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Topic: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: AirAmericaC46
Posted 2004-04-15 06:13:08 and read 5135 times.

I need data on cities/airports which lost B747 services--scheduled, seasonal, technical stops or regular charters.
Kindly post at least the airline, routing, and the date when the last B747 was operated (if not, year 747 service was curtailed should be sufficient); if you have the schedule and timetable that would be best.

Examples:

1. Pittsburgh

BA 744 LHR - PHL - PIT daily what year?

2. Manaus

RG 743 GRU - Manaus daily what year

3. Biak

GA 742 JKT - DPS - Biak - HNL - LAX what year?

4. Mashad

IR 747 THR - Mashad daily What year?

5. General Santos

PR 742 MNL - General Santos what year?


any other cities/airports?







Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Gomuppets
Posted 2004-04-15 06:46:11 and read 5079 times.

BWI used to have KLM from AMS. Sometime in the early/mid 90s (I think) they transferred their service over to IAD. Better yields on the loads was the main reasoning i think.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Deltaffindfw
Posted 2004-04-15 06:55:22 and read 5061 times.


CVG -

AF to CDG - sometime in 2002?

DAL -

DL to ATL or LAX - 1974 (when DL moved to DFW)
Braniff - same timeframe and reason

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Njdevilsin03
Posted 2004-04-15 06:57:52 and read 5041 times.

FLL

TowerAir 747's fll-jfk

Air Canada used to fly 747's in here occasionally was sitting at the end of the runway in the early to mid 90's and watched one fly right over my head in the old paint scheme.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Ual747
Posted 2004-04-15 07:06:19 and read 5002 times.

DFW

KE to ICN
JL to NRT

UAL747

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Deltaffindfw
Posted 2004-04-15 07:12:15 and read 4970 times.


UAL747 - JL was a 747? I know from 1999 to 9/11, it was an MD-11. When did the 747 fly here? Wish I had seen it!!!

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Bookin
Posted 2004-04-15 07:26:24 and read 4930 times.

Yeah but in a few years, if they suffer a major fire they could regain the precious 747 sevice from one of these...

http://www.everzone.org/down/highaltitudedrop.wmv

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: LH526
Posted 2004-04-15 08:11:25 and read 4875 times.

SCL/SCEL Santiago de Chile

Once it saw Lufthansa, British Airways, and KLM B744, now they either dropped the service or switched to A340.
Even Iberia flew to SCL suign it's old B742.

Mario
LH526

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Twalives
Posted 2004-04-15 15:40:21 and read 4755 times.

STL - TWA

STL-JFK 1997?
STL-HNL 1997?
Others?

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Tavong
Posted 2004-04-15 15:43:45 and read 4738 times.

SKBO used to hva 744 service from LH and AF but when they got A340-300 the 744 was finished here  Sad

Gus
SKBO

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Bartond
Posted 2004-04-15 15:49:23 and read 4708 times.

Deltaffindfw - JAL did operate a 744 to DFW for awhile but then switched over to the MD11 before quitting the service altogether. I think you're right in that the 744 service was around 1999 before the switch.  Crying

DFW also used to get a Thai 747 and a Lufthansa 747 back in the 1980's...now we get no pax 747 service but for cargo we have China Airlines, Eva, Singapore, Korean, Atlas, and another one or two.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Ams
Posted 2004-04-15 15:50:34 and read 4700 times.

Maybe ATH does not receive 747's anymore, Maybe some ATH specialist can comment.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Rev3oh2
Posted 2004-04-15 16:06:48 and read 4625 times.

Lufthansa began serving Charlotte, N.C., (CLT) to Frankfurt with 747 service in 1990 but several years later, possibly early to mid-90's (can't be more specific) halted service after US Airways began flying 767 service on same route. To date, no further regularly scheduled 747 service has come to Charlotte, although Lufthansa just last month resumed service to Charlotte from Munich using A343's.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Lubicon
Posted 2004-04-15 16:31:32 and read 4569 times.

