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Topic: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2004-09-17 00:48:29 and read 16088 times.

A while back we were flying Ryanair to Venice and, as we had brought a bottle of gin on board with some plastic glasses nicked from the departures bar, we poured a drink for the flight. A flight attendant noticed this and told us we were not allowed to drink our own alcohol on board. We put the bottle away, though thinking about it afterwards, did she have the authority to tell us to do so? If we had ignored her, what could she have done? As far as I know we weren't breaking any law.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2004-09-17 00:52:49 and read 16067 times.

It's possible you may have been. Many countries don't allow consumption of own alcohol in restaurants. I guess since Ryanair planes are registered in Ireland that law applies?

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Cha747
Posted 2004-09-17 00:54:28 and read 16056 times.

Yes....there are rules about this...they control the booze for 2 reasons...first, they can cut you off..second, they can rip you off. It would be like bringing a bottle of gin into your local bar, opening it up, and drinking your own booze.

Seriously, the only airline that I know invited passengers to bring their own alcohol on board was Kuwait Airways...about 20 years ago (don't know current policy) because they did not serve it.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Captain.md-11
Posted 2004-09-17 00:56:03 and read 16050 times.

The airline I work for certainly do not allow consumption of spirits etc by pax from their own bottles. When we serve drinks we can monitor the amount of alcohol one passenger consumes, if they supply their own drinks we can not. Simply it is company procedure and if it is not followed, then the decision will go to the Captain.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Sabena332
Posted 2004-09-17 00:56:14 and read 16048 times.

You are not allowed to drink you own alcohol during the flight and it makes sense, the F/A's will know how much you are drinking during the flight and they will make sure that you are still able to have yourself under control, this is very important if there is an emergency situation). The F/A's won't get an image on your alcohol consume if you are drinking your own beer/booze aditionally to that stuff what is served inflight.

Patrick

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2004-09-17 01:03:48 and read 16024 times.

Hmmmmmmmmm. Interesting, and it makes sense, thought I reckon it's more for commercial reasons than worrying about passengers being drunk (after all, you can get as tanked-up as you like in the airport lounge). What would have happened had we refused?

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2004-09-17 01:04:47 and read 16023 times.

If you want to drink your own booze, just have it in a discreet personal container. A million people do it - everyone from alcoholics to fearful flyers to college kids to senior citizens.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Sabena332
Posted 2004-09-17 01:08:10 and read 16008 times.

A million people do it - everyone from alcoholics to fearful flyers to college kids to senior citizens.

That's true, I did it also, as a college kid  Big thumbs up.

Patrick

Edit: Sorry, I forgot this:

thought I reckon it's more for commercial reasons than worrying about passengers being drunk (after all, you can get as tanked-up as you like in the airport lounge).

Airline crew can refuse you boarding the plane if "they think" that you are too drunken.

[Edited 2004-09-17 01:10:28]

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2004-09-17 01:10:35 and read 15996 times.

Or mixed in a small bottle of 7-Up: done that myself

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Trickijedi
Posted 2004-09-17 01:10:54 and read 15996 times.

Do you see FoxSports advertising their shows on ESPN?

I think it's a simple matter of common courtesy. Just like Cha747 said, it would be akin to bringing a bottle of gin into the neighborhood bar and drinking it there. Unless the airline specifically mentions so, I don't think it's appropriate to drink any other alcoholic beverages other than what the airline offers.

Although I'd like to see someone try that on a Royal Jordanian flight where no alcohol is allowed.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: LHMark
Posted 2004-09-17 01:17:52 and read 15981 times.

I snuck a Dammelsch Pils that I bought in Rotterdam Airport onto my Basiq Air flight. It was delicious.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2004-09-17 01:27:07 and read 15960 times.

I can't see how it is discourteous: certainly in a restaurant where you go to eat and drink it would be, and of course in a bar as well, but on a flight, I disagree. The airline sells me a ticket to get from A to B and drinking alcohol is not the reason I fly. Apart from the low-cost carriers, they usually give out free booze. So if I bring drink my own on board I'm saving them money.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Kl911
Posted 2004-09-17 01:39:56 and read 15931 times.

I always bring my own beer. Normally a local brand that they don't serve onboard. I've never had any problem, often they gave me a glass as well. Guess if you don't bring strong stuff it should be ok.

KL911

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Neednewairport
Posted 2004-09-17 01:42:56 and read 15924 times.

