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Topic: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-17 22:49:10 and read 5067 times.

Dear all,

when will AA start a DFW-BOG run?
In my opinion they can fill up without a problem a daily flight on this routing!
They have very good international connections from DFW.

regards
Avianca

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: ConcordeBoy
Posted 2005-02-17 22:59:38 and read 5046 times.

MIA would be the better port relevant to the concern of int'l connections.

DFW for domestic.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-17 23:05:03 and read 5030 times.

to witch international citys they have better conections from MIA?

Europe DFW is better conected as MIA, MIA has only good conections to LatinAmerica...

regards
Avianca

[Edited 2005-02-17 23:16:49]

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: ConcordeBoy
Posted 2005-02-17 23:12:16 and read 5013 times.

...English please  Confused

Topic: RE: Airlines Of Yesterday
Username: NikonDFW
Posted 2005-02-17 23:12:44 and read 5011 times.

DFW-BOG is in the works, just may take a while to get the necessary approvals,etc.. DFW is going to start getting it's fair share of international flights over the next year or two. Mexico and deep Latin America will be the big ones, with asia and canada getting a little here and there as well.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-17 23:18:00 and read 4997 times.

Quoting ConcordeBoy (reply 3):


I am sorry, unfotunatly English is not my motherlanguage...

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2005-02-17 23:28:39 and read 4987 times.

Actually, CO only manages to get 69% load factors on the BOG-IAH route with a 737-700. AA´s smallest aircraft capable of flying it would be the 738, and I dont see it easy to split the market, maybe AA being the looser. And regarding Europe connections, people are NOT using Us airlines anymore, as we have quite a decent service to the old continent and the transit visas.

[Edited 2005-02-17 23:30:57]

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-17 23:33:36 and read 4978 times.

AA serves also daily CCS with 737, why should they not fill up a daily 737?
alternativ conection to europe, and also better conection to the west of the us...

regards
Avianca

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2005-02-18 00:42:55 and read 4941 times.

CCS has more demand than BOG, maybe more Venezuelans are living in Dallas. People already have well advertised and cheap Delta for West US and about the europe connections, dont think it will be more than 4 pax per flight.
Its a very unpredictable market.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Texdravid
Posted 2005-02-18 00:47:29 and read 4932 times.

CC Boy,

Relax, English is not his native tongue!! Give him a break. This is not just an American board.

As for the topic at hand, AA should be very careful...

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: 757MDE
Posted 2005-02-18 00:55:31 and read 4923 times.

69% is a really good load, specially if there are good yields and not everybody is flying by the miles or something else.
I read some press release of Continental when they were celebrating the 10th contiuous year of operations in Colombia and they were quite happy with both the routes they have here (BOG - EWR and BOG - IAH).
There are drawbacks of course, but I wouldn't think AA wouldn't start DFW -BOG if it was to happen just because CO "only" has 69% of loads to IAH, it's a very different thing.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-18 01:04:08 and read 4908 times.

Quoting RCS763AV (reply 8):
. People already have well advertised and cheap Delta for West US and about the europe connections, dont think it will be more than 4 pax per flight.


AA is doing very well with the Colombian market, and people looking for alternatives, AA could do very well on the market between Colombia and California conecting through DFW hub. Also direct market DFW-BOG is so small.

regards
Avianca

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-02-18 02:17:44 and read 4888 times.

Quoting Avianca (reply 2):
to witch international citys they have better conections from MIA?

Europe DFW is better conected as MIA, MIA has only good conections to LatinAmerica...


Incorrect.

From MIA, AA offers connections (including codeshares) to six European cities: Helsinki, London (Heathrow), Madrid, Manchester, Paris, and Zurich

From DFW, they offer connections to four cities, Frankfurt, London (Gatwick), Paris, and Zurich.

LHR and MAD are by far the most important connecting trans-Atlantic routes, and neither is served from Dallas.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-18 02:37:54 and read 4850 times.

yes you are correct including codeshare in winter they serve more destinations from MIA, but DFW - LGW is double daily (to LGW due too Bermuda II) Helsenki is not a year arround flight, and DFW is also linked with asia key-market NRT.

regards
Avianca

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-02-18 02:41:41 and read 4843 times.

Quoting Avianca (reply 13):
yes you are correct including codeshare in winter they serve more destinations from MIA, but DFW - LGW is double daily (to LGW due too Bermuda II)


So what if DFW-LGW is double daily (MIA-LHR is double daily on weekends, and BA offers double daily MIA-LHR, and triple daily on certain days)? That doesn't change the fact that it is easier to connect to London via Miami, and that Miami offers connections to Heathrow, as opposed to Gatwick.

