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Topic: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2004-08-06 11:33:23 and read 7340 times.

Hey, i've been interested in these companies for a while, and its great to see them still operating the B747-200. I had a few questions regarding the companies/airlines.

Firstly, are they all under one operator, but represent two airlines? Because TF-ABA and TF-ABP are in full Travel City Direct colours, TF-ATD is all white and TF-ARG has the basic blue belly (form BA Utopia) with "Air Atlanta Europe" titles.

Also, they seem to operate under different codes. For example, today there are four flights to Sanford, 2 from MAN and 2 from LGW. One from both MAN and LGW operate under 5A, and the other one from each operate under EUK. On Airlinecodes.co.uk 5A is some US regional carrier. So is this all the same carrier.

Thanks
-Stephen

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Geoffm
Posted 2004-08-06 12:23:13 and read 7276 times.

Firstly, Travelcitydirect is a tour company which owns no planes. Air Atlanta (last year TCD used European Aviation) operates the planes for TCD, although I'm not sure how crewing works - probably Air Atlanta Europe pilots and FAs, although the latter wear TCD livery. Confused?

We used them last year on LGW-SFB. Six hours late due to technical problems earlier in the week, and the delays from that hadn't been recovered. Two weeks later they were on time going back. Food was okay, service was fine, but the IFE was shaky at best - the centre block of seats in the rear cabin didn't have any audio.

I believe then the flight code was EAF. Obviously that was the old leasing company, so it is more likely to be an Air Atlanta code now.

Geoff M.

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: GKirk
Posted 2004-08-06 12:28:06 and read 7265 times.

Air Atlanta Europe use the EUK code, I believe the travel city direct flights use TCY codes

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Diesel1
Posted 2004-08-06 12:29:39 and read 7271 times.

Stephen.. in answer to your question, yes they are the same carrier, BAA.com shows 5A121 from SFD, and Flytecomm.com shows EUK121 - one and the same flight

To further confuse the situation, (as GKirk states) the Travelcity charter from SFD to CWL was shown operating with a TCY code this week according to the arrival details on Teletext.

Incidentally, not a happy flight - well at least for the passengers due to return this week.

24 hour delay due to engine fault and many unhappy with an unexpected fuel stop at SNN on the outbound too.

[Edited 2004-08-06 12:31:19]

[Edited 2004-08-06 12:57:26]

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: GKirk
Posted 2004-08-06 12:45:57 and read 7241 times.

Diesel1, I would suspect that the outbound stop at SNN was a planned fuel stop as I dont think a 747 can carry a full load of pax non-stop to SFB

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2004-08-06 13:13:11 and read 7215 times.

So, in general all 4 B747-200's are owned by Travel City Direct or Air Atlanta Europe, and they are the same operator. So, for example EUK121 may be TF-ABA one week (TCD colours) and then TF-ATD the next?

GKirk, are you saying that because it wouldn't have the range, or are you saying it because it would not be able to land at SFB with full loads and fuel? Because the B747-200 sure has the range to operate UK-Florida flights.

I understand that flights in and out of Manchester carry TCY and EUK codes, as if its a codeshare. Also, on the charter timetables for MAN and LGW the 5A flights are shown as EAF, so its something to do with European Air Charter. My guess is that EUK are taking the passengers who were booked on EAF charters to SFB because 4 flights a day to Sanford (Thurs, Fri and Sat) is a lot from just two airports.


-Stephen

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: GLAGAZ
Posted 2004-08-06 13:16:41 and read 7212 times.

Anyone know if either operator will return to GLA this summer or is that the programme finished? Was nice to see 2 747's at GLA  Smile

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Diesel1
Posted 2004-08-06 13:29:38 and read 7198 times.

GKirk - that's right - I've reworded it to unexpected as the airline explained that the 747 used that week had insufficient MTOW with pax and fuel to go the full distance - this infers that the 747s normally used do..

Stephen

The Travelcity colourscheme 747s areowned by Air Atlanta Europe and chartered by Travelcity Direct

The flights are not 'codeshare' - more like the TCY flightcode is a bit of selfgloss applied by Travelcity Direct

That EAF are referred to, is simply out of date information though you are correct in stating that these are ex EAF flights.
One of the key reasons for the problems EAF suffered earlier in the year was the cancellation of the contract with Travelcity Direct, when they (Travelcity) contracted Air Atlanta Europe instead. IIRC the only cancellation notice that Travelcity had to give to EAF was 24 hours... As EAF had acquired additional 747s (the ex Virgin Atlantic aircraft) this left them in a poor situation and hence the voluntary creditors agreement and the loss of many hundreds of jobs of EAF staff.