I think....

I think it may be against a FAR to consume alcohol on board that was not served to you by the certificate holder (the airline).

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2004-09-17 02:04:03 and read 15879 times.

Apart from the low-cost carriers, they usually give out free booze

Not here in the US. ***sigh***

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: ChiGB1973
Posted 2004-09-17 02:05:04 and read 15876 times.

It is FAR 121.575.

Many people act differently at altitude than they do on the ground after alcohol consumption. If people were allowed to BYOB and a group of 20 or so going to Vegas was allowed to get smashed, there could be a bit of a problem. It is purely common sense not to allow people to BYOB on the airplane, but, since some passengers do not use common sense or do not know the possible effects of alcohol at altitude or their own limits, the FAA stepped in and made it an FAR.

And for the comment on denying boarding because "they think" you are too drunken: it is better to deny boarding than have to deal with someone who is already acting in a way that got the flight crew's attention than to have to deal with it at 30,000 feet. Worst case scenario is a fight, diversion, FAA involvement, etc. Surely some of your drunken friends have shown you what can happen at a bar, imagine that on the airplane.

M

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: ChiGB1973
Posted 2004-09-17 02:16:19 and read 15861 times.

MORE....

§121.575 Alcoholic beverages.


(a) No person may drink any alcoholic beverage aboard an aircraft unless the certificate holder operating the aircraft has served that beverage to him.

(b) No certificate holder may serve any alcoholic beverage to any person aboard any of its aircraft who --

(1) Appears to be intoxicated;

(2) Is escorting a person or being escorted in accordance with 49 CFR 1544.221; or

(3) Has a deadly or dangerous weapon accessible to him while aboard the aircraft in accordance with 49 CFR 1544.219, 1544.221, or 1544.223.

(c) No certificate holder may allow any person to board any of its aircraft if that person appears to be intoxicated.

(d) Each certificate holder shall, within five days after the incident, report to the Administrator the refusal of any person to comply with paragraph (a) of this section, or of any disturbance caused by a person who appears to be intoxicated aboard any of its aircraft.

[Doc. No. 6258, 29 FR 19219, Dec. 31, 1964, as amended by Amdt. 121-118, 40 FR 17552, Apr. 21, 1975; Amdt. 121-178, 47 FR 13316, Mar. 29, 1982; Amdt. 121-275, 67 FR 31932, May 10, 2002]

M

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Aa777mia
Posted 2004-09-17 02:40:26 and read 15823 times.

It depends on the carrier.. Some US Airlines will allow you to consume your own alcohol, however, the bottle has to be given to the crew, and kept in the galley. Basically the crew has to serve you out of the bottle, so they can monitor your consumption. I guess certain countries and airlines have different policies...

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: NW7E7
Posted 2004-09-17 02:47:54 and read 15814 times.

On this past Airline, a Mexican guy was going to carry on 3 bottles of tequila but one of the employees confiscated one of the bottles and put it down the drain because it had no labels or anything on it. The other two bottles were labeled so he was able to take it on the plane but he was not allowed to drink it while on the plane.

NW7E7

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Hardkor
Posted 2004-09-17 03:05:19 and read 15788 times.

I was on a flight in June on AC, from YVR-LHR. I had bought a bottle of rye whisky at the duty free. It wasn't wrapped or anything so my friend and I started drinking it on the plane. The flight attendant saw this and freaked out, threatening that we could be arrested. I apologized, told her that we had no idea and no intention of causing problems, and she took the bottle away. Then, near the end of the flight the head purser came up to us and told us that they had discussed the situation with the pilots and had concluded that we would not be arrested upon arrival, as we had not been bothering anybody else. The moral of the story is, airlines take drinking very seriously, and will not hesitate to do what they feel is necessary to ensure the safety of the passengers and crew. Oh yeah, and that a 10 hour return flight to YVR is much more boring when completely sober!
Hardkor

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2004-09-17 03:24:20 and read 15759 times.

Sounds like AC alright. What a joke. Threatening to arrest you for drinking from your own bottle. Some airlines would let you keep it and smile. Others will turn a blind eye. Some would threaten to take it away, a few would actually take it away. Then there is Air Canada. They threaten to have you arrested for just taking a nip. The moral of the story? Air Canada flight attendants have a rep for usual levels of hostility in what is a hospitality business. Which is odd because Canadians have a world reputation for the exact opposite by nature. I defend Air Canada for technical excellence, cleanliness, and safety. But their FAs are from Mars, not Canada.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Iairallie
Posted 2004-09-17 03:25:36 and read 15758 times.

