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Topic: ORD-PEK Is This A Night Or A Day Flight?
Username: OB1783P
Posted 2004-12-27 01:01:51 and read 5117 times.

Pardon me for a probably stupid question.

I have flown Eastward before, with shortened nights and days.

I have flown Westward before, with endless night or day.

I have flown South, but to same time zone, pretty predictable.

Now I am booked on United 851 on January 7, from Chicago to Beijing. The flight leaves ORD at noon and arrives in PEK at 3:40pm.

On the way back, UA850 leaves PEK at 5:35pm and arrives at ORD at 4:30pm.

I (sort of) understand the International date line, and I know that Beijing is 13 hours ahead of Eastern Standard Time in the USA.

What I simply CAN'T figure out is whether those United flights will be traveling through daylight or darkness. I've been trying with my globe and a flashlight, but then I thought that my smarter friends at a.net would know for sure...

Topic: RE: ORD-PEK Is This A Night Or A Day Flight?
Username: Copter808
Posted 2004-12-27 01:16:52 and read 5091 times.

Since the times are roughly similar to some of SA)">CO's flights, I can give you an answer based on experience. You will leave ORD in the daytime, fly during daylight, and land in daylight. If they use the Polar route, you might get some darkness or the sun very low on the horizon as you near the higher latitudes (near the north pole). You will land in PEK the afternoon of the day AFTER you left ORD.

The return flight will leave PEK in the evening, probably near or after sunset, fly in the dark and land in the daylight on the SAME day that you left PEK. You will also note that (timewise) you will land before you took off!!

I would suspect that UA probably uses the polar route--flying almost North out of ORD, crossing the top of the earth near the north pole, then southward toward Peking. That's the route SA)">CO flies from EWR to HKG anyway. If you can get a window seat, particularly on the left side, for the outbound flight, you will see some nice scenery--all in shades of WHITE!!

Have a great trip!!

Topic: RE: ORD-PEK Is This A Night Or A Day Flight?
Username: B2443
Posted 2004-12-27 01:51:11 and read 5062 times.

Copter808 was right. I personally have been there and done that. UA does operates those flights via or near the North Pole. When you fly UA 851, make sure to watch the Great Wall 30-45 min before landing at PEK. It was an awesome view from 30,000 feet above. Usually UA captains would remind the pax for viewing.

Topic: RE: ORD-PEK Is This A Night Or A Day Flight?
Username: OB1783P
Posted 2004-12-27 12:48:53 and read 4884 times.

Thank you Copter and B2443!

I will write a trip report when I come back.

In China, I will fly Beijing to Harbin on a China Southern MD-82 too.

Topic: RE: ORD-PEK Is This A Night Or A Day Flight?
Username: Stlgph
Posted 2004-12-27 15:12:58 and read 4832 times.

Out of curiosity, how long is the ORD-PEK flight?

Topic: RE: ORD-PEK Is This A Night Or A Day Flight?
Username: Uadc8contrail
Posted 2004-12-27 15:35:40 and read 4807 times.

stlgph,
ua851 usually takes from 12.5 to as much as 14 hrs depending on the route taken and wx enroute, i have that route 4x and 2x have flown within 60 miles of the pole and the other 2x we basically skirted the northern alaska coast.

Topic: RE: ORD-PEK Is This A Night Or A Day Flight?
Username: Stlgph
Posted 2004-12-27 15:48:50 and read 4790 times.

Thanks! Are you a flight attendant/captain? Four trips to China sounds like an exciting career there. Would love to visit.

I figured it would have taken a little longer than that, but it is amazing what the north pole can do. Now what happens if you are over the north pole and need to make a diversion? Are there military bases/strips nearby for planes to divert to?

Also, is this a 777 or a 747? And out of curiosity, where else in China are airlines flying to these days?

Sorry for all the questions, just curious is all.





Topic: RE: ORD-PEK Is This A Night Or A Day Flight?
Username: B2443
Posted 2004-12-27 16:35:52 and read 4764 times.

UA's ORD-PEK route is operated with 772s.
UA flies to PEK and PVG; NW flies to PEK, PVG and CAN. Both fly to HKG as well. UA is looking to start SFO-CAN via NRT first than nonstop in 2005. In addition, AA and CO are competing to start a new US -China service in 2005.

Topic: RE: ORD-PEK Is This A Night Or A Day Flight?
Username: Ual777contrail
Posted 2004-12-27 16:37:55 and read 4760 times.

I am going Jan 10th. It will be my 3rd time to PEK. It is a fun city, and seeing the wall is amazing.
The 2 times I have traveled to PEK we have always taken the route just skimming the tip of Alaska, and down into Siberia.


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