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Topic: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: VIAF
Posted 2004-03-24 19:35:18 and read 4198 times.

Hi all

I was wondering why Lufthansa named this plane also "Landshut" !


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If I have an Airline I will not give this name anymore to another plane!!

Of course the passengers will not notice this,but in memorial about this tragic incidence!!

On 13.Oktober1977 the plane "Landshut" was hijacked during the flight from Palma de Mallorca to Frankfurt!Diverted to Mogadishu with a stop in Aden where the Hijackers killed the captain!

It`s just my opinion!

What do you think?

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: Go3Team
Posted 2004-03-24 19:45:29 and read 4178 times.

Out of curiousity what does "Landshut" translate to?

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: PUnmuth@VIE
Posted 2004-03-24 20:11:14 and read 4157 times.

Landshut is a city in Bavaria, Germany. Literally translated it means "countryhat"
Peter

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: Airsicknessbag
Posted 2004-03-24 20:32:16 and read 4088 times.

LH simply don´t retire aircrafts´ names. They make long term committments to the cities which become sort of "godmothers" for that plane.

Even when a plane crashes, the name will be re-assigned to another plane.

Examples that spring to mind: Hessen, Kulmbach, Essen, Duesseldorf - all flying again. (Interesting titbit: two out of five Duesseldorfs crashed [the first two]).


Also, the Landshut case was, while highly newsworthy, relatively minor in effect. It was in fact a major sweeping victory in Germany´s war against terrorism. It might be considered as THE turning point which led to the eventual overall demise of left wing terrorism in Germany.

Daniel Smile

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: Paulianer
Posted 2004-03-24 20:48:52 and read 3995 times.

a good example are the names of the Lufthansa A340-200, all airframes are now retired and names will be used for the new A340-600's... I think those names are Nürnberg (D-AIBA/D-AIHA), Leverkusen (D-AIBC/D-AIHE), Essen (D-AIBD/D-AIHC), Stuttgart (D-AIBE/D-AIHD), Lübeck (D-AIBF/D-AIHF) and Bremerhaven (D-AIBH/D-AIHB)...

In fact there are two aircraft named "Lübeck" arround, because the old A340-200 is still in LH colors and awaiting its D-Check at HAM...

Greetings
Tobi

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: PanAm747
Posted 2004-03-24 20:50:40 and read 3970 times.

According to the aviation-safety.net, the airplane hijacked to Mogadishu was D-ABCE:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1977/771013-0.htm

Also, according to jetphotos.net/census, a check of the registration D-ABHM says this plane, a 737-230(A) was delivered in 1981. The hijacking to Somalia occured in 1977.

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: Airsicknessbag
Posted 2004-03-24 20:52:09 and read 3957 times.

What LH did, however, was the following:

More or less immediately after the incident, they quietly took away the "Landshut" name from the hijacked a/c, D-ABCE, which in turn got a new name. That way, the flying public could travel on D-ABCE without ever realising they were in fact on the former Landshut.

And if the travellers got the creeps on the new Landshut, D-ABHM, they could be reassured like "Relax guys, this plane was built in 1981."

This:


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is the "old" Landshut.

Today´s Landshut:


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btw, the complete routing was PMI-FCO-LCA-BAH-ADE-MGQ, if I remember correctly.

Daniel Smile

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Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: Kevin752
Posted 2004-03-25 06:28:43 and read 3650 times.

I never knew about this hijacked plane of LH. It says that his incident lasted 5 day's. That is a long hijcking.

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: PanAm747
Posted 2004-03-25 19:43:22 and read 3426 times.

Kevin752, this was one of the more grueling hijackings in history. The 737 diverted first to Rome, where the German authorities begged the Italians to hold the plane on the ground. But Italy, fearful of retaliation from the left-wing violence so common to Europe in the '70's, let the plane take off.

Sadly, after a hard landing in Aden, the hijackers became enraged when either the pilot or the co-pilot (I don't remember which) left the plane to inspect for possible damage. When he returned to the cabin, they shot him and threw him out of the plane, leaving the other crew member to fly the plane. When it landed in Mogadishu, the hijackers knew this would be their last stand, and actually doused the passengers in flammable liquid. A West German commando force stormed the plane and killed all four hijackers. The "compatriots" of the hijackers, members of the notorious Baader-Meinhof gang, committed suicide in jail.

This effectively spelled the end of left-wing violence in Europe. While there were other actions (specifically, the Red Brigade in Italy committed several kidnappings), the groups never held the level of fear that they did before.

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: Jumbopilot
Posted 2004-03-25 20:28:01 and read 3288 times.

VIAF, I respect your emotions about that. But I think, LH and the city of Landshut could find other ways to honor the memory of the victims of that terrible act.

I think it is a sign of strength and pride to use this name on the same or the next plane. It is one way to recall every time all over the routes of that plane.

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: Airsicknessbag
Posted 2004-03-25 21:06:12 and read 3244 times.


Some minor addition/correction to what PanAm747 said.