You cannot serve yourself your own alcohol onboard any US a/c. You cannot board any US a/c when intoxicated as anyone who has watched the US version of Airline is well aware. BTW we can refuse to serve you your own alcohol and hold it for you in the galley if we feel you are intoxicated. The reason why these laws exist is clear we have to consider the safety and comfort of the other passengers. If you had been on a US carrier and you had refused to stop drinking you would have been subject to arrest for violating not one but to FAR's. Interfereing with the duties of a crew member and consumeing your own alcohol. It really is not something we can afford to take lightly. Concealing your consumption only makes things worse if you are caught. Just ask your flight attendant to serve you. At most US airlines we are allowed to serve you however policies may vary.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Skydrol
Posted 2004-09-17 05:18:18 and read 15682 times.

Hmmmm... wrote:
>>>
Air Canada flight attendants have a rep for usual levels of hostility in what is a hospitality business. Which is odd because Canadians have a world reputation for the exact opposite by nature. I defend Air Canada for technical excellence, cleanliness, and safety. But their FAs are from Mars, not Canada
<<<

Actually, most of them are from Quebec. I won't say anything more.

BTW - 20oz plastic bottles of 7-UP, Coke and Dr. Pepper are great mixers, but I've never done anything like this on a flight...  Wink/being sarcastic



LD4

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: ORDflyer
Posted 2004-09-17 05:24:25 and read 15669 times.

Seems like the main reasons are
1. safety- not everybody realizes that altitude increases the effects of alcohol, and this way they crew can watch how much passengers drink
2. economics- don't forget the airline is trying to sell you their drinks for $5 a pop (just taking a random figure here, I know it varies between airlines)
3. legal reasons- there are many laws regarding alcohol consumption, especially here in the US. The airline's liquor license may only be valid if they are the ones doing the serving.
The situation isn't limited to airlines, think about other places like sports stadiums. For the most part you can't bring in alcohol. Same thing at bars and restaurants...most would probably throw you out if you started drinking out of your personal stash, except for those that are byob.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Qantas077
Posted 2004-09-17 05:36:38 and read 15655 times.

the one and only reason why you can't consume alcohol onboard is because an aircraft is a licensed premis, you can't walk into a pub and start drinking your own booze, same rule applies onboard airplanes, you can certainly carry it with you, your not allowed to consume it though.

reason, due to the responsible serving of alcohol law, the alcohol must be served by a certified person, like a flight attendant or bar person.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Iairallie
Posted 2004-09-17 05:50:34 and read 15631 times.

"the one and only reason why you can't consume alcohol onboard is because an aircraft is a licensed premis, you can't walk into a pub and start drinking your own booze, same rule applies onboard airplanes, you can certainly carry it with you, your not allowed to consume it though."

No the one and only reason why in the US is because it is illegal and poses a risk to the other passengers on board.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Type-rated
Posted 2004-09-17 06:10:18 and read 15614 times.

Back in the early 90's when AA had a HOU-BNA flight I was on there was this trashy looking couple approaching the gate before departure (guy: belly exposing T-Shirt, short cut offs and military boots), girl teeny tiny halter top with teeny tiny cut offs and big huge combat boots on and both looked like they hadn't had a bath in a month!) They were also swinging the BIGGEST bottle of noname Vodka I had ever seen in my life. Just the bottle, no bag or anything. The gate agent told them that if they brought that on board they couldn't drink any of it. When boarding, the F/A told them that he better not see that bottle open on the flight or he'll take it away. Sure enough, they were on the same row as me, on the other side of the plane. Seats E&F. There was a businessman in a suit on the aisle seat. We took off, and they asked the F/A for Orange Juice and as soon as the F/A was a few aisles up front they pulled out this jug of Vodka. This went on one or two more times until the F/A from first, (The same F/A that warned them upon boarding) came back and asked for their bottle and explained that only AA is allowed to serve drinks on the a/c.
They told him to screw off and that they were not going to pay $4.00 for drinks. Well the F/A grabbed the bottle and up front he went with it. Then the businessman seated next to them started telling them that "Your not going to let that guy (F/A) get away with that, are you? If you go up front and tell him to give you your bottle back, he probably will." Well, this trashy guy goes up front behind the F/C curtain. Shortly thereafter we heard shouting and yelling of obscenities. The guy comes back with and all of the F/A's tell this guy to sit down and take his seat and to stay there. Trashy girlfreind starts to throw up. Yuk.
When we land in BNA, the F/A made an announcement for these two people to come to the front of the aircraft and would everyone else remain seated please. Sure enough, as we got off the a/c, there they were in the company of BNA police officers. Remember this was 1992 or so, what would have happened now, in the post 9/11 world?