YEG lost theirs when Wardair folded and Air Canada cut back their routes. YYC will likely lose 747 service (Air Canada) when the 747's are retired. They used to have summer service to LHR or FRA.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Maehara
Posted 2004-04-15 16:49:14 and read 4492 times.

Don't have full details, but HRE used to get 747 services from at least BA, Qantas & KL.

Qantas was twice weekly (stop-over on the way to JNB), discontinued in 1998.
Not sure on the frequence & end date of the KLM flights.
BA to HRE was 4-weekly at one stage - currently 3-weekly with a 777.

Hopefully someone else can fill in the blanks...!

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: GARUDAROD
Posted 2004-04-15 16:51:56 and read 4472 times.


Re: Example #3
GA operated the last B747-200Combi from CGK/DPS/BIK/HNL/LAX vv in
November 1995, I believe it was Nov 11th or 12th. The aircraft, 3B-NAS,
ex ZS-SAR, was returned to its lender and then converted into a B747F
for operation by SAA Cargo. The route to LAX was replaced by MD-11's and
the routing was changed to CGK/HNL/LAX/HNL/DPS/CGK. We used to move
a lot of cargo on that Combi!!! It was a shame to see it go. On the day of the
inaugural flight through BIK, I have heard that in excess of 25,000 natives came out of their shacks and huts and lined the runway to watch the giant
plane as it came in. They did not have a Maindeck Loader in BIK, so we could
never load cargo for the maindeck destined there. We did one time have an
engine that had to ride on the maindeck, so they found a Fork lift somewhere
on the island to get it off the plane.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Ssides
Posted 2004-04-15 17:56:30 and read 4352 times.

If you want to go back a bit more at DFW, AA had 747SP service to AA), Japan">NRT in the late 80s/early 90s before it got its MD-11s. Braniff also served DFW with 747s, I know they flew the DFW-LON route, but I can't remember if they served LHR or LGW (I think it was LHR).

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Arcano
Posted 2004-04-15 18:00:37 and read 4332 times.

As LH526 said, sadly SCL has no more 747 (only cargo ones). Last one was LH747 before they got 346.

Apparently when AR starts operations in Chile they'll bring them back!

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: ScottishLaddie
Posted 2004-04-15 18:02:30 and read 4314 times.

EDI had a summer charter to SFB using EAF 742s that only lasted a couple of years and stopped in 2002. Since then no regular jumbos apart from the rugby charters we see for the Scotland V France rugby game every 2 years. This year being a year when they came here.


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Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Capital146
Posted 2004-04-15 18:08:46 and read 4290 times.

Wardair operated B747's each summer in the 1980's to from YYZ to BHX, NCL and LBA, none of these UK airports receive regular B747 services today.

LBA flight arrived each Monday (non-stop inbound, via BHX outbound)

Think NCL was also weekly.

BHX may have had more than one flight each week.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Juanr
Posted 2004-04-15 18:15:37 and read 4260 times.

Gus, here in BOG we have not lost 747 services, still cargo airlines fly them here; Atlas has 2 daily flights on 747 to BOG and sonn Cargolux will have, also I think that Air France Cargo flies here with 747.

Greetings from BOG

JUAN
A VERY PROUD CITIZEN OF BOGOTA
SKBO

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: RockyRacoon
Posted 2004-04-15 18:27:34 and read 4205 times.

Another CVG one

SN flew CVG-BRU with a 743, before they went out a business. Well the NW cargo 742 is around still, but the damn thing lands aroun 24:00. God it would be nice to see AF resume 747 serivce to CVG again  Insane


peace

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Flynavy
Posted 2004-04-15 18:27:57 and read 4205 times.

Aside from VS, MCO no longer sees any scheduled 747 service. BA switched 744 equip. to 772 some years ago. Saudi Arabian served MCO with a 744, as well as El Al, with a 742. Northwest and KLM also served MCO with a 747 at one time, also. KLM also brought a DC-10 in. Some proof...


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There are no photos in the database of KLM's 747 at MCO.

SFB receives a 742 from European Air Charter, also.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: KLMflyer
Posted 2004-04-15 18:43:54 and read 4135 times.