Quote:
and DFW is also linked with asia key-market NRT.


I doubt there is that much BOG-NRT traffic.

BOG-DFW just doesn't have that big of a market for AA to fly it. AA had looked into it in the past, but the BOG market isn't strong enough. Maybe in the future.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-18 02:48:55 and read 4833 times.

I agree to you that including code-share mia is stronger


Quoting MAH4546 (reply 14):
I doubt there is that much BOG-NRT traffic.


of course it is not the biggest market, but for sure not a zero market, there are enought japanese companys investing money in colombia....

as mentioned before the flight could be filled up with the colombia-california market ....

regards
Avianca

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: SOUTHAMERICA
Posted 2005-02-18 03:12:25 and read 4816 times.

Quoting Avianca (reply 15):
as mentioned before the flight could be filled up with the colombia-california market



It would be very nice if you informed us on what info are you basing your statement.

Avianca, for example, failed in LAX, even routing through MEX. AV already codeshares with DL on both the BOG-ATL and ATL-LAX routes, and if that isn't enough, AV also codehsares with both AV and TA to their respective hubs, from where reaching LAX is just one step away.



SOUTHAMERICA

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2005-02-18 03:16:37 and read 4807 times.

AA is doing good in Colombia b/c there is HUGE O/D pax for MIA. Very few people use AA for connections. BOG-DFW would only be good for connections, and as I said, we already have Delta (cheap) and Air Canada, Taca, Copa.....


Pax from BOG to NRT........not much, not to fill a daily 738 from BOG to DFW, as most transit via Europe which is faster.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: A300AA
Posted 2005-02-18 03:22:08 and read 4803 times.

There were plans to launch that service before Sep 11, using a daily 757.
Then rumors came that the flight will make a stop in PTY, but never worked.
Instead of that the 3rd daily flight to MIA will be permanent from June 10.
So BOG will have almost the same seats , prior to Sep 11.
Regards
Crew

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: 757MDE
Posted 2005-02-18 03:32:44 and read 4791 times.

I don't think Avianca failed at LAX because there was no demand, because I'm almost sure there is. High fares could be just one of the factors, and well, Mexican authorities didn't help much with the freedom rights either.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-18 03:37:03 and read 4802 times.

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (reply 16):
It would be very nice if you informed us on what info are you basing your statement.

Avianca, for example, failed in LAX, even routing through MEX. AV already codeshares with DL on both the BOG-ATL and ATL-LAX routes, and if that isn't enough, AV also codehsares with both AV and TA to their respective hubs, from where reaching LAX is just one step away.


I am talking that there is demand for the colombian - california sector. Alone LAX area has more than 100.000 colombians + San Franciso market.....
A conecting through a AA hub is a different storry than direct flights from Colombia to LAX with B707, B757 or B767.





Quoting RCS763AV (reply 17):
AA is doing good in Colombia b/c there is HUGE O/D pax for MIA. Very few people use AA for connections. BOG-DFW would only be good for connections, and as I said, we already have Delta (cheap) and Air Canada, Taca, Copa.....


intresting where you from have this details, because this is totally nonsence. Yes the MIA market is a big market for O/D to colombia, but the flights are also good booked with transit passengers to other AA destinations in NorthAmerica, Europe and Asia.

Quoting RCS763AV (reply 17):
Pax from BOG to NRT........not much, not to fill a daily 738 from BOG to DFW, as most transit via Europe which is faster.


have never say there is enough demand from BOG to NRT too fill a daily 738. By the way transit via Europe is not faster, of course not so complicate but not faster, please calculate, a 10 hour flight from colombia to europe + 12 hours europe - japan, via US is faster.

we are talking about a B738 from BOG to DFW, for passengers of the local colombian / texas O/D market, + transfer passengers to west us + asia + europe and also mid-west destinations in the us.

regards
Avianca

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: NikonDFW
Posted 2005-02-18 03:39:11 and read 4778 times.

Local DFW area floral distributors have guaranted AA 6 to 8,000lbs of fresh cut flowers daily on a inbound BOG-DFW flight. With AA/AE adding close to 200 more DFW flights, DFW-BOG will work

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-02-18 03:43:08 and read 4771 times.

Quoting Avianca (reply 20):


I am talking that there is demand for the colombian - california sector. Alone LAX area has more than 100.000 colombians + San Franciso market.....
A conecting through a AA hub is a different storry than direct flights from Colombia to LAX with B707, B757 or B767.


Connect via MIA. BOG-LAX via DFW is not singificantly quicker than via MIA. The difference in flight time would be less than an hour.

