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Topic: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: B727
Posted 2004-08-24 15:47:37 and read 4633 times.

Remember when an aircraft pulled into a gate and you could identify it in 2 seconds ie: B727 DC10 DC-9 L-1011. These are the original jets, the first generation jets. Most of todays twin jets to me are boring, the older jets have so much history and spark because they were the original "jets" of modern travel. I am probably date myself with this post, but the 767's 777's and A3XX series dont do anything for me. Sure the older jets have higher operating costs, maintenance issues, but in my mind these are more romatic if you will. I sure miss the Tri-jets of the 60's and 70's Anyone else feel this way?


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Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: Kl911
Posted 2004-08-24 15:51:24 and read 4609 times.

'''Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone'''

Look at your car, it might have the aluminium of a DC9 in it.....  Laugh out loud

KL911

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: 7LBAC111
Posted 2004-08-24 15:58:03 and read 4589 times.

Isn't this just the following thread by Ringwaymanc reworded?

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1711626/

Mark
7LBAC111

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: B727
Posted 2004-08-24 16:02:41 and read 4563 times.

7LBAC111

My apologies to everyone if this post has been posted by another user. I was just strolliing down memory lane.

B727
Glenn

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: TUNisia
Posted 2004-08-24 16:08:01 and read 4546 times.

I too miss the 727. I recall many happy flights with TWA on those lovely machines. The feel of being on a modern jet can't compare to the solid feel of a 727.

TUNisia

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: Lindy field
Posted 2004-08-24 16:23:23 and read 4514 times.

Yeah, I miss yesterday's diversity of airliner designs. Today almost everything is a twin with wing-mounted engines. Boeing 737-300s & A319s I find particularly vanilla. On the other hand, the 737NGs with winglets look great, the Embraer 170s are sharp, and it will be fun to spot the A380 and 7E7 when they arrive.

Hopefully, more colorful airline liveries will come back into fashion in a few years. I'm sick of nearly every airplane being painted white and blue.

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Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: RareBear
Posted 2004-08-24 16:28:47 and read 4491 times.

I miss the sound and feel of the first generation jets, the 707s and 720s, the early DC-8s, the CV-880. You could hear the roar, and knew you were in a jet. The modern ones have a sound more like a hum.

Ho-hum !!

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: LVZXV
Posted 2004-08-24 17:16:44 and read 4418 times.

I agree. Today's aircraft are becoming flying buses, or to be more precise "Airbuses". Not that I dislike Airbus, but they do bore me with their "off-the-shelf-nothing-fancy-aircraft-commonality" approach to aircraft design and they are selling very well. Nothing's original. To me, the Sixties and Seventies were the zenith in creative designs. Now yes, the Canadairs and Embraers may be sharp but I do not consider them as worthy successors to the BAC 1-11, DC-9 or F28. And I am certainly not happy about the A340-600, B777-300 and A380 stepping into the shoes of the timeless Classic B747. We do live in a very conformist age, in which 2 engines and Eurowhite are in, and 3/4 engines and COLOUR are [going] out. Real shame.

XV



[Edited 2004-08-24 17:18:29]

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: Na
Posted 2004-08-24 17:24:29 and read 4397 times.

LVZXV,
Iagree with you, mainly with the second part you wrote.

The boringness of the bulk of new aircraft has nothing to do with which manufacturer is behind it though. With the exception of the grand 747 no Boeing aircraft is more interesting than its direct competion from Airbus or vice versa.
If B777, Tu-204 or A320, the twin-engined/underwing concept is the most boring looking aircraft configuration I can imagine.

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2004-08-25 05:04:22 and read 4283 times.

The sonic cruiser would have been a departure to something exciting. Instead, we'll get the 7E7. Another medium-sized twin jet on the horizon. But what's special about it is that it will be more fuel efficient - Hurray!

As airliner aficionados, what's sad is that the performance envelope of today's jets is pretty much the same as it was 50 years ago. In 50 years, only efficiency and reliability have changed drastically. Airliners still fly at around 40,000 ft, at around mach 0.8. That was the case with the Convair 880/990 in the early '50s and it is still the case today half a century later.

And in size little has changed in the last 35 years. The largest plane could carry about 450 passengers in 1970. Today, 35 years later, the largest plane can carry about - 450 passengers. In a few years, a supposedly massive plane will enter service carrying - 550 passengers - an increase in size of 20% over a span of 35 years. Not historically impressive.