My hometown, Bergamo, some 30 miles to the east of Milan, along the highway from Milan to Venice and at the beginning of the Alps, has an airport - Bergamo-Orio al Serio (BGY) - that started as a small 3-flights per day airport back in 1975 and today is the 3rd airport within the Milan greater area and Italy's hub for Ryanair.
Well BGY airport used to receive a weekly visit by an EL AL B747-200 that regularly flew on the Bergamo/Tel Aviv route on a weekly basis.
Once the new Milan-Malpensa airport was opened, this EL AL flight has been rerouted from MXP and BGY lost its unique B747 experience.
By the way, since Bergamo is a small city (population 110.000) the very first day of operation of the EL AL's B747-200, a giant picture of the jumbo jet was portrayed on the from page of the local daily paper L'Eco di Bergamo.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Leskova
Posted 2004-04-15 19:46:18 and read 4064 times.

Harare (HRE) not only lost BA, QF and KL, they also lost AF and LH, both used to operate there (going through JNB)... LH later combined HRE with WDH (they even had full traffic rights from HRE to WDH and back), but when the political situation in Zimbabwe got worse - combined with the decline in traffic - they first rerouted the flight from FRA-HRE-WDH-HRE-FRA to FRA-WDH-HRE-WDH-FRA, then they cut HRE out and then left WDH as well.

Regards,
Frank

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: TurkishSky
Posted 2004-04-15 20:57:44 and read 3999 times.

I dont remember exactly when they stopped but IST lost:

SQ to SIN; now B777
SV to JED; now B777
IR to THR; now A310
PK to ISB and KHI; now suspended

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: ConcordeBoy
Posted 2004-04-15 21:13:56 and read 3932 times.

MSY featured scheduled domestic 747 service, but of course, no longer.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Aa61hvy
Posted 2004-04-15 21:24:18 and read 3895 times.

DFW has no Passenger service with a 747, but we get a good amount of cargo 747s:
UPS
China Air
Southern Air
Lufthansa (flew one to DFW yesterday)
KAL
Atlas
SQ
Eva
Evergreen (seasonal)

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: NDSchu777
Posted 2004-04-16 01:05:28 and read 3804 times.

Northwest once served MKE with 747's. Here are the 747 flights from the December 18, 1974 Northwest Orient timetable.

Dep Arr Flight Stops Freq Eq
JFK-MKE
1930 2048 NW221 0 Daily 747
MKE-JFK
1345 1640 NW220 0 Daily 747
MKE-MSP
1915 2015 NW711 0 Daily 747
2130 2231 NW221 0 Daily 747
MSP-MKE
1200 1301 NW220 0 Daily 747
TPA-MKE
1655 1830 NW711 0 Daily 747

I'm not sure when Northwest discontinued flying 747's to MKE, my guess would be in the late 70's/early 80's around deregulation and the Republic merger. Maybe someone else on here has a better idea. It's pretty cool that 747's served Milwaukee at one time, although too bad they're not there anymore other than the occasional visit from Air Force One.

~Nick

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: N62NA
Posted 2004-04-16 01:19:03 and read 3766 times.

Well, just for historical purposes - looking at my OAG from 1976:

MKE had NW 747 service to JFK and MSP
DAL (Love Field in Dallas) had DL 747 service to LAX

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Klmdude
Posted 2004-04-16 13:23:39 and read 3644 times.

It was sad to learn that Sao Paulo GRU lost the KLM B747-400 Combi since March 29th 2004. Now it is 777.....

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Airplanetire
Posted 2004-04-16 23:30:04 and read 3464 times.

ATL has lost all 747 service not counting cargo, at least for the moment.

-JAL used to fly a 744 here, but terminated that service several years ago.
-Swissair used to fly a 743 here several years ago, but then they got rid of those, switching to an MD-11, then an A330-200, then they quit ATL, and then they went bankrupt.
-Delta flew 747s here way back in the day.
-SAA flew them here until February when they switched to an A340-600, and soon they are leaving ATL all together to go to IAD.
-Korean Air flies 744s here in the summer, but at the moment they are flying 772s into ATL.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: EK40
Posted 2004-04-16 23:41:11 and read 3441 times.

