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Topic: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: Dalmd88
Posted 2004-05-04 12:56:17 and read 3213 times.

In this mornings AJC Delta said it agrees with ALPA that the trigger has been met to begin recalling pilots. They are now working on the recall timeline. Should be about 20-50 a month until all 1060 are recalled

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: ScottysAir
Posted 2004-05-04 18:02:31 and read 3075 times.

It is very good news for DL is make recalled with their pilot.

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: Ssides
Posted 2004-05-04 18:05:38 and read 3057 times.

No, it's not good news. I don't see how DL is going to make it if they have to start paying an additional 1,000 pilots. What routes are they going to fly? True, they'll be flying reduced hours, but this is going to cost DL a ton of cash. With the highest pilot-labor costs in the industry, I think DL will need some serious restructuring in order to avoid bankruptcy.

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: Papatango
Posted 2004-05-04 18:06:35 and read 3050 times.

It is not good news they will now have approx 118 mil more in expenses which they can not afford!

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: AAJAXFlyer
Posted 2004-05-04 18:06:48 and read 3049 times.

Anymore word on the status of the pay cut? Looks like even if Delta pilots took a 30+% pay cut, they'd still be ahead of other carriers on many fronts.

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: S12PPL
Posted 2004-05-04 18:41:48 and read 2996 times.

I've heard they're also going to recal about 300 F/A's....but from a trusted source, this is because that is how many current F/A's have retired or quit because they're fed-up with management right now.

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: Dalmd88
Posted 2004-05-04 18:43:50 and read 2982 times.

Relax, they are not all going to be back next month. At 20 a month it will take 53 months to pring them all back on payroll. That is over 4 1/2 years. When they do come back they will all be put into where there is a true need or if they are in surplus they will go into the lowest paid catagory. This only adds $200K to the pilot payroll every month. If nine senior captians retire every month it about equals out.

What does an RJ cost? My guess is more than the $2.4m each returning class would get paid in a year. Delta recently placed an order for 45 new Crj's.

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: AUAE
Posted 2004-05-04 18:48:53 and read 2945 times.

Pretty quiet on the rumor front around here. I think we all expect the pilot union to hold out until contract negotiations start. I don't get the impression the company is really pushing for a sit down either; just talking a lot to what the cuts need to be.

Any DAL pilots out there..??? I have a question:

For the rehired pilots, when they get retrained, they don't just go back to the a/c type they were flying right? They come in at the bottom and everyone bumps up, creating more retraining. ?????

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: Bucky707
Posted 2004-05-04 21:14:17 and read 2847 times.

"Any DAL pilots out there..??? I have a question:

For the rehired pilots, when they get retrained, they don't just go back to the a/c type they were flying right? They come in at the bottom and everyone bumps up, creating more retraining. ?????"


They will not just go back to what they were flying. The 250 recalled after the Iraq war sat unassigned until they were needed, and then as seats come open, the recalled pilots bid them like any other pilot. There were some 737 FO seats that no one bid, so now the are being assigned to the junior most pilots. I believe at this time we have roughly 60 pilots still unassigned.

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: DeltaGuy
Posted 2004-05-04 22:48:14 and read 2759 times.

Very very good news for DL pilots! At that rate, that will take some time...but with many of 767/777 pilots choosing early retirement, it'll be interesting to see how things pan out.

The 250 recalled after the Iraq war sat unassigned until they were needed, and then as seats come open. I believe at this time we have roughly 60 pilots still unassigned.

Correct, my father and some others I know were in the 250, were furloughed 1 May, but were recalled with the rest as of 1 December- and they're still sitting around fully paid and assigned to the 73S B seat, but still no training date. Most of the group have been put back on the line, just that few still sittin, with no word on a training date. One day, someday, that 1060th guy will be back on the 732, but alot older by then.

DeltaGuy

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: Cjuniel
Posted 2004-05-04 23:35:47 and read 2696 times.

I hate the D&G posts (not Dolce and Gabbana, Doom and Gloom), but I have a hard time seeing how this is good news for Delta. The financial picture for Delta gets cloudier by the day, and recalling pilots is only going to add to their debt. I suppose this may be good news for the furloughed employees but in the longer term, unless Delta gets MAJOR contract concessions from their employees they will be under Chapter 11 reorganization before summer's end. This is the same airline that has deferred most of their 777 fleet because they cant come to a contract agreement with their pilots. Call me crazy, but I have never understood where Delta's pilots felt that the MASSIVE pay raise they received was justified. I am singling out the pilots because they make the most money. They can voluntarily take pay cuts, or risk even deeper cuts imposed if the airline enters reorganization. The unions at UAL tried to play hardball and lost, and unlike UAL and their hometown of Chicago, Delta is hated by most media outlets in Atlanta. They will have a field day if Delta doesn't get it together, and the last thing they can afford is a PR disaster this summer.

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: Flashmeister
Posted 2004-05-05 04:34:56 and read 2545 times.

they're still sitting around fully paid and assigned to the 73S B seat, but still no training date

How is this good news? If they're being paid but not doing anything, then it just costs Delta money that the company needs elsewhere. If the pilots really do feel that this is a good thing, then perhaps they need to re-evaluate who they work for.

When the company goes Ch.11, the pilots are affected, too. This seems like a pretty shortsighted reason to declare victory to me.

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: Sean-SAN-
Posted 2004-05-05 06:51:45 and read 2466 times.

Rumor ALSO is these pilots will all go to the new CRJ's at the DL WO's at much lower regional pay rates.

Sean

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: AUAE
Posted 2004-05-05 12:48:14 and read 2409 times.

Thanks Bucky707 and DeltaGuy,

Maybe we can find some more aircraft to fly to get these guys flying again. And no...don't even suggest bringing those MD-11's out of storage!  Smile


Shawn

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: Bucky707
Posted 2004-05-05 14:27:28 and read 2372 times.

"Rumor ALSO is these pilots will all go to the new CRJ's at the DL WO's at much lower regional pay rates"

I can kill that rumor. They will not go to CRJs at ASA and CMR.

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: DeltaGuy
Posted 2004-05-05 22:18:18 and read 2245 times.

I understand that AA has a flowback agreement with Eagle, but none exists for DL and ASA/Comair...I still find it interesting that mainline was furloughing pilots/parking jets, whilst the regionals were doing the opposite, hiring pilots/buying jets, and those pilot jobs weren't made available to the DL furloughees. (unless they resigned from mainline?)

Flashmeister- As for the group of paid pilots waiting for training on the 732- management didn't need them as of the moment, and I'm sure they were doing that so that they could easily furlough them if need-be. It wasn't just to pay them for no reason  Smile Last I heard, theyre still not on the line. Remember that mgmt wanted 1400 pilots furloughed, they only got around 1150-ish until an arbitrator rulled that "force majure" was no longer a sufficient reason to keep the layoffs going. Shortly after the Iraqi war started up, there went 250 more guys, closing in on mgmt's goal of 1400...and that was foiled again after another arbitration. I'm certainly not an expert, but this is the gyst I got.

DeltaGuy

Topic: RE: DL To Recall Pilots
Username: Dl1011
Posted 2004-05-06 18:48:40 and read 2148 times.

I think the only choice will be-

1. Just go ahead and file CH11.

2. Have the lawyers at the courthouse, ready to file and give the pilots a take it or leave it choice. Pretty much as American Airlines did.

The other employee groups are non union and have had cuts in everything but pay, but that will probably change.

This is really not meant as a pilot-bashing post as I blame
management as much or more for allowing such a contract to be signed.

Cheers.


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