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Geoffm
Posted 2004-08-06 13:39:53 and read 7183 times.

GKirk - no, a full load can do the distance, just as we did last year. Don't know about the freight situation - if even they take any - but full pax load can certainly do it normally. Also, we used the EAF code last year, not TCY. Airport monitors only showed the EAF code whereas other codeshares show all possible codes (eg BA/AA, VS/CO).

Planesarecool - as I already said, Travelcitydirect do NOT own the planes.

Geoff M.

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: GKirk
Posted 2004-08-06 13:42:26 and read 7195 times.

Planesarecool/Diesel1, no I was thinking that it stopped at SNN due to the short runway at CWL.
GLAGAZ, they will definitly return to GLA next summer, as well as a new weekly flight from NCL with the 747.

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: GLAGAZ
Posted 2004-08-06 13:44:35 and read 7179 times.

Sorry GKirk, I knew they were returning next year. What I meant was will they be around for a few more weeks this year?

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: GKirk
Posted 2004-08-06 14:07:49 and read 7159 times.

Geoffm, LGW has a long runway, I was talking about the CWL-SFB flight which stopped at SNN, as said by Diesel1. I didnt think it would be able to do nonstop CWL-SFB due to the shortish runway at CWL.
EAF is indeed European Air Charter, who operated the flights on behalf of TCY, this year TCY have come to an agreement of some sort with Aitr Atlanta to paint some of their a/c in TCY colours.

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Diesel1
Posted 2004-08-06 14:51:36 and read 7135 times.

Link for the story on the problems with this weeks SFD-CWL flight

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_objectid=14499437%26method=full%26siteid=50082%26headline=delay%2dstrands%2dholidaymakers%2din%2dus-name_page.html

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: JeffDCA
Posted 2004-08-06 15:54:23 and read 7101 times.

The 742 has way more than enough range to do any UK based destination - SFB. I think GKirk has hit the spot with the runway length at CWL. If the runway isn't long enough, only a limited payload can be carried, resulting in a stop at SNN.

Cheers,

Jeff

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Geoffm
Posted 2004-08-06 16:45:24 and read 7083 times.

Yeah, sorry Gkirk, I assumed the statement "as I dont think a 747 can carry a full load of pax non-stop to SFB" was in general rather than "as I dont think a 747 can carry a full load of pax non-stop to SFB *from* CWL".

Geoff M.

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2004-08-06 18:30:00 and read 7058 times.

I never said that the aircraft were owned by TravelCity Direct, i was just wondering, because of the different colour schemes, all 4 B742's were under the same operator.

Didn't the Cardiff flight originate at Gatwick, as on BAA there was a departure to "Cardiff and Sanford." Or was that just the positioning of the aircraft?

Thanks
-Stephen

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Geoffm
Posted 2004-08-06 19:37:45 and read 7034 times.

I think you did! "So, in general all 4 B747-200's are owned by Travel City Direct or Air Atlanta Europe" (reply #5). No matter how I turn that around, you are still suggesting that one or t'other owns the planes!

Geoff M.

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Jamotcx
Posted 2004-08-06 19:43:51 and read 7032 times.

OK guys, seeing as I deal with both flights everytime they go out, I'll try to clear up whats going on.

What has already been stated is that TravelCityDirect have 2 planes painted up "BP" and "BA". Both planes belong to Air Atlanta Icelandic, and are chartered by TCY (The code we work from for TravelCity Direct flights.)

On these 2 planes there is a 3 class service, 22F, 29J and 398Y. The F seats being in the nose, the J seats being normal seats but upstairs and an upgraded meal. And then Y taking up the rest of the plane.

Air Atlanta Europe also have 2 planes, "RG" based at MAN and "TD" based at LGW. I'm not sure how you get a seat on these planes, apart from the days when they operate extra TCY flights. But anyways these operate as EUK, and "RG" has 472Y seats filling the plane.

Anyways to answer your question all these planes are owned by Air Atlanta Icelandic, and crewed by Air Atlanta Icelandic crews, who all wear the standard Air Atlanta Icelandic uniforms.

