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Topic: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: US A333 PIT
Posted 2004-10-14 17:37:03 and read 5826 times.

What do you think would be profitable considering the current US Airways network? They need help and was wondering what your ideas would be if you were in charge. What point-to-point markets do you think would make sense? What strategic moves could they do to strengthen their network? New destinations etc...I'm curious to see what everyone has to say. Thanks.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: N1120a
Posted 2004-10-14 17:42:17 and read 5799 times.

Honestly, I would rewind the last 15-20 years and hang on to PSA, deconcentrate from the east coast and increase international flying earlier.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: Usairways16bwi
Posted 2004-10-14 17:48:53 and read 5785 times.

well... their most profitable flights are the trans atlantic and carribean flights. they should increase the frequencies of those flights. also, of course, the florida market which is always profitable. as far as point to point, they really should expand further west, maybe they could benifit from their alliance with UA out of denver...

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: InnocuousFox
Posted 2004-10-14 17:49:02 and read 5782 times.

There is nothing novel out there that can support the CASM that they have. New routes isn't going to cut it.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: Flyguyclt
Posted 2004-10-14 17:51:34 and read 5768 times.

You would think if they could get the gates at MDW that they would start somethings in direct compition with ATA. They could go after some business travel and with being a partner with UA. They could easily draw from the Chicago market.

MDW to LGA BOS EWR DCA just to name a few.*



Safe Flying  Smile

* only my opinion.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2004-10-14 17:51:42 and read 5780 times.

Here are some routes...using my home airport..

RDU-MSY (E170.. 2x daily)
RDU-LAX (734.. 1 daily)
RDU-BUF (E145.. 2x daily)
RDU-FLL (E170.. 2x F-Sun)

EWN-JFK (E145.. 2x daily)
EWN-PHL (E145.. 2x daily)
EWN-MCO (E145.. 1x SS)

With Pasadena opening up for commercial service, pull a B6 and make a focus city for West coast.

[Edited 2004-10-14 17:52:28]

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: Kkfla737
Posted 2004-10-14 17:52:54 and read 5761 times.

I think their idea of an FLL mini-hub/Focus city is sound. It is similar logic to what TWA used in the late 90s with SJU. Also, I think that US should assert its status on the east coast with more point to point flights and should also look at downscaling PHL to an Int'l hub, because with the new emphasis on point to point flights, PHL will be overflown from the SE to NE often. CLT should remain the largest hub in the system and US should do everything possible to keep LCCs from entering the CLT market. If they must develop a fortress hub at CLT in order to survive while sacrificing the rest of the network, I'd consider doing that.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: Whlinder
Posted 2004-10-14 18:07:40 and read 5706 times.

I would:

Get transatlantic anti-trust immunity/extensive codesharing with SK.

Start PHL-CPH on the A330
Start BOS-CPH on the 762.
Start CPH-BOM and CPH-DEL with the A330.

All SK transatlantic flights would have US codesharing, and the flights to India would have the SK code on them. Thus allowing:
one connection from BOS/EWR/PHL/IAD/ORD/SEA to get to India. Plus the additional US feed through PHL.
one connection from continental Europe through CPH.

I can't keep track of all the freedoms that US/SK have or don't have, or if US has rights to serve India. But they can try to get them. I also can't keep track of US' widebody utilization, but they eliminated the PIT transatlantic flights, freeing up some aircraft. It can be done. US should look into it.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: Iowaman
Posted 2004-10-14 18:09:36 and read 5663 times.

the florida market which is always profitable.

The florida market is one of the least profitable markets because there is so much competition and the large presence of FL and WN.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: GLAGAZ
Posted 2004-10-14 18:17:51 and read 5643 times.

well... their most profitable flights are the trans atlantic and carribean flights. they should increase the frequencies of those flights.

So any chance of making GLA a year round service? US were supposedly ecstatic with the performance of the new route over the Summer months. Maybe just wishful thinking as US seem to be in their coffin awaiting the nails.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: US A333 PIT
Posted 2004-10-14 21:06:57 and read 5473 times.

What is SK? Is that SAS? Interesting Ideas. Keep 'em coming.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: Kcrwflyer
Posted 2004-10-14 21:59:46 and read 5381 times.

I think our biggest O&D market would work..

CRW-LGA (2x ERJ)

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: FlyMeToTheMoon
Posted 2004-10-14 22:24:11 and read 5322 times.

If you could convince the luminaries in the US Congress any 762 service from DCA to Europe would make money by the barrel for US Airways, assuming a 762 loaded for transatlantic service can operate from DCA. By the way, can it?

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: ScottB
Posted 2004-10-14 23:54:18 and read 5212 times.

I doubt that DCA could handle 767's bound for Europe given its short main runway and terminal space limitations -- not to mention that a 767 laden with enough Jet-A for an 8- to 9-hour flight isn't exactly what you want flying out of an airport within 3 minutes' flying time of the Capitol, White House, Pentagon, etc. The lack of Customs facilities at DCA also makes the plan unworkable.

