon. Some new leased 310 shall arrive soon (?), and first priority, as far as I know, will be LOS via NBO, once government clearance is there. I guess, too, that increasing frequency to the Gulf is on the top of the agenda. But one never knows, maybe CAI will be on AI's map once again in future, I have somehow observed that these decisions are taken with short notice.

But do not take my word, there are many people much better informed than me, so for instance B747-437B. He, in my eyes, knows everything what will happen. Most I have written is rather my personal evaluation

Mrniji, I love my national carrier, what can I say

No need for explainations, same here  Wink/being sarcastic

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-14 00:25:06 and read 5037 times.

According to Air Sahara's chief Executive Officer Uttam Kummar Bose, the Indian Government has given the airline rights to fly anywhere other than the Middle East, where Indian Airlines already operates on regularly. "We are looking at all areas-Europe, the US and various parts of the world.! said Bose.

There is a small yet significant Egyptian population in Mumbai in professional jobs (i.e. Doctors and Engineers). I can see Egyptair doubling frequency on the route, with 2 remaining via Sharjah and 2 direct. What do you think?

Which airport is bigger New Delhi's or Mumbai's?

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: BA
Posted 2004-03-14 00:27:37 and read 5028 times.

Horus,

Mumbai is much bigger.

Regards

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-14 00:34:00 and read 5007 times.


BA

I know Mumbai handled just over 12 million passengers last year, what was Delhi's figures? Do you know?

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: BA
Posted 2004-03-14 00:38:14 and read 4991 times.

Horus,

I am not sure about the figures, but B747-437B knows. I'll try to get a hold of him.

Regards

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-14 00:47:09 and read 4955 times.

BA

Good news! Egyptair will be increasing flights to Beirut to 11x weekly. CAI-BEY will become 10x weekly direct flights (MS711, daily evening flight and MS713, 3x weekly morning flights. All A320 operated) and ALX-BEY remains at 1x weekly flight (MS709, A320). MEA operates daily A321 flights.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: BA
Posted 2004-03-14 00:55:26 and read 4937 times.

Thanks for the info Horus! So they added 1 more morning flight. Good to hear.

Interesting how the ALY flight is moving to Friday instead of Wednesday. It all will originate in ALY instead of originating in CAI like before.

Hopefully they will increase frequency on ALY-BEY one day.

There is some talk that El-Hout is thinking about ordering more A321s in 2005. If this happens, I am sure you will see MEA increase frequency to Cairo. It's a very popular flight, and when they join Skyteam, demand will be even higher.

MEA has only limited expansion capabilities because of its small fleet.

They are increasing Dubai (DXB) to 11x weekly in the summer though and are doing several other frequency increases on other routes.

Regards

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: BA
Posted 2004-03-14 01:07:02 and read 4895 times.

Horus,

Do you have any idea why the 3x weekly morning flights are on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Thursdays? Is traffic between Egypt and Lebanon much higher in the weekdays rather than the weekends?

I know there is lots of leisure traffic between Lebanon and Egypt. Families visiting each other and of course, the magnificant Pyramids of Giza and other magnificent tourist hot spots around Egypt such as the Valley of the Kings, Abu Simbel, etc.

Regards

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-14 01:14:23 and read 4879 times.

BA

Its probably targeting the business travelers between the two cities, offering greater frequency and more convenient timings.

As for the leisure market between Egypt and Lebanon, its is huge. Like I said Lebanese tourists are among the top three Arab tourists with Saudis and Kuwaitis. Also many Egyptians travel to Lebanon for skiing and off course to experience Beirut and its history.

Do you know where we can find info on charter flights between these two great countries?

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: BA
Posted 2004-03-14 01:18:32 and read 4869 times.

Do you know where we can find info on charter flights between these two great countries?

Honestly, I do not know. It is very difficult to find out information about charters out of Beirut.

All I know is there are lots.

TMA was wet-leasing an A319 from Lotus Air for charter flights to Baghdad and various places in Egypt. Ever since the government cracked down on them for safety, I think they had to cancel the lease agreement.

Regards

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-14 01:27:59 and read 4842 times.

Lotus Air is a very safe company (and profitable). I think the airline still operates flights on behalf of TMA (not leased). The most recent ones were BEY-Venice and Warsaw.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: BA
Posted 2004-03-14 01:30:54 and read 4820 times.

Horus,

There was an article in the Lebanese Daily Star.

The government grounded that TMA A319. Maybe it's flying again, but it was grounded.

Regards

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-14 01:35:03 and read 4802 times.

BA

Well it's flying now normally along with the other A320s operated by the company. What was the problem?

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: BA
Posted 2004-03-14 01:40:06 and read 4780 times.

Horus,

They were unhappy with the safety procedures being done. They grounded 4 different aircraft. 1 of which was the Lotus Air A319 and the other 3 were business jets owned by some small charters.

Regards

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-14 01:47:41 and read 4771 times.

BA

Well the Lotus Air aircraft are flying tourists to Egypt as we speak (in style and safety I hope). In fact the next flight is due to take off from Sharm El Sheikh bound for Bologna in the next hour!

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: BA
Posted 2004-03-14 01:49:17 and read 4766 times.

Lotus Air is a pretty important charter airline. They have many flights in the summer from Beirut for Nakhal, a travel agency.

Regards

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-14 02:01:46 and read 4746 times.


Before 9/11 Lotus Air was going to order 2 B757-200s, but decided against it. They are now expected to lease a few more A320s in the next few months, to meet demand, until later this year when they plan to place an order for new Airbuses as they tries to break into the scheduled market.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Yegbey01
Posted 2004-03-14 02:10:53 and read 4724 times.

Horus,

Before the war, there was way more traffic between Lebanon and Egypt. I suspect it was mainly on boats.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: BA
Posted 2004-03-14 02:13:44 and read 4715 times.

I suspect it was mainly on boats.

Yes, there were many boat trips between Beirut and Alexandria in the past. My mom took them many times.

I think there are still boat trips, but not as much as before obviously.

Regards

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-14 02:37:41 and read 4688 times.

Yegbey01 and BA

There were also train services until recent 'changes' meant they had to be abandoned.

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: BA
Posted 2004-03-14 02:52:28 and read 4668 times.

Horus,

I got your India questions answered.

According to B747-437B, Air India currently does not have any plans for Cairo (CAI).

Here is the information he gave me about New Delhi:

Indira Gandhi International Airport (DEL/VIDP) is located at 28°33' 59" North, 77°6' 11" East at a field elevation of 776 feet above sea level. The airport services the metropolitan area of the city of New Delhi (pop. 13,780,000) and is physically located on the outskirts of the nearby town of Gurgaon, Haryana.

The airport is the second busiest in India and serves as the primary international gateway to North India with service from 38 international carriers in addition to flag carrier Air India. It also serves as a hub for domestic carriers Indian Airlines, Jet Airways and Air Sahara. The airport averages 237 daily scheduled commercial movements with daily averages of 23,285 passengers and 667.9 tons of cargo.


Hope this helps.

Regards

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Pbb152
Posted 2004-03-14 06:09:57 and read 4560 times.

Horus,


Any updates on Egyptair's proposed service to IAH?


Pete

Topic: RE: Egypt Air- Sending Strange Aircraft On Some Routes
Username: Horus
Posted 2004-03-14 15:07:04 and read 4473 times.

Pbb152

Chairman, Eng. Atef Abdel Hamid Mostafa, is expected to announce new routes in August/September which should include the launch of flights to Houston and Hong Kong by next year. I'll keep you up-to-date when news comes in.

Please ask, if you have any more questions!

Horus


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