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Topic: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Jakob77
Posted 2004-09-16 19:08:36 and read 5783 times.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040916/sfth044_1.html

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2004-09-16 19:13:57 and read 5758 times.

Here are the details:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE September 16, 2004

ALASKA AND HORIZON TO PARTNER WITH DELTA AIR LINES

SEATTLE – Alaska Airlines, Horizon Air and Delta Air Lines announced today a comprehensive marketing agreement to provide customers with a wider array of destinations and benefits. The agreement provides for the carriers to codeshare on each other’s flights, giving customers more travel options and the partner airlines incremental passenger traffic.

In addition to codesharing, the three carriers plan to provide reciprocal frequent flyer benefits. This will allow customers to accrue and redeem awards in either of the airlines’ frequent flyer programs, regardless of which program they belong to or on which airline they fly. The agreement also provides for additional airline lounge privileges in selected cities. For Alaska’s Board Room lounge members, access will be available at Delta Crown Room locations in Atlanta, Cincinnati and Salt Lake City. For Delta members, access will be available to Alaska’s Board Room facilities in Anchorage, Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Vancouver, B.C. Additionally, while the airlines will continue to schedule their respective flights independently, each will evaluate their schedules to optimize connections between one another in order to provide customers with more convenient travel options.

The codesharing and frequent flier components of the new agreement are subject to review by the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT). In addition, codesharing by Delta on Alaska flights will require negotiated changes to the scope clause of the Delta pilot contract. The carriers will work with the DOT in an effort to have the review completed as soon as possible, and Delta will work to conclude its pilot approvals and negotiations as soon as possible as well. If approvals are received in a timely manner, the airlines could begin implementing the agreements late this fall and early next year.

“This significantly extends the value of our travel network for every Alaska and Horizon customer,” said Gregg Saretsky, executive vice president of marketing and planning. “With the addition of Delta Air Lines to our team of codeshare partners, our customers will now have access to a worldwide network of destinations that is second to none.”

Under terms of the codeshare, Alaska will place its code on several hundred flights operated by Delta while Delta’s code will be placed on a like number of Alaska and Horizon flights.

“This new marketing agreement will allow Delta to partner with Alaska and Horizon to offer our passengers greater access to destinations throughout the United States, Canada and Mexico,“ said Delta’s senior vice president and chief marketing officer Paul Matsen. “When we have completed the DOT review process and fully implement the agreement, it will not only complement Delta’s existing service, but also offers Alaska and Horizon passengers access to Delta’s global system. Delta’s network will be expanded by 42 new cities. This is a win-win-win situation for customers and the carriers.”

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: LN-MOW
Posted 2004-09-16 19:18:21 and read 5745 times.

So should we also wait for a release on AS' new flights SEA-ATL?

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2004-09-16 19:33:21 and read 5725 times.

So should we also wait for a release on AS' new flights SEA-ATL?


We were literally about to sign the paperwork on that before announcing SEA-MCO service, but Corporate decided to hold off on ATL for awhile. This DL deal has been in the works for the past six months (that I know of, anyway) - but AS has a tendency to announce service to a codeshare partner's hubsite several months after analyzing the bookings to/from those cities when booked solely as codeshare flights.

I wouldn't look for SEA-ATL service from AS for at least six to eight months, but that's just a guess based on past history.

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: ConcordeBoy
Posted 2004-09-16 20:42:38 and read 5653 times.

This is something that should've happened about a decade ago  Angry

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Fjnovak1
Posted 2004-09-16 21:15:58 and read 5610 times.

So now basically American Airlines is the only non-SkyTeam carrier Alaska is partnered with domestically...am i correct?

IMO, they should drop the AA affilation and join up with SkyTeam--connecting their network to the entire world with the other SkyTeam carriers...

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Nealcg
Posted 2004-09-16 21:52:01 and read 5556 times.

Drop AA?

I think they are hitching up to the wrong horse. If this means AS flying to DFW thats another matter...