BHX used to get regular PIA B742 & B743 to KHI,ISB,LHE via CPH although towards the end a few operated direct out of BHX, we lost them to A310 sometime in 2002, we also used to get a weekly B747 freight service for Jaguar but that has now moved to EMA

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: MikeTheActuary
Posted 2004-04-17 02:35:41 and read 3318 times.

ISTR that NW used to have 747 into MEM. For example, I remember for a while a 747 served MSP-MEM.

Given the changes that NW has been making there, I can't imagine a non-cargo 747 operating there now.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Nickofatlanta
Posted 2004-04-17 02:44:39 and read 3280 times.

KLM also used to fly 747s into ATL.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Thrust
Posted 2004-04-17 02:51:20 and read 3256 times.

STL lost 747 service waaayyyyyy back when the TWA 747-100s still were in service. We used to get 1 or 2 TWA 747-100s per day at STL. And what beautiful aircraft they were.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Goose
Posted 2004-04-17 04:20:45 and read 3176 times.

AC's 744 service in YYC was seasonal, and only for a year or so recently. Before then.... aside from Charters and other noteable flights, YYC had no 747s on a regular basis.

Before AC had the 744s coming in during last summer or so, CP and WD operated 747s out of the city throughout the 70s and 80s.....

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Stefandotde
Posted 2004-04-17 21:01:57 and read 3036 times.

How many 747 will be produced a month right now?
They are getting older and older and other more modern planes arrived. Ok, the 747 is one of the most beautiful planes in the world but airlines don't deceide to buy beautiful but economical planes.
That is why the days of the 747 are counted - and that means: less of them in the skies and in the airports.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Indio66
Posted 2004-04-17 21:05:32 and read 3018 times.

How about PHX??? Does BA or LH use a 74 any more?

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: SIA_B777
Posted 2004-04-17 21:22:54 and read 2980 times.

Indio66

I believe BA has upgraded the PHX-LHR flight to a 744 (or if not already, they are planning to)

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: AirAmericaC46
Posted 2004-04-19 05:53:04 and read 2791 times.

Thanks for the Garuda data GARUDAROD. Interesting story about that 747 inaugural flight to Biak. I hope someone had a film about it and a copy be donated to a "future Boeing 747 museum"

Anybody knows if PanAm 747 served Wake Island in the early 70's? I remember seeing a PanAm ad when I was growing up showing its B747 and the list of cities the wide-body served that included TYO, HKG, SFO, HNL, Wake Island, GUM, SIN. Would this mean a 747 SFO-HNL-WAK-GUM-SIN?

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: B747_A340
Posted 2004-04-19 06:05:21 and read 2762 times.

GUA lost 747 service when KLM suspended their AMS-MEX-GUA route some years ago


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Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: PanAm747
Posted 2004-04-19 07:40:12 and read 2673 times.

SAN had a British Airways 747-400 flight from LGW for several years, originally an add-on from their flight to LAX. Believe me, you haven't seen an amazing site until you see a 747 skirting rooftops on the approach to SAN!! There are no words to describe it.

Its final routing was LGW-PHX-SAN-PHX-LGW, the stop in Phoenix necessary as a technical layover - the runway is too short to allow 747-400 to get off the ground fully loaded. When BA started acquiring 777's, there was apparently enough service for each city to be justified in receiving its own flight.

Unfortunately, even before 9/11, British Airways discovered they were having a tough time filling a lot of the business class seats. With great fanfare, the service was switched to Heathrow airport, but then the daily service was reduced to five days a week, then the arrival time was switched to several different ones, and then eventually terminated altogether.

As much as I love that hot rod 777, the arrival of the 747 was just simply mind-blowing. I miss it SO much!!

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Cospn
Posted 2004-04-19 10:50:09 and read 2603 times.

Wow Glad we still have NW and JL in SPN ?????????