Also these aircraft do at the moment seem to be unreliable, and never seem to push on time as the engineers keep playing with the aircraft.

Also the TravelCity Direct flights operate only to Sanford, but EUK have a flight to Paphos every Sunday.


Jamo

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2004-08-06 20:39:53 and read 7007 times.

Geoff,

Precisely, in saying that, i meant that they were all under one operator rather than 2 different ones. Perhaps saying.

Jamo, thanks for clearing that up. Which of TF-ABA and TF-ABP is based at Gatwick. A month ago i saw ABA there but last sunday i saw ABP there.

EUK also operate to Dalaman, Sharm El Sheikh and Larnaca by the way.

-Stephen

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Crosswind
Posted 2004-08-06 20:41:51 and read 7007 times.

Diesel1 is quite correct about the TCY code being "self-gloss" by Travel City  Smile

It is not an official code, but is used on airport displays, tickets etc so passengers think they are on a "Travel City" aircraft. All operational aspects of the flight refer to Air Atlanta Europe and the EUK code.

It's the same situation as the British Airways franchise operators like GB Airways, a BA____ flight number is shown on tickets and passenger displays, but operationally it is a GB Airways aircraft and crew, and the real flight number is a GB Airways callsign GBL____ for ATC and operational purposes.

Interestingly, Air Atlanta's MAN-MCO operation for Virgin Atlantic uses Virgin flight numbers and ATC callsign, reflecting the long-term subcharter aspect of this operation...

Just cos a company's name is on the side of an aircraft, doesn't make them an airline, or mean that they are actually operating the flight!

Regards
CROSSWIND

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Jamotcx
Posted 2004-08-06 20:47:40 and read 6999 times.

Which of TF-ABA and TF-ABP is based at Gatwick

Thats a good question. We had BP at MAN for a couple of months, and now its changed to BA. Not sure what the future plans are.

There are a few differences on the aircraft from a PAX point of view. BP doesnt have PTV's but BA does. And BA has leather seats in Y forward of L/R4 and cloth aft of there. BP has cloth on all its Y seats. Again not sure if they have changed BP as I havent seen it for a couple of weeks.


Jamo

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: JeffDCA
Posted 2004-08-07 02:31:13 and read 6961 times.

To start with, BA was LGW based, and BP was MAN based, but like you said, it does seem to change every now and again. Maybe it's to give the pax a bit of fairness, what with one aircraft having PTV's, and leather seats, but the other not.

Interestingly, Air Atlanta's MAN-MCO operation for Virgin Atlantic uses Virgin flight numbers and ATC callsign, reflecting the long-term subcharter aspect of this operation...

Is the MAN VS 742 a dry lease then?

Cheers,

Jeff

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Miamix707
Posted 2004-08-07 10:40:45 and read 6936 times.

That's what I thought, that name Travelocity DIrect sounds more like a tour company not an airline. Are they going to operate to SFB all year or just summer?

someone said those planes seem to be unreliable, hey i'll believe it

I think the first day of this season to have the two flights at SFB, I drove up to see them. When one of the 747s departed I got my share of shots. It positioned itself on the runway, moved forward but quickly exited the runway. It came back again a second time and did the same, i thought it was taking off when it just moved down the runway into a taxiway and then back to the gate this time.

I felt bad for the passengers, back to the terminal.

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Geoffm
Posted 2004-08-07 12:44:52 and read 6899 times.

Don't get Travelocity and Travelcity Direct mixed up! They are completely seperate companies.

http://www.travelcitydirect.com/

Interesting, they claim the seat pitch is 32" - which is more than BA and Virgin's! I remember it was adequate last year, albeit on the EAF planes rather than the AAE planes.

One thing I don't like about TCD is their seating policy. You can pay £10pp to reserve your seat. What they don't tell you is that is simply requesting a certain type of seat (aisle, window), or that you'll be seated together as a family. It does not allow you to select 45A, for example.

Geoff M.

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Madness
Posted 2004-08-07 13:13:14 and read 6891 times.

TravelCityDirect use the code TSC and they are ALWAYS delayed!

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Whitehatter
Posted 2004-08-07 13:52:54 and read 6874 times.

TSC is Air Transat

TravelCity is TCY

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2004-08-07 13:56:30 and read 6874 times.