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Foxiboy
Posted 2004-09-17 08:21:56 and read 15536 times.

In the uk it is an offence under the AIR NAVIGATION ORDER to consume alcohol not supplied by the cabin crew, as the crew have to monitor how much alcohol a passenger is drinking, this also applies to duty free spirits bought on board. If a passenger ignores the instructions of a crew member in regards to this or smoking on board ,then they have the authority to have the police meet the A/C and ,the person/s aressted, which can lead the a big fine and or a prison sentance, and a ban on the offender travelling with that airline again,i have known in the past a passenger was refused travel back to the uk on a uk charter airline and the said airline was the only one operating into that airport that summer pax had to travel back via a ferry and expensive flight with a national airline.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Flyboy1980
Posted 2004-09-17 08:48:53 and read 15515 times.

When I was a flight attendant for Air NZ, I struck this situation a couple of times.

The law here is the same, pax cannot consume alcohol they have brought on board. Not only is it a safety issue, but also because the Liquor Licence awarded the airline is virtually the same as the one given to bars - and no one expects to be able to drink their own alcohol in a bar!

The first time was a couple of young Australian guys, I just asked if they were planning on having a drink, they said yes, told them they were welcome to drink their coke but only if they left the bottle of rum in the locker. I explained the liquor licence and they apologised and said they didn't realise and were really good about it.

The second time, this unusal man was on our flight, right up at row 2 on his own (in the ATR 72). I went for a wander through the cabin and noticed a strange looking flask, and small cup that was almost empty. I asked if what he was drink was alcoholic, he said yes, I explained the licence again, but I said seeing as he had almost finished his cup and as long as he didn't have more I wouldn't worry about it. He was very good about it as well.

Advice to ppl with duty free booze on board - don't even try it on. The cabin crew won't go lightly on you, especially if you are obnoxious about it.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2004-09-17 11:01:03 and read 15443 times.

Moral of the story is to disguise it if you want to drink on board! Does anyone remember back in the 70s the duty-free shops used to stick a tape that said "Not to be opened till airborne" over the opening of the bag?

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Saigonhouston
Posted 2004-09-17 18:22:22 and read 15300 times.

I have always brought mini travel size (Bee Feather gin and Grey Goose vodka) with me. Just be discrete and enjoy. Noone ever notice when I'm pouring down my cup.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Deltabobo
Posted 2004-09-17 19:45:36 and read 15153 times.

On a DL flight from ATL to GSP last Wednesday, a couple in F Class brought a fancy bottle of wine onboard. They asked the F/A if they can drink it, but the F/A said that the only way they can drink it is if she serves it to them. They complied and enjoyed the rest of the flight!

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Fixplanes2
Posted 2004-09-17 21:13:32 and read 14847 times.

The renewed interest in brining one's own booze on board is increasing due never-ending price increase by airlines......now $5.00 US for a dented, warm can of "off brand" beer. Pew. Being ripped even more.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: VoodooChild
Posted 2004-09-17 21:54:51 and read 14724 times.

The Aussies out there can probably appreciate this story...............Back in the early 90's/late 80's on a trip back from the UK after the Ashes cricket series David Boon managed to consume 48(!) cans of lager from leaving LHR to arriving in SYD.

Admittedly he had to be helped from the plane!

Unsure if the beer was his own or whether he gobbled the planes supply!

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Jerry1011
Posted 2004-09-17 22:04:27 and read 14687 times.

A few "dry" (Islamic) airlines will allow you to bring your own AND DRINK IT on board. I'm specifically thinking of Royal Brunei (BI), who don't sell alcohol on board but who willingly let customers who want a drink do so.

Airlines which sell/give away alcohol on board DO NOT ALLOW clients to drink their own usually due to [1] the risk of client becoming too drunk, and [2] loss of revenue (and commission for staff).