Can't Belive all these cities with no 747 service, and our Island only has 60,000

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: UTA_flyingHIGH
Posted 2004-04-19 10:51:01 and read 2602 times.

Forget about losing it, at CMF we never had it  Smile

UTA

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Mozart
Posted 2004-04-19 13:50:19 and read 2596 times.

You may want to do a bit of research on when those flights ended, but scratching my head a bit, here are some I can think of:

1) LUX - lost Luxair/Luxavia 747SP on Luxembourg-South Africa Service, I believe by mid-end 80s. Since then, only cargo 747s (quite many though)

2) DUS - used to have LH 747-200s on the FRA-DUS-ANC-NRT-OSA route. Stopped by end 80s?

3) HAM - same as DUS, except that this was a stop on the FRA-HAM-ANC-NRT-OSA route

4) Berlin SXF - used to have SQ 744 coming in through VIE

5) NCE - had Air France 747s, on their way to South Africa and maybe some other destinations I think

6-8) LIL, BOD, TLS - used to have Air France 747s with service to the French West Indies. But maybe Corsair serves them with 747s now?

9) Marseille - no more Air Cameroon 747s and no more Air Gabon 747s

10) DUB - used to see Aer Lingus 747s, now 330s

11) LIS - used to see Varig 747s and SAA 747s for some time

12) GVA - Thai 744s stopped just a couple of weeks ago, Swissair 747-300 some years ago already

13) Ajaccio on Corsica: had Air France scheduled 747s coming in from Paris in spring/summer last year

14) Vienna - has lost SQ, RJ 747s.

15) SXM - KLM no longer uses the 747, but now uses the MD-11 if I am not mistaken

16) Cayenne (French Guyana) - AF has downgraded the 747 to an A340

17) Caracas - I believe LH was the last airline to go there on a 747, ended about 6-7 years ago, now is A340

18) Amman - since RJ has retired its 747s, I think there are no more 747s coming into AMM

19) Kigali, Bujumbura - Sabena and Air France went there on their 747s, but that must have stopped around 10-12 years ago

20) Dakar - AF was the last airline to use a 747 there, right after 9/11 when they shifted capactiy to Africa. Now is a 777

21) Monrovia - the last 747 there must have been Pan Am on its fligths from JFK to Lagos/Nairobi

22) Las Palmas, Canary Islands - at least KLM and PA went there (that's what I know from the crash), but I think also IB used it as a stop. (Note of interest: there still is an Iberia 747 going to nearby Tenerife Norte airport)

23) Montevideo - Air France or LH must have been the last to pull its 747

24) Lima - no more LH, no more AF

25) La Paz - LH was the last, stopped by end 80s

26) Quito - LH was the last

27) Guatemala City - IB used to go there with 747s

28) Kathmandu - saw some LH 744s around the end 90s for a short time

29) Kinshasa - SN went there with a 747

30-31) Douala and Yaoundé: Air Cameroon no longer has its 747s, and other airlines don't go there on 747s

Ones I am not sure about:

32) BRU: any airline currently flies to BRU with a 747? If not, then at least I can positively say that BRU used to see some (SN, SQ)

33) BCN: currently no airline uses a 747 into BCN, but I think that IB used to at some point, going BCN-MD), Spain">MAD and then continuing somewhere intercont

Check with the specialists of the respective airlines on this forum, they certainly can give you the details.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: TexAussie
Posted 2004-04-19 14:18:11 and read 2465 times.

DFW also used to get 747s from Northwest Orient (to SFO and on to NRT) and also used to get Air New Zealand 747s from Auckland/Papeete, continuing on to London.

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Mozart
Posted 2004-04-19 14:28:13 and read 2441 times.

Oh yes, and before I forget it:

34) Baghdad! Iraqi had 747s. I leave it up to you to figure out when SDA lost its 747 services...  Wink/being sarcastic

Topic: RE: Cities That Completely Lost B747 Services
Username: Leezyjet
Posted 2004-04-19 14:43:03 and read 2405 times.

Can you imagine the day when we can add LHR to this list !!!.


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