Quoting Avianca (reply 20):
intresting where you from have this details, because this is totally nonsence. Yes the MIA market is a big market for O/D to colombia, but the flights are also good booked with transit passengers to other AA destinations in NorthAmerica, Europe and Asia.


AA's Colombia flights have a much higher proportion of O&D compared to many other cities.

Quoting Avianca (reply 20):

we are talking about a B738 from BOG to DFW, for passengers of the local colombian / texas O/D market, + transfer passengers to west us + asia + europe and also mid-west destinations in the us.


There is barely a market for passengers between Colombia, Texas, and the US Midwest. The market is mainly along the Eastern seaboard.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-18 04:29:10 and read 4748 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 22):
There is barely a market for passengers between Colombia, Texas, and the US Midwest. The market is mainly along the Eastern seaboard.


why? Colombians are living across the US from East to West coast from North to South, your post is 20 years too late.

citys like chicago, lax have colombian comuntiys with over 100.000 people, also other citys like SFO, PHX .... have not realy small colombian population not that big as LAX and CHI but they have.

in the last 5 years immigrate more than 1 million of colombians in the us, and for sure they are all not arround south florida...

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Flyguy1
Posted 2005-02-18 04:38:40 and read 4736 times.

Would AA ever operate JFK-BOG? AV are the only carrier on this route currently.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: 757MDE
Posted 2005-02-18 05:33:51 and read 4707 times.

AV is the only one from JFK but CO flies from EWR also.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-02-18 05:37:38 and read 4702 times.

Quoting Avianca (reply 23):
citys like chicago, lax have colombian comuntiys with over 100.000 people, also other citys like SFO, PHX .... have not realy small colombian population not that big as LAX and CHI but they have.


The Colombian community in Chicago is not 100,000 people. It is quite small, actually, and I doubt that LA's Colombian community is that large either. I live in Chicago half the year, and if there is a large Colombian community, they sure do a good job of hiding.

The only large Colombian communities in the US exist in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and New York City, which are, surprise, Avianca's three US gateway cities. There are smaller Colombian communities in cities like LA and Atlanta, but they only number around 30,000.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: AirStatDFW
Posted 2005-02-18 05:38:50 and read 4704 times.

Quoting Avianca (reply 13):
but DFW - LGW is double daily (to LGW due too Bermuda II)


AA is going to 3X daily and with BA that will be 4X daily flights between DFW-LGW.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2005-02-18 16:18:25 and read 4641 times.

The people that emigrated to the LA area did it in the 1970s-80s. Theyir sons and daughters are already american and they dont have much interest in coming back to Colombia, as they fled from here because of the lack of opportunities.

Flight times from BOG to NRT (plus connection times):

BOG-CDG-NRT: 22 55 minn outbound (24h 35 min with coennction included), 24h 20 imn inbound (30h 40 min with connection)
BOG-MIA-DFW-NRT: 39 h 05 min outbound (with connection), 32h 15 min inbound (including connection)
BOG-MIA-ORD-NRT: 34h 32 min outbound (with connection) 32h 20 min inbound (with connection)

All according to airfrance.com, aa.com and expedia.com

So transit via CDG is like 3.5 hours faster....and does not include the hassle of going trough US customs.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-18 18:01:44 and read 4612 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 26):
The Colombian community in Chicago is not 100,000 people. It is quite small, actually, and I doubt that LA's Colombian community is that large either. I live in Chicago half the year, and if there is a large Colombian community, they sure do a good job of hiding.

The only large Colombian communities in the US exist in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and New York City, which are, surprise, Avianca's three US gateway cities. There are smaller Colombian communities in cities like LA and Atlanta, but they only number around 30,000.


yes this 2 areas have really very large communities, but like from 500.000 to 1 million

Atlanta for example has not 30.000, it has like 100.000 also Boston has 80.000 and also the colombian comunity in RhodeIsland is big.

I am searching for the statistics that I have about his matter...




Quoting RCS763AV (reply 28):
Flight times from BOG to NRT (plus connection times):

BOG-CDG-NRT: 22 55 minn outbound (24h 35 min with coennction included), 24h 20 imn inbound (30h 40 min with connection)
BOG-MIA-DFW-NRT: 39 h 05 min outbound (with connection), 32h 15 min inbound (including connection)
BOG-MIA-ORD-NRT: 34h 32 min outbound (with connection) 32h 20 min inbound (with connection)

All according to airfrance.com, aa.com and expedia.com

So transit via CDG is like 3.5 hours faster....and does not include the hassle of going trough US customs.


yes in the moment, I talked about a direct conection if AA install a BOG-DFW flight...

saludos
Avianca

[Edited 2005-02-18 18:13:02]

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-02-18 18:16:26 and read 4602 times.