The getting drunk bit seems pathetic, as I've been (quietly) off my head on airline free booze - especially on generous airlines such as BA and EK - many times. Have also devoured a bottle (not a full-size one!) of Remy Martin on SQ from SIN to MAN last year. Not that SQ are mean, but I deliberately wanted to get loaded enough to sleep - which I did - without any disruption, or my acting drunk and offending others around me!

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: UA744KSFO
Posted 2004-09-18 00:24:57 and read 14304 times.

"the one and only reason why you can't consume alcohol onboard is because an aircraft is a licensed premis, you can't walk into a pub and start drinking your own booze, same rule applies onboard airplanes, you can certainly carry it with you, your not allowed to consume it though."

"No the one and only reason why in the US is because it is illegal and poses a risk to the other passengers on board."

Iairallie,

This means the same thing. The licensing laws regarding alcohol were made because of the risk of in-flight drunkeness (same reason why bars are licensed). Please don't say "no" so quickly next time to someone else's post.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Qantas077
Posted 2004-09-18 00:29:52 and read 14288 times.

thanks UA744KSFO.

as i said it's the main reason, all planes are like a nightclub, licensed to serve alcohol in a responsible manner, that means you don't bring your own booze and start drinking it, if a 15 year old asks for a drink then the cabin crew has the right to refuse, it's because the license does NOT permit minors to consume alcohol within the premises. if you break that law and are caught then your subject to some pretty stiff penalties!

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2004-09-18 00:55:15 and read 14232 times.

license does NOT permit minors to consume alcohol within the premises. if you break that law and are caught then your subject to some pretty stiff penalties!

Not true. The law only says that minors can't be served. It doesn't say they can not consume the alcohol.

When I was a flying lad, from about 7 to 18, my father would ask the stewardess for alcohol for me as well as him. Most FAs served it to me. But I can remember one who said it was only okay if she handed it to my father, who then was at liberty to hand it to me. Either way I was consuming alcohol in their "establishment" and not once did a FA object knowing and seeing who was the consumer of that alcohol.



Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Braybuddy
Posted 2004-09-18 00:55:34 and read 14231 times.

In 32 years of flying (as a passenger) I've only seen people who were really smashed a couple of times, and the cabin crew dealt with them easily. I flew Continental LGW to LAX via IAH with a buddy. They plied us with so much booze on the way out that we took a couple of small bottles of wine with us. On the second leg, just after take-off we got some paper cups from the water fountain and opened the bottles. The female flight attendant saw us and said "You're not supposed to do that .. . but seein' that it's our shit I don't give a shit".

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Qantas077
Posted 2004-09-18 01:32:07 and read 14199 times.

hmmm.
i think you know what i was trying to say, they can't be served is what i was getting at.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Sian
Posted 2004-09-18 02:13:24 and read 14178 times.

I'm a terribly fearful flier, and the odd brandy or glass of champagne really does help to quell the fear. However, this becomes a problem when one has to be at the gate an hour before boarding, and the drinks trolley on the plane might not reach me (with the chilled champagne of course!) until 40 minutes into the flight. By this time, all the previous airport drinks have worn off, and I am petrified, blood pressure sky-high, and of no use in an emergency as I would either: a) have a heart attack, or b) pass out. By taking a bottle of "perrier water"(!)  Big grin on board, I keep myself a sane and useful passenger in case of an emergency, and actually manage to enjoy the flight. I understand the reason why consumption of one's own alcohol is forbidden on aircraft, yet perhaps this applies more to spirits than to anything else? In any case, at least the F/As can stop serving me their drinks at any point if they think I'm too inebriated. However, in the end, after a few glasses of wine I'm a much more profitable passenger in the duty-free stakes! Big grin

Just my "2 ceiniog" as we say in Wales.

Hwyl!

Sian Big grin

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Staggerwing
Posted 2004-09-18 10:55:37 and read 14088 times.

In the United States, you used to have to worry about the individual state laws in regards to serving a drink on the ground. The federal government says that they own the air, not the state. It is my understanding that the alcohol served by the airlines does not have any state liquor taxes collected on it. The Federal Government exempted the Airlines under the Interstate Commerce clause of the US Constitution. This is what allows a flight attendant to serve a drink to the business and first class passengers before the plane ever pushes away from the gate.