No, TSC is Air Transat, yes the flight to Toronto is delayed today from Gatwick, and my friend is on that one  Big grin. It pushed back at 12:45, 1:05 minutes late.

But once again 5A122 has no comment and was supposed to go an hour ago and EUK836 was 55 minutes late from LGW.

-Stephen

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: JeffDCA
Posted 2004-08-07 18:21:50 and read 6833 times.

Are they going to operate to SFB all year or just summer?

I believe so. My parents were looking at coming over in November, and TCY had flights available.

When one of the 747s departed I got my share of shots. It positioned itself on the runway, moved forward but quickly exited the runway. It came back again a second time and did the same, i thought it was taking off when it just moved down the runway into a taxiway and then back to the gate this time.

That wasn't by any chance TF-ABP in the middle of May was it? Funnily enough, my parents were over visitng after flying on it, and i was trying to help convince my mother that it's a perfectly safe aircraft. Didn't help prove my point when it did exactly what you descirbed!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Cheers,

Jeff

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Jamotcx
Posted 2004-08-07 19:55:03 and read 6814 times.

The EUK and TCY were both late again in getting off. I know the TCY was over an hour late, even though they started boarding pax at 1330 (STD 1400).

Interesting, they claim the seat pitch is 32" - which is more than BA and Virgin's!

I actually thought they had a bit more room than normal, especially when I sat down and tried out the seats and my knees came no where near the seat in front.

Also does anyone know how much extra it is for F class or J class on the TCY? I was told today it was £600 for F but no word on J.


Jamo

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Miamix707
Posted 2004-08-08 09:44:00 and read 6756 times.

That wasn't by any chance TF-ABP in the middle of May was it? Funnily enough, my parents were over visitng after flying on it, and i was trying to help convince my mother that it's a perfectly safe aircraft. Didn't help prove my point when it did exactly what you descirbed!

Yes that was in the middle of May! hah no way so they were on that departing flight? man, I felt so bad for those passengers, and being a new service and all. I wonder what the captain announced when they tried to take off for a 2nd time and instead went back to the gate..

What was the reason it had to go back? It must have been delayed for a while, before I left they were opening some doors in the belly of the aircraft.. taking luggage out?

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Geoffm
Posted 2004-08-08 10:47:03 and read 6745 times.

Jamotcx, the answers are on the web link I posted  Wink/being sarcastic

TCD Sunshine upperdeck (34") from £99pp
AAE Premium Cabin (upperdeck, 45") from £179pp
TCD Sunshine First from £249pp

I suspect those prices are one-way, and note the "from".

Geoff M.

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2004-08-08 11:39:42 and read 6739 times.

I think one of the main reasons for the delays, is the turn around times. For example, today 5A123 arrives into Gatwick at 11:00 (Expected 10:45 Big grin) but then 5A126 to Sanford departs at 12:55. Now 1:55hrs is not very long to turn around a B747, which is bound to have over 400 passengers on it. And then it will miss its departure slot and have to wait anything up to 2-3hrs before it can depart. However, this is probably because it is from the old EAF timetable. Baring in mind that EAF had 3 aircraft based at Gatwick, the arrival from Sanford would never operate the outbound to Sanford. Also, 5A123 from Sanford is expected 15mins early, yet the departure already says "delayed"

That is the same aircraft because the other aircraft would arrive from Sanford at 07:30 as EUK837 and then depart to Sharm el Sheikh at 11:15 as EUK641

-Stephen

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: JeffDCA
Posted 2004-08-08 18:58:56 and read 6687 times.

Yes that was in the middle of May! hah no way so they were on that departing flight? man, I felt so bad for those passengers, and being a new service and all. I wonder what the captain announced when they tried to take off for a 2nd time and instead went back to the gate..

They weren't actually on the flight, but they were due to fly on that aircraft a couple of weeks later. We were standing on the grass area next to the 9L threshold. One of my favorite places around i must say!  Smile

What was the reason it had to go back? It must have been delayed for a while, before I left they were opening some doors in the belly of the aircraft.. taking luggage out?

I never did find that out either! I too saw the hold doors open, not sure what they were doing, as it didn't appear to have taxied right up to the gate.

Cheers,

Jeff

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Jamotcx
Posted 2004-08-08 22:52:33 and read 6642 times.

Ok guys TF-ABA is proper fooked. Supposed to leave MAN today at 1340, and wont be going anywhere till at least 0830 tommorow.