Adding a bunch of service to Europe in the fall and winter is a bad, bad idea. Loads to Europe drop off precipitously in the winter and much of this flying is only marginally profitable (or just plain unprofitable) in the winter.

I have my doubts about the whole FLL strategy if AA decides to take the gloves off and play hardball with US. I just feel that AA is going to fight very hard to protect its market in South Florida and they have the ability to make the US operation at FLL unprofitable.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2004-10-15 00:10:00 and read 5166 times.

I would go ahead with the proposed PHL-MEX route. I would time it so as to take advantage of the connection opportunities to Europe.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2004-10-15 00:12:46 and read 5163 times.

the florida market which is always profitable.

The florida market is one of the least profitable markets because there is so much competition and the large presence of FL and WN.


The Florida market makes up for loss of yields with density. Also, despite the presence of Southwest, they have not been able to hurt carriers in the South Florida market. MIA and RSW in particular are two very strong yielding markets that command strong load factors. MIA has the added benefit of having those strong load factors year-round.

Despite a heavy LCC presence, FLL's (soon to be) three largest carriers are all cartel: Delta, American, and US Airways.

And smaller Florida airports with limited or no compietition are gold mines: Naples, Melbourne, Key West, Daytona Beach, Fort Walton Beach, Tallahasse, Gainesville. You should just see the outrageous prices Continental Connection charges for a less than 45-minute hop between Miami and Naples.

Palm Beach has limited LCC presence and, with a wealthy population base, strong yields.

Orlando yields suck, but the high, year-round load factors makes the market profitable for most carriers.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: N670UW
Posted 2004-10-15 00:53:45 and read 5090 times.

Orlando yields suck, but the high, year-round load factors makes the market profitable for most carriers.

High load factors do not make up for rock-bottom prices. An airplane full of people on $79 o/w fares from PHL to MCO doesn't equal profit, and I don't believe for a second that MCO is profitable for carriers like US, DL, or CO.

http://www.thestate.com/mld/miamiherald/business/3973999.htm Though that article is from 2002, fares have only gotten worse since then.


670

[Edited 2004-10-15 00:54:13]

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2004-10-15 01:07:12 and read 5064 times.

High load factors do not make up for rock-bottom prices. An airplane full of people on $79 o/w fares from PHL to MCO doesn't equal profit, and I don't believe for a second that MCO is profitable for carriers like US, DL, or CO.

Maybe not US or CO, but it I doubt Delta doesn't make a profit at Orlando. They are the only carrier on a large number of regional routes in the Southeast, to markets with limited or no lowfare compietition, like Charleston, Greensboro, Greer, and Richmond.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: Cumulonimbus
Posted 2004-10-15 01:07:36 and read 5065 times.


Well Call me silly but I would Convert some CRJ orders to Dash-8Q400's. I would do this because of the many short routes they currently operate with CRJ's and Other RJs. Routes I would Like to see are:

RDU -Nassau, YYZ-LGA, CHS-LGA, BWI- RDU BWI- Kansas City, RDU Kansas City. RDU- Syracuse.

I belive that US Should definatly focus on more Point to Point Service.

Just my 2 Cents. Mike

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2004-10-15 04:37:58 and read 4928 times.

I believe US needs to do more transcons..

Use those E170 for some longer P2P flights..

say to CUN or DEN or MSY or DFW or MCI from some of their east coast cities that can handle those markets..

say for example.. RDU, ORF, PVD (not necessarily CUN), GSO, BHM.. etc..

the E170 would be the right size plane for these trips cause they won't go out half empty and the semi-transcon would make it a good money-maker..

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: CO737800
Posted 2004-10-15 04:43:29 and read 4901 times.

I would start winter flights into Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton cause we Canadians like to go to hot places in winter. I think they could fill the planes if they had the right priceand good connecting flights

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: Bigblack
Posted 2004-10-15 07:51:00 and read 4770 times.

BOS to RDU Direct would be handy

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: SHUPirate1
Posted 2004-10-15 08:01:06 and read 4756 times.

Call me crazy, but I don't believe a fully loaded 767 could make it from DCA to IAD due to DCA's short runway...heck, it would probably land in the Potomac River before it took off...

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: Pensacolaguy
Posted 2004-10-15 08:10:18 and read 4750 times.

Well since you're asking...I think US Airways can make some money if they started nonstop. PHL-PNS, DCA-PNS service. Using US Airways Express ERJs/CRJs. The O&D between the Metro Washington D.C Area and PNS is great. You never know untill you give it a try.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: Behramjee
Posted 2004-10-15 10:22:10 and read 4778 times.

Considering the current market conditions of US AIR, I would do the following :

1. Shut down US's CLT and PIT hubs as you cant have 4 hubs on the east coast with PHL-DCA-CLT and PIT. I would keep DCA and PHL as they have brighter futures...and more J/F class pax I would assume.

2. I would look into a West Coast hub city and would probably settle for LA area.

3. I would make USs A 321s replace all the local B 762 operated North American-Domestic flights.

4. I would deploy B 762ERs and A 333s solely on International routes to Europe by increasing services on profitable routes such as LGW-MAN-CDG-FRA.