According to Urban Legend this all came about during the 60's. Growing up in Kansas City, I remember hearing as a young child that the Kansas Attorney General felt that the federal law or regulation was unclear and asked the commander of the Kansas Air National Guard to scramble a fighter plane to intercept and order a commercial airliner to land so that the flight crew could be arrested for serving alcohol in Kansas that the state liquor tax had not been collected on. The General called Washington about the request and was told to ignore the Attorney General. Shortly afterward, the federal statute or rule was clarified. Again this is urban legend in Kansas. I can tell you that about 15 years ago, when I was taking the Southwest Chief on Amtrak from K.C. to L.A., the bar closed for about 2 hours while we were passing through the dry counties in Kansas west of Newton. I guess the federal government didn't give Amtrak an exception. All the more strange when you consider that the government owns Amtrak.


Staggerwing

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: BR715-A1-30
Posted 2004-09-18 15:49:46 and read 14026 times.

YO! Necessito Un Vaso Con Hielo... AH HA HA HA HA HA

for those who don't understand, read Elliott Hester's book, PLANE INSANITY!

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Iairallie
Posted 2004-09-18 17:01:27 and read 13992 times.

UA744KSFO- They made it sound like it is more profit motivated. The pub example is based more on profit than safety. You can call the cops on the ground to deal with a rowdy drunk.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: CitationJet
Posted 2004-09-18 18:31:29 and read 13964 times.

The Kansas Attorney General was Vern Miller, who was AG from 1971 to 1975.
http://www.ljworld.com/section/statepolitics/story/99381
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/5574185.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp&1c
He raided Amtrack trains traveling thru Kansas that served liquor by the drink, when Kansas was a "dry" state. He threatened to raid airlines that served drinks over the state. I remember for a while, on flights departing Wichita, KS they could not start serving drinks until the plane left Kansas airspace.
Vern Miller spoke to my high school civics class in the early 70s while he was attorney general of Kansas. He was not against liquor at all, he said he was merely enforcing the laws, and if people didn't like it they should change the law.
Vern Miller's son and grandchildren are friends of ours.
I had never heard anything about fighter planes, I think that is an exaggerated urban legend.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2004-09-19 08:35:06 and read 13856 times.

Not true. The law only says that minors can't be served. It doesn't say they can not consume the alcohol.

Maybe in Canada, but here in the U.S. we have some pretty tough underage drinking laws. If you are caught with a bottle of beer in front of the police officer or found drunk as a minor, its off to the juvie jail. Some states have a zero tolerance policy. I do know that Arizona has the Street Smarts program and Washington State also has a program in place too.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Hmmmm...
Posted 2004-09-20 04:17:06 and read 13726 times.

It is against the law to be caught with open alcohol in Canada, too. It is also against the law to be drunk in public, regardless of age. That is not the issue discussed. The issue is whether airlines allow minors to consume alcohol onboard if it is supplied via a parent. The answer is yes. Because the law says that, in an establishment, and airliners were deemed to be same as licensed establishments for this purpose of legality, minors can not be served. It says nothing about consumption.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2004-09-20 08:55:15 and read 13634 times.

The issue is whether airlines allow minors to consume alcohol onboard if it is supplied via a parent. The answer is yes.

Actually, the F.A.A. does not allow it. F.A.R. Part 121.575 says so.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: Kilavoud
Posted 2004-09-20 10:04:56 and read 13598 times.

In 2003 begin of February when flying ZRH-SIN on SQ in couch, some likely Swiss French lads, during the two first hours of the flight, where joking, heartily laughing and drinking out of their own small whisky bottles. But they were never vulgar, and they gave me the impression they wanted to celebrate something maybe like the beginning of a round the world flight via Australia. The FA glanced at them sometimes, but never told them something, as the lads were not really disturbing.

Cheers. Kilavoud.

Topic: RE: Drinking Your Own Alcohol On Flights
Username: GMUAirbusA320
Posted 2004-09-20 18:19:21 and read 13521 times.

I know a few flight attendants that say they don't mind serving it TO YOU. You must ask a nice one to take it for you, so that if you have too much, they'll cut you off.

It's a nice gesture if you fly, and want some champagne...or if you're Artie Lang, Jack and Water

The key is...BE NICE!!! They'll more than likely help you out.
Best of luck trying to get the GOOSE onboard!

Cheers!
GMUAirbusA320


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