In aviation, half a century is the difference between the Ford TriMotor and the moon landing. But in the physics of airliners, raw performance has been stagnant. Yes, there are sound technical and economic reasons for this stagnation. And that is the sad part.

[Edited 2004-08-25 05:10:22]

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: Isitsafenow
Posted 2004-08-25 05:20:31 and read 4263 times.

RAREBEAR is right! Its just not the same kiddies, as it was in the 60's. From the outside,the jets were noisy and smelled more...the fuel was a different mixture and had a heavy kero odor compared to todays light odor. And they had something called visible exhaust....REAL Visible......Not today, gang.
getaways were few and far apart. We boarded on stairs and really went outside to get on the plane. In flight meals were HOT and real like in a restaurant....no sandwiches
safe

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: Sfo212
Posted 2004-08-25 05:29:37 and read 4248 times.

I agree with you guys. It is rather boring to see all the many twins now operating. They are either many variations on the A-320 or the 737 it seems.

I remember sitting at the view lot at SFO and watching Mexicana's 727 depart on 01R. Watching the smoke and actually hearing the huge rumble and crackle of those engines was terrific.

To me, there is still nothing like hearing an L-1011 Tristar starting up its engines. That deep rumble goes right through you. Sadly, they are almost all gone.

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: DC3CV3407AC727
Posted 2004-08-25 05:31:24 and read 4241 times.

to the deserts,the freight ramp, the third world,and ChampionAir !

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: Zippyjet
Posted 2004-08-25 07:08:27 and read 4201 times.

How about those old original DC-8's. The ones with those Palomar funky seats with the light built in the back of your seat back! This really dates me; I remember as a wee lad that if you flew out of the airport formerly known as BAL (Friendship) now BWI that if you wanted to fly nonstop to MIA and even ATL, it was EA or DL. And back in the day (early to mid 60's) at the gate stood an 8 complete with curtains and that hybrid jet/prop cabin with those seats. And those Boeing 720's flown by EA! Yeah baby, those were swinging 60's ultra cool and modern with those space age dome lights.  Smokin cool

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Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: CX881
Posted 2004-08-25 07:58:28 and read 4163 times.

I'd vote for the old jets too, only with glass cockpits!  Big thumbs up

CX881

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: Miamix707
Posted 2004-08-25 09:27:39 and read 4130 times.

Look at your car, it might have the aluminium of a DC9 in it.....

Ha hahaha never thought about that, makes me go outside and kick my car to "feel" for aluminum

To me, there is still nothing like hearing an L-1011 Tristar starting up its engines. That deep rumble goes right through you. Sadly, they are almost all gone

Oh yeah baby yeah! Sounds like a locomotive or something when spooling up, have that sound fresh on my mind!

I'll have to agree with LVZXV completely. While some new aircraft are impressive, analyzing the looks the A340-600s and those overstretched/ overshrunk Airbuses and some Boeings are just ugly. They look even worse in pictures, not anywhere as photogenic as the good old jets were. Overall the 60s and 70's produced great creativity, today the best they can do is try their hand at retro looks to re-live these decades. I hope that would carry over to aviation but so far it hasn't happened.

As far as civil airliners and their evolution has remained relatively flat. As Hmmm said above only efficiency and reliability have changed drastically, and im not even sure if I'd call the change drastic.

Hopefully, more colorful airline liveries will come back into fashion in a few years. I'm sick of nearly every airplane being painted white and blue

I hope they hear you!!! This horrible trend of horrendous liveries in the past 10 years doesn't seem to end ;(

Man I love these nostalgic threads  Wink/being sarcastic

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: Ringwaymanc
Posted 2004-08-25 12:44:41 and read 4080 times.

Ah! A man after my own heart...I used to work at Manc UK (ring) in the 80's and early 90's...Real airplanes...tri-jets a-plenty...The noise around the airport was better...1-11's and 727's made everything shake...What a difference a decade or two makes in aviation......Turn back the clock is what I say.....

Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: FLYSSC
Posted 2004-08-25 18:45:11 and read 3986 times.

What about the good "Old Lady" Caravelle... :


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Topic: RE: Where Have All The "good Jets" Gone?
Username: JMV
Posted 2004-08-25 19:27:01 and read 3945 times.


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Ah, back in the days when men were men, and 707s were easily seen and heard!


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