Apparantly they're having problems with the hydraulics, leaks etc etc.

Cheers for the prices Geoffm.

I'm trying to figure out which bits they relate to on the plane. The upper deck has no where near 45" pitch!!! Its more like 34". The seats in the nose are more like 45". So that accounts for premium cabin (in the nose) and sunshine upper deck (upstairs). But then what is Sunshine First?

I think I'll have to read the web site.


Jamo

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2004-08-09 11:32:44 and read 6597 times.

Jamo,

The Manchester flight has done a lot better than the Gatwick flight. The Manchester flight is expected at 03:20 tomorrow morning, and the Gatwick flight is expected at 07:30 tomorrow morning. Only a 21hr delay for the Gatwick flight, not too much to worry about. I hear that aircraft was TF-ABP, but i may be incorrect.

Can it get any worse?

-Stephen

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Jamotcx
Posted 2004-08-10 01:36:13 and read 6527 times.

LOL, I didnt know that the Gatwick flight went tech too! Yeh it would have been BP as BA operated the MAN service. It eventually left at about 1030 today, only 20 hours late.

Also on further inspection it seems that the PTV screens arent activated on BA. And also there are no screens upstairs or in the seats between L/R1 and L/R2 but there is in the First class seart and in Economy from L/R2 to the back of the plane.


Jamo

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Philsquares
Posted 2004-08-10 01:38:17 and read 6525 times.

Believe me, when dealing with Air Atlanta be prepared for the worst. They are just about the worst in the industry....

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Miamix707
Posted 2004-08-10 01:52:40 and read 6517 times.

seems like EVERYTHING out of SFB is late. I went to get AviaJet, nice surprise which turned out to be the EuroAtlantic 1011.. , well it was late by about 20 mins. Next time I went to SFB i had printed the arrivals/departure times and Monarch was late by about 25.. as have been other aircraft I've drove up there to photograph. So, I always seem to make it on time.. even though I'm usually late  Smile

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Lowsonboy
Posted 2004-08-10 02:29:19 and read 6513 times.

TF-ABP must have serious problems, it was badly delayed about 3 days ago and had maintenance and an engine run before departing. I came back from my days off yesterday and one of the two the LGW-SFB flights was delayed again - same aircraft. I think it was supposed to depart around about lunchtime, at 8pm they thought the aircraft would be ok, even then there seemed to be some doubt.... thankfully they were able to board as many of the passengers were starting to get evil in the dep lounge. Today I see the return flight is not even due back until about 0730 tomorrow morning - I am guessing due to either crew operating hours or landing restrictions at LGW?? Or maybe the heap of junk is tech again?? I start at 1200 tomorrow, I wonder if it will still be over the Atlantic then... or maybe in one of the hangers at LGW. Reminds me of one of the MYT 767s last summer (G-DAJC)...
Anyway, to answer/confirm a few more queries, TravelCity used to use European for their SFB charters (with EAF flt numbers), this summer they have switched to Air Atlanta Europe - who use EUK as their prefix, and curiously also 5A (Air Alpine) - don't know where this comes from. TCY may appear on flight coupons and info screens, but is purely "cosmetic!" Before Air Atlanta got the TCY contract they also used to operate charters to SFB on behalf of many tour operators, and also other to charters to many European destinations (LCA, SSH, DLM, TFS, KGS, etc.). I remember last summer being shown round one of their 742s (ex CX I think) and thinking it was in a pretty good state and a decent product for a UK charter. This summer their record seems to be mixed at best.

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Philsquares
Posted 2004-08-10 02:59:03 and read 6490 times.

Believe me, I have plenty of mates who work there, in the flight deck and they are all trying to leave as soon possible.

FWIW, the TF reg planes are not part of Air Atlanta Europe, they're actually from Air Atlanta Icelandic, the parent company.

I have heard stories you wouldn't believe from my friends. Good Luck!!!!

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Diesel1
Posted 2004-08-10 10:40:13 and read 6467 times.

Philsquares, spill the beans... tell us some of these stories we wouldn't believe...  Smile

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2004-08-10 11:07:47 and read 6463 times.

Another reason for ALL the delays is that from Thursday morning to Sunday night, all the aircraft have tight schedules. All 4 go to Sanford on thursday, friday and saturday, then on sunday, two aircraft go to Sanford, one to Paphos and one to Sharm El Sheikh, those two of which return late at night. So if one of those thursday flights gets a big delay, then they are stuffed until monday, when they can reform. But even then there is a flight to Sanford from Manchester and a flight to Dalaman from Gatwick.