Quoting Avianca (reply 29):
yes this 2 areas have really very large communities, but like from 500.000 to 1 million


No, they don't.

Quote:
Atlanta for example has not 30.000, it has like 100.000 also Boston has 80.000 and also the colombian comunity in RhodeIsland is big.


Atlanta's Colombian community is not six digits large.

Quote:
I am searching for the statistics that I have about his matter...


You will not find them. Miami/Fort Lauderdale's Colombian community is the largest, followed by New York's. They are the only ones in the six digits. No other Colombian community in the US comes close to that. Not LA, Atlanta, or Chicago. Here's a little blurb on Atlanta's Colombian community:

The consul asked for them to support the new wave of Colombians moving to Atlanta seeking better opportunities, as the metro area now has an estimated 25,000 immigrants.




[Edited 2005-02-18 18:23:11]

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-18 18:22:59 and read 4597 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 30):
You will not find them. Miami/Fort Lauderdale's Colombian community is the largest, and it is only about 130,000. No other Colombian community in the US comes close to that. Not LA, Atlanta, or Chicago. The Miami/Lauderdale Colombian community is the only one in the US over 100,000.


and where is living the more than 1 million of colombians that immigrates the last 5 years? maybe in Alaska? Come on 130000 in SouthFlorida, Colombians you forgot a 0 ! The colombian community is the second largest behind the Cubans in South Florida...

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-02-18 18:24:14 and read 4594 times.

Quoting Avianca (reply 31):
and where is living the more than 1 million of colombians that immigrates the last 5 years? maybe in Alaska? Come on 130000 in SouthFlorida, Colombians you forgot a 0 ! The colombian community is the second largest behind the Cubans in South Florida...


You are correct, that figure is too small. But I didn't forget a "0". The actual number is closer to a quarter of a million.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: NYCAAer
Posted 2005-02-18 18:31:35 and read 4584 times.

Flyguy1, AA operated JFK-BOG in the early '90s with a 763 and later with a 752, but it was highly unprofitable. The flight would go out with only around 20 people on board. Apparently Avianca's marketing campaign in the Colombian community in New York worked well.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: SOUTHAMERICA
Posted 2005-02-18 20:20:56 and read 4559 times.

It is noticeable that DL codeshares with AV on the BOG-JFK-BOG and CLO-MDE-JFK-MDE-CLO routes. AV serves JFK from 3 different Colombian cities, among them obviously Bogota with the daily service operated exclusively by the only 767-300ER aircraft in the fleet.

In hot travelling periods it is common to see MDE-CLO extended to daily or upgraded to 767-200ER, and BOG served with two flights on some days.



SOUTHAMERICA

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2005-02-18 20:59:19 and read 4541 times.

Actually, yes there must be about a million Colombians in South Florida. Also, there are about 400.000 in NY and like 70.000 in Boston, dont know about Chicago or Atlanta.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-02-18 21:46:40 and read 4524 times.

Quoting RCS763AV (reply 35):
Actually, yes there must be about a million Colombians in South Florida. Also, there are about 400.000 in NY and like 70.000 in Boston, dont know about Chicago or Atlanta.


There are not 1,000,000 Colombians in South Florida. There are just over a 1,000,000 Cubans, and they are by far our largest immigrant group:

Miami Herald:
According to the 2000 Census, Miami-Dade County has the highest concentration of Colombians in the U.S. -- about 70,000 at the time of the survey. About 30,000 live in Broward County.


Now, census reports are rarely ever accurate and almost always underestimate immigrant populations, sometimes they report less than half, so saying there are about 200,000 Colombians in Miami/Lauderdale is probably correct. But 1,000,000? No way. And 400,000 in New York City? No.

[Edited 2005-02-18 21:52:57]

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-18 21:54:00 and read 4516 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 36):
There are not 1,000,000 Colombians in South Florida. There are just over a 1,000,000 Cubans, and they are by far our largest immigrant group.


and why nearly 75 percent of the population south floridas are spanish native speakers? for sure a huge amount have the US passport but they are colombians....

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-02-18 22:24:59 and read 4506 times.

Quoting Avianca (reply 37):
and why nearly 75 percent of the population south floridas are spanish native speakers? for sure a huge amount have the US passport but they are colombians....


Firstly, 75% of South Florida's population is not native Spanish speaker. The number is closer to 65% of Miami-Dade's population, and about 50% of South Florida's population.