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Byrdluvs747
Posted 2004-09-16 22:41:23 and read 5496 times.


IMO, they should drop the AA affilation and join up with SkyTeam--connecting their network to the entire world with the other SkyTeam carriers...


C'mon. Why is it that people insist on associating AS with the "What's Leftover Alliance".

AS is partnered with virtually all of OW. Why would they want to give that up?
Do you think MVP members will be happy to give up CX,BA,AA,LA,QF for SkyTeam? I know I'd be pissed if suddenly my miles could only get me to Asia on NW or Korean instead of CX.

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Cumulonimbus
Posted 2004-09-16 22:55:39 and read 5469 times.


I wonder if Horizon is going to Buy more Q-400's to operate out of SLC?

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Lono
Posted 2004-09-16 23:26:23 and read 5436 times.

My prediction is that DL will leave be leaving ANC... and will further reduce it's SEA operations.... maybe even it's LAX, PDX, SFO, YVR operations may take a hit...

"Atlanta-based Delta on Thursday said the carriers agreed to share flight codes and to start offering lounge and frequent-flyer benefits for each other's customers."

"The carriers also plan to discuss other areas of cooperation, such as air logistics and expanded cooperation with facilities and passenger handling programs"

Look at what the Crown Room/Board Room mix is

AS customers will be allowed access to DL Crown Rooms in ATL, CVG, SLC

DL customers will be allowed access to AS Board Rooms in ANC, SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX and YVR...

So looks like DL will be feeding AS via its hubs to SEA, PDX and want AS to use its hubs in SEA and PDX to feed traffic to DL's hubs...

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air L
Username: Geg2rap
Posted 2004-09-16 23:37:15 and read 5415 times.

Imagine being a AS flight attendent....today's 30 min flight from GEG-SEA is operated in partnership with NW KLM Delta American Continental Quantas Horizon
British Airways thanks for flying  Smile


Now if just UA would come back around to horizon (haha)
GEG2RAP
I don't know if SLC will get a big boost out of this as previously mentioned...something DL CO NW should think about is their partnership with AE out of LAX maybe have a horizon service there to the smaller CA communities...something to think about instread of throwing money AA's way

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-09-17 00:15:09 and read 5360 times.

Boy Lono, you hit it right on the head, this will enable Delta to pull out of ANC during the winter months at the vary least and enable Alaska to further gouge the Alaskan traveler.

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2004-09-17 01:40:34 and read 5282 times.

this will enable Delta to pull out of ANC during the winter months at the vary least and enable Alaska to further gouge the Alaskan traveler

How is AS gouging the customers when airlines are dropping ANC? Obviously there's not as much money to be made there as people think, or EVERYONE would be flying there.

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Lono
Posted 2004-09-17 01:43:27 and read 5272 times.

L-188

I think ANC is just the tip of the iceberg (pardon the pun!).. I think DL will try and re-trench at their hubs and hope to get enough feed from their code share partners.... I see DL further pulling back on the west coast..

This is getting interesting!

[Edited 2004-09-17 02:06:22]

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: N317AS
Posted 2004-09-17 02:14:00 and read 5239 times.

EA CO AS,

Do you forsee AS flying into ATL and then hooking a DL flight into MIA or MCO instead of flying AS directly to those destinations? I'm hoping AS keeps flying direct to thos cities.

Bill

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Lono
Posted 2004-09-17 02:36:21 and read 5235 times.

N317AS
AS/QX may start feeding DL's hub in SLC from SEA, PDX, SFO, LAX, YVR.... I don't think AS will fly to ATL....



Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Rydawg82
Posted 2004-09-17 02:42:45 and read 5215 times.

"The carriers also plan to discuss other areas of cooperation, such as air logistics and expanded cooperation with facilities and passenger handling programs"

I think one example of this would be in the major changes announced on September 9. All of the remaining fleet service for AS will be handled by Atlanta based Delta Global Services (DGS). These changes will take effect starting in November in JNU, FAI, SEA, and ANC.