5. I would also look into flying to Asia namely India having the following route PHL-MUC-BOM as A 333 cant fly CPH-INDIA nonstop but A 332 can !!!

6. New destinations I would look into would be B 762ERs from PHL to Cairo 4 weekly...though 95% of the pax wont be O&D...I believe in the potential of the Egypt-US market which is greatly underserved. From PHL, US AIR can fly pax to virtually any major US city nonstop.

7. Another new destination would be PHL-LOS 4 weekly with a B 762ER alongwith PHL-CPH with a B 762ER.

8. Some B 757s would be used for PHL-UK flights to smaller cities such as BHX-Cardiff etc.

9. I would be adventurous by replacing the 10 A 330-200 order with 6 A 340-500s and 4 A 330-200s so that I can start nonstop PHL-CHINA (PEK/PVG) flights) in the future.

10. I would ASAP try and sell all unwanted aircraft such as the oldest of the B 733s and 734s as well as make them retire ASAP so that my narrow body fleet jet fleet is centred around the A 320 family thus saving on many maintainenance related costs. I would however keep the B 752s and B 762s as theyre extremely useful aircraft for any given situation !!!

11. I would also reconfigure a few A 320s and B 757s into all economy class seating and fly them on routes which purely and mainly have leisure travel and face stiff competition such as PHL-FLL-TPA-LAS-San Diego-MCO etc in order to reduce costs on these routes and compete more effectively with Low cost airlines such as Southwest-ATA-Air Tran.

[Edited 2004-10-15 10:48:41]

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: Usairways16bwi
Posted 2004-10-15 17:14:39 and read 4582 times.

wow...those are some interesting suggestions:

"3. I would make USs A 321s replace all the local B 762 operated North American-Domestic flights"
- I didnt know that the 762's operated domestic flights. i thought all the trans con flights were only A319/320/321 and 757's.

"9. I would be adventurous by replacing the 10 A 330-200 order with 6 A 340-500s and 4 A 330-200s so that I can start nonstop PHL-CHINA (PEK/PVG) flights) in the future"
-thats very creative...unfortunately, the chance of that happening is about the same chance of BA going out of business tomorrow.  Smile

"11. I would also reconfigure a few A 320s and B 757s into all economy class seating and fly them on routes which purely and mainly have leisure travel and face stiff competition such as PHL-FLL-TPA-LAS-San Diego-MCO etc in order to reduce costs on these routes and compete more effectively with Low cost airlines such as Southwest-ATA-Air Tran."
-as for this one, i agree. it would increase loads and lower prices for those particular flights.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: Whlinder
Posted 2004-10-15 17:47:01 and read 4582 times.

I'm curious how an A330-300 can't fly CPH-India. US flies it PHL-FCO, which the great circle mapper has at 4378 mi. CPH-BOM is under 4000 mi, and DEL is even less. MUC is 60 miles closer to BOM than CPH but about 30 miles further to DEL. Its a wash. Northeastern US -CPH-BOM/DEL is slightly fewer miles than transiting through any other major European hub AFAIK (I plugged in LHR/CDG/AMS/MUC/FRA/VIE/MXP and they were all more). If I am missing something please let me know.

Make the connection in CPH easy, its a slightly shorter flying route (unless there are some airspace restrictions to India- I have no idea) and I bet US would have a decent route. The anti-trust immunity with SK (who is SAS for whoever asked earlier) also allows US to reduce costs by splitting the revenue management work up and increases yield as they will be able to coordinate on fares.

Another route to suggest would be PHL-ANC with a 757, at least in the summer. Make it a red-eye and increase the aircraft utilization.

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: ERJ170
Posted 2004-10-15 17:53:24 and read 4550 times.

BOS to RDU Direct would be handy

Well, US is gonna have to do something pretty damn soon. They have to the end of the month to put up more flights/destinations or lose 40% of their gate/ticketing spots.. I know they RON at least 10 A/C.. that kinda loss of space could be detrimental.

Should be interesting to see what they are going to do

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: USAFHummer
Posted 2004-10-15 17:58:56 and read 4521 times.

"Call me crazy, but I don't believe a fully loaded 767 could make it from DCA to IAD due to DCA's short runway...heck, it would probably land in the Potomac River before it took off..."

Your crazy, DCA's longest runway is about the same length as LGA's runway which as you know has handled DL 767 services for years...so DCA-IAD on a 767 would be no problem at all...however I dont believe widebodies are allowed at DCA so this is a moot point...

Greg

Topic: RE: If You Could Start New US Airways Routes?
Username: PHLBOS
Posted 2004-10-15 20:44:54 and read 4441 times.

DCA's longest runway is about the same length as LGA's runway which as you know has handled DL 767 services for years...so DCA-IAD on a 767 would be no problem at all...however I dont believe widebodies are allowed at DCA so this is a moot point...

Actually, DCA's new terminal (now called Terminal B/C, I believe) that opened in the mid-90s had 5 gates that could accomodate 763s. The apron striping drawings, dated June 1994, showed which gates could accomodate the widebodies and how the aircraft would be arranged.

Does anybody know if 767s did indeed serve DCA from 1996 to 2001?


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