>>>Sadly, after a hard landing in Aden, the hijackers became enraged when either the pilot or the co-pilot (I don't remember which) left the plane to inspect for possible damage.

It was the Cpt. He had gone out of sight, so the hijackers assumed he had contacted the ground forces. It is unclear until today whether he actually did or did not.

The gear had been damaged because the Landshut had to land on the taxiway at ADE, because the authorities had blocked off the runway. That taxiway might even have been unpaved, I don´t remember that. Due that incident, the last leg ADE-MGQ had to be flown with gears extended.

>>>A West German commando force stormed the plane and killed all four hijackers.

A fifth one survived.

Daniel Smile

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: GodBless
Posted 2004-03-25 22:54:16 and read 3107 times.

A fifth one survived.
What was the story of that person? Was that the lady that got released from prison a while ago?

Max

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: VIAF
Posted 2004-03-26 09:24:12 and read 2977 times.


I`m not sure if she`s still in the prison?

I guess no !!!!!!!!!!!!



VIAF

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: Airsicknessbag
Posted 2004-03-26 17:05:43 and read 2862 times.


RE Sohaila Andrawes, the surving terrorist (3 out of 4 died, I was wrong about there being 5)

1978: A Somali court sentences her to 20 years; shortly thereafter, she´s deported to Bagdad from where she´s free to go to Prague
1991: She immigrates to Norway where she´s granted political asylum because of Abu Nidal´s death threats
1994: She´s arrested after intensive lobbying by Germany
1995: She´s extradited to Germany
1996: She´s sentenced to only 12 years in exchange for her testimony against another terrorist, the one who smuggled the weapons from Algiers to Mallorca
1997: She´s extradited to Norway
2000: She´s pardonned and continues to live in Oslo as a free woman


Also, if you pardon me for mentioning another piece of this mosaic: the overall aim was to liberate 11 senior terrorists from German prisons. In order to do that, the Rote Armee Fraktion kidnapped the president of the Confederation of German Employers' Associations (i.e. Germany´s top capitalist in the terrorists´ eyes), Hanns-Martin Schleyer (and killed his entourage of 4 men). The German government refused to be blackmailed. Then, the PFLP, friends of the RAF, hijacked that plane to increase the pressure on Germany - to no avail: the German Chancellor decided to free the hostages by force. After this mission was carried out successfully, four of those 11 top terrorists heard the news, decided they had lost their gamble and committed suicide (one survived though). A day later, their accomplices murdered their hostage Schleyer.

As I said before, that was then basically the end of left wing terror in Germany.

Daniel Smile

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: PanAm747
Posted 2004-03-26 17:25:50 and read 2776 times.

Airsicknessbag, thank you for the information...there was extensive coverage at the time, and I believe Reader's Digest had a story called "Triumph At Mogadishu" a couple of years after that. I didn't remember the routing after Rome other than Aden - Mogadishu.

On a related note, in 1985, did the Beirut airport authorities actually ever try to block the runway to keep the hijacked TWA 727 flight 840 from landing? I know the pilot landed the plane with a gun to his head despite the tower saying something to the effect of "the fuel here is contaminated...go away". Any help?

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: Phaeton
Posted 2004-03-26 18:24:29 and read 2701 times.

I once saw this very good documentary on the "Landshut" hijacking. It featured some interviews with hostages and Helmut Schmidt (was he the Bundeskanzler in 1977?). It also had some re-inacted scenes. The German Special Forces, the "GSG9" did a really good job on freeing the hostages. BTW, the "GSG9" was established after the failed attempt to free the Israeli hostages at Riem Airport after they were taken hostage by terrorists during the Olympic Games in Munich in 1972.

Thomas

Topic: RE: The Hijacked Plane "Landshut"
Username: Airsicknessbag
Posted 2004-03-26 18:28:13 and read 2689 times.

>>>in 1985, did the Beirut airport authorities actually ever try to block the runway to keep the hijacked TWA 727 flight 840 from landing?

Uh, that I don´t know, sorry.

>>>Helmut Schmidt (was he the Bundeskanzler in 1977?).

Yes. He would have resigned if the liberation had gone wrong.

>>>The gear had been damaged because the Landshut had to land on the taxiway at ADE, because the authorities had blocked off the runway. That taxiway might even have been unpaved, I don´t remember that.

I can now confirm that that ADE taxiway was indeed an unpaved dirt strip.

Also, re the murdered cpt: he had communicated with the authorities, e.g. by putting 4 unsmoked cigarettes in the trash or by inserting single German words into the communications with the outside world. The problem was that the transportation minister of Dubai in an interview by some local radio station stated how glad he was about those hints.  Insane
The dead body remained on board on the last leg (ADE-MGQ) in a wardrobe locker, then was deposed at MGQ via the emergency chute as the smell became unbearable (60° C in the cabin).

And finally, I forgot DXB: PMI-FCO-LCA-BAH-DXB-ADE-MGQ


Daniel Smile


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