Just a coincidence?

Delta could pull out of Anchorage in the winter months, I am sure AS would welcome the traffic in the off season. However keep in mind Delta ground handles several carriers into Anchorage. Sun Country, Frontier, Condor, and America West. Now I know America West is the only year-round carrier that they ground handle, but that contract would need to be taken care of before a Delta joins the list of snowbird carriers in Anchorage.
-R

[Edited 2004-09-17 02:45:47]

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Lono
Posted 2004-09-17 02:53:38 and read 5188 times.

DGS sub contracts to DL... it is not a DL owned company...

It was one of those employee morale busting companies that DL started using back in 1994-95... so it didn't have to pay for their own employees... it is a sad story

DGS may continue after DL pulls out of ANC... but it will be renamed something else.... "DL" does not ground handle anyone in ANC.... DGS does

[Edited 2004-09-17 03:16:06]

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2004-09-17 03:13:10 and read 5166 times.

EA CO AS,

Do you forsee AS flying into ATL and then hooking a DL flight into MIA or MCO instead of flying AS directly to those destinations? I'm hoping AS keeps flying direct to thos cities.

Bill


It's difficult to predict what will happen, but AS has adopted a stance of "we reserve the right to fly from our hub in SEA to anywhere we want, regardless of whom we partner with," so ATL is definitely a possibility down the line, especially since it was once thisclose to being opened.

AS will probably NEVER cease MIA and MCO flying - the loads and yields are just too good to pass up, and besides - why give the money to a partner when you can keep it all yourself?  Big grin

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: N317as
Posted 2004-09-17 03:47:47 and read 5127 times.

Thank goodness. When I fly to HSV I have to fly through DFW or ATL. But I don't want to fly through either as often as I go to MIA.

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: OzarkD9S
Posted 2004-09-17 06:37:51 and read 5027 times.

Looks like AS is what British Midland used to before it joined STAR, the biggest "whore" in the airline world. Good for them! THAT's what a niche carrier SHOULD be.

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-09-17 06:44:35 and read 5003 times.

OzarkD9S,

Would you believe that in the past I too have described them as a "Codeshare Whore"

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2004-09-17 07:15:37 and read 4984 times.

Alaska - The Last Great Promiscuous Airline  Big thumbs up

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: L-188
Posted 2004-09-17 07:36:45 and read 4953 times.

And somebody was wondering why Chester had that big grin on his face  Laugh out loud

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2004-09-17 09:21:10 and read 4916 times.

Would you believe that in the past I too have described them as a "Codeshare Whore"

Thats EXACTLY what they are...they'll never join any alliance. And I stress the word 'never'. They are very into codesharing, thats the whole point to AS. Its.....ALASKA!!

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: DeltaMIA
Posted 2004-09-17 09:33:07 and read 4938 times.

DGS sub contracts to DL... it is not a DL owned company...

Sorry DGS is a subsidiary of Delta Air Lines.



My prediction is that DL will leave be leaving ANC... and will further reduce it's SEA operations.... maybe even it's LAX, PDX, SFO, YVR operations may take a hit...

I don't see this happening at all as it hasn't happened in CLE, MSP, DTW, IAH, MEM or EWR with CO and NW. With the exception of YVR which is already a seasonal destination I don't see DL's ops in the west coast being affected. If anything they should be boosted by the introduction of new codesharing opportunities. DL just invested millions of dollars into SEA during the move into the new terminal. DL is also bringing back mainline flights back into GEG and PSC effective Jan 31, 2005.

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Lono
Posted 2004-09-17 11:07:37 and read 4882 times.