I'm sticking up for them, because i love seeing their aircraft, and since EAF went under, i do not want another B747-200 operator to leave the skies.  Sad

BTW the expected arrival of a flight in to MAN from Sanford this morning is now expected at 0120 tomorrow morning. But what can they do, 1 is operating Cardiff-Sanford and then there are two from Gatwick-Heraklion today, so there's no point delaying them.

-Stephen

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Cambrian
Posted 2004-08-19 10:12:19 and read 6387 times.

They should change their name to "Travel City Delayed"...

A flight from Sanford to CWL, due to arrive yesterday (Wed) at 07.30 landed in Cardiff this morning (Fri) at 08.32.

I suppose that is an extra day's holiday!

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: GKirk
Posted 2004-08-19 10:23:27 and read 6376 times.

Cambrian, today is Thursday  Wink/being sarcastic  Laugh out loud

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Jamotcx
Posted 2004-08-19 10:36:50 and read 6370 times.

That will be the knock-on effect from the weekend I think when the aircraft were stuck in MCO, well the 2 MAN based ones were.

"BA" and "RG" were both diverted into MCO on Saturday and didn't come back to the UK until Monday. Along with G-OJMC for tommy cook and a Britannia 763.

On Sunday we had "BP" fly in from Gatwick to operate the MAN-Paphos flight.


Jamo

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Diesel1
Posted 2004-08-19 10:49:16 and read 6365 times.

The already extensive delays to this weeks CWL flight to SFB were further compounded by the aircraft going tech at CWL ( at the end of the runway just prior to takeoff...).

When the flight did depart it was into a thunderstorm...

Question is, do Travelcity Direct regret dismissing European Charter as their flight provider, as it certainly wouldn't appear they got a better product as a result of it from their deal with Air Atlanta Europe...

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2004-08-19 11:15:29 and read 6354 times.

Diesel1,

True, but i happen to remember EAF had a fair share of delays too, although not to the length of any of these delays through EUK.

Jamotcx,

So when TF-ABP goes to Manchester, will TF-ATD and TF-ARO operate the two sunday flights out of Gatwick (Sanford and Sharm el Sheikh)? At least now that they can use TF-ARO, if one aircraft goes tech then there is a backup as there are only ever up to 4 flights at a time.

-Stephen

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Jamotcx
Posted 2004-08-19 11:42:56 and read 6341 times.

Planesarecool, I didnt even know there was a "RO" now. Any ideas what config its in? Also wheres this aircraft come from, another ex BA bird?

I was suprised when BP was in on SUN as the Paphos flight is flown by RG with 472Y seats. BP has 22F, 29J and 398Y making a total of 449 seats.


Jamo

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2004-08-19 17:33:51 and read 6279 times.

TF-ARO was the bird used for the Olympic flame tour, like TF-ARG was the backup. However TF-ARG went straight into service, while TF-ARO went to Luxembourg to have its paint ripped off (they couldn't keep the Olympic paint on because the rings and logo are trademarked). So now TF-ARO has come back to Gatwick and is operating as a backup aircraft in the midst of all the delays etc.

No idea about the config though.


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-Stephen

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: David_itl
Posted 2004-08-19 22:07:36 and read 6228 times.


TF-ARO arrived at MAN yesterday and was still in this morning.
David

Topic: RE: TravelCity Direct/Air Atlanta Europe Flights
Username: Planesarecool
Posted 2004-08-20 10:02:25 and read 6195 times.

Well, TF-ABA is back at Gatwick. I'm guessing TF-ABP and TF-ARO both moved up north to Manchester to make up for some knock on delays. TF-ABA and TF-ATD are remaining at Gatwick.

Jamo,

Didn't TF-ABP operate the Sanford flight on Sunday, and then TF-ARG the Paphos flight?

I don't think its very helpful the fact that their aircraft are in different configurations, because then certain aircraft cannot be used on certain flights, unless people in the premium cabins go down to Economy (in the case that say a SFB flight op by TF-ABP was changed to TF-ARG) or it may be a full flight on TF-ARG in economy, and they woundn't be able to fly say TF-ABP there because with the premium cabins there are less seats.

-Stephen


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