DeltaMIA

Thanks for the update on DGS.... I can admit when I am wrong!... I have a question however..was DGS at one time a sub contractor..??? I was told they were because they displaced DL employees... seems like the DL employees would have a hard time working next to a company that DL has used to displace loyal DL employees... A friend of mine works on the ramp in SEA for DL... DL cut back on his OT and he asked if he could work part time for DGS there in SEA... he was told no way he could do that and that he would have to quit DL to work for them.... Sure seems counter productive to me... and a strange relationship.. especially when a DL ramper sees DGS growing in the same city where they work side by side... this would be bad for DL employee morale I would think..

It is interesting to note that DL will start GEG/PSC service again... out of SLC I presume..??? Will DL be using DL employees is GEG/PSC... or will AS contract for them there..??

Finally

I don't think you can base DL staying in a market by how much money they have invested there... look at DFW... talk about millions lost!!!

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: DeltaMIA
Posted 2004-09-17 16:14:46 and read 4841 times.

was DGS at one time a sub contractor

Its start date was before my time at Delta, but I believe you are right about the time frame being around 1994-1995. Delta made the decision to cut ground handling at all stations that weren't handling at least twenty flights (including outsourcing) and used this as a way to continue to offer the service using less paid employees being employed on a temporary status. There maybe some useful information on their website.
http://www.dalgs.com

Will DL be using DL employees is GEG/PSC

These stations are now OO stations and they will be used to handle the DL flights. I believe PSC will receive two 733's from SLC and I think GEG is one 738 and one 733 to SLC. There are a few other stations that will see the return of DL mainline again as well.

Sure seems counter productive to me

DGS is a profitable part of DL and sometimes they need help much like sometimes Song needs some help in JFK and MCO at times and rather than let them flounder DL employees come and assist in things like check in and gate assistance. I imagine this happens with DGS in stations where DL has its own people handling DL and DGS handling the ground contracts. I can't comment on whether or not they actually asked him to work for DGS or not. I assume they just wanted him to come over and help out.

I don't think you can base DL staying in a market by how much money they have invested there

I totally agree. But you aren't going to invest that money 3 months prior to downsizing your operation. DFW hasn't seen a dime in over 5 years for any type of airport improvement. DFW was the only hub to not have GIDS.

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Ord
Posted 2004-09-17 17:45:33 and read 4795 times.

"My prediction is that DL will leave be leaving ANC... and will further reduce it's SEA operations..."

I don't see Delta making any reductions at SEA. Once the DFW flights are gone Delta will have a total of 15 flights (ATL-6, CVG-3, JFK-2, SLC-4). I can't see any of those markets seeing a reduction in flights.

Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: Lono
Posted 2004-09-17 21:10:10 and read 4735 times.

DeltaMIA

Again thank you for your insight... DL does some strange things... for example DL installed a jet bridge in JNU 3 months before they announced they were pulling out... when asked why they did that they said it would have cost more to stop the project than just finish it as planned... so DL lost a jet bridge in JNU and it is now used by AS...

As far as DGS goes I know the ramp folks in SEA are worried and since they are loosing some flights they believe that DGS may take over the whole operation... Morale is bad..

Ord

Thank you for the flight breakdown in SEA... can you tell me the most flights DL had there before they started cutting...??? I know they had over 25 at one time... the remaining flights look to me as essential if DL is to remain competitive there in SEA.... it also looks to me that AS can benefit greatly from the new code share...

DeltaMIA/Ord

Since you both appear to be DL employees... what are your thoughts of DL codesharing with AS after all these years..??? Who do you think will benefit the most??


Topic: RE: Alaska And Horizon To Partner With Delta Air Lines
Username: DeltaMIA
Posted 2004-09-18 02:43:59 and read 4656 times.

what are your thoughts of DL codesharing with AS after all these years..??? Who do you think will benefit the most??

I think codesharing is great. It allows airlines to use their limited resources as best they can and yet opens up a much larger network for the consumer. With AS and DL the ones who benefit the most are probably going to be AS customers as they can now fly the DL system, which is far more extensive in the SE and Florida then any other airline, seamless from places like Barrow and Juneau.


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