Secondly, since when are Colombians the only ones that speak Spanish? Miami's native Spanish speakers are Cuban, Argentine, Venezuelan, Peruvian, Dominican, Bolivian, Chilean, Mexican, Nicruaguan...I can go on. I'm fluent in Spanish, and I'm not even Hispanic. If you live in Miami, hispanic or not, chances are you speak Spanish. I've already showed you the numbers that proove you wrong. If you don't want to believe them, that is fine.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Bogota
Posted 2005-02-18 22:26:46 and read 4502 times.

Out of the five million Colombians living abroad 39.09% live in the US, 48.09% live in Venezuela and 9.12% in Spain. That means that around 2 million live in the US. If 1.5 million live in South Florida and New York and Boston there are still a considerable number of Colombians to be accounted through out the country.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: A300AA
Posted 2005-02-18 22:30:28 and read 4498 times.

Yes I think we are a lot of people living outside of the country, but not that much, its not more than 600 000 in Dade county, and less in Broward.
That's my thoughts.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-18 23:10:32 and read 4492 times.

Quoting Bogota (reply 39):
Out of the five million Colombians living abroad 39.09% live in the US, 48.09% live in Venezuela and 9.12% in Spain. That means that around 2 million live in the US. If 1.5 million live in South Florida and New York and Boston there are still a considerable number of Colombians to be accounted through out the country.


very intresting post, Bogota dou you know if this 5 millions are only the colombians with still colombian documents, or also including the many colombians that have now spanish, us or documents from what else country?


Quoting MAH4546 (reply 38):
Secondly, since when are Colombians the only ones that speak Spanish?


of course not only the colombians are the spanish speakers in south florida ...

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 38):
I've already showed you the numbers that proove you wrong. If you don't want to believe them, that is


Yes I will not believe in it because its wrong, Bogotas post seems much more realistic...

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Klwright69
Posted 2005-02-20 01:10:18 and read 4441 times.

It is CO's 10th anniversary to BOG? How cool! it brings back memories! I remember flying IAH-BOG just a couple weeks after it started. I took it again later on when CO started receiving the 757. LAX-IAH-BOG was the first 757 route for CO. It was exciting being on that freshly manufactured jet, taxiing out at IAH in front of CO's ancient 727s. The 757 was later taken off IAH-BOG. Anyway, even though I took the flights not long after they were introduced, I got the very distinct impression that it was, and would continue being, a rather thin route for them. In Around the same time, I also took flights from IAH to Honduras, Panama and Ecuador. Now those had HEAVY loads for CO.

The point is that a 69% load factor proves that my impression was correct. Clearly this route has taken years and years to really mature. Of course it doesn't mean it's not profitable as indicated. I think EWR-BOG does have higher load factors. I just don't think the market between Texas cities and Colombia is all that big.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2005-02-20 04:25:56 and read 4403 times.

Yes, EWR-BOG had 72% load factors in 2004.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-02-20 05:29:31 and read 4380 times.

Quoting Avianca (reply 41):

Yes I will not believe in it because its wrong, Bogotas post seems much more realistic...


Okay, that's fine. Ignore what the Official 2000 US Census says, and instead, believe what a poster on Airliners.net says.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Klwright69
Posted 2005-02-20 05:55:59 and read 4371 times.

Oh, and in the Avianca-MAH4546 debate, MAH is the correct one.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-20 07:24:54 and read 4357 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 44):
Okay, that's fine. Ignore what the Official 2000 US Census says, and instead, believe what a poster on Airliners.net says.


Quoting Klwright69 (reply 45):
Oh, and in the Avianca-MAH4546 debate, MAH is the correct one.


ok please let me know where I can find the Offical 2000 US Census, are the colombian with US documents and also the illegals borne in mind?

I have Colombian friends who are living in following US citys.

MIAMI
Fort Lauderdale
Boca Raton
New York City
Boston
San Antonio
San Francisco
Los Angeles
Atlanta
and even Ancorache

they all telling me different thinks...

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-20 07:45:17 and read 4345 times.

Quoting CORULEZ05 (reply 47):


what a post....

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: SFOMEX
Posted 2005-02-20 09:16:42 and read 4340 times.

C'mon guys, cool down!

During my years living at the San Francisco's Bay Area I had the chance to meet the Colombian consul in the city. She was a friend of a friend of mine (un paisa, Alberto donde quiera que estés un saludo!). She told us that the Colombian community in CA was growing really fast, mainly because of the hundreds of Colombians traveling to the USA to stay there. Certainly, most Colombians live in East Coast, but the trend is changing toward the West Coast.
I know first hand that most Colombians living in CA fly to MIA to take a connection to BOG or Medellín. As we all know, MIA is not a nice experience for people from Latin American. Most Hispanics hate the way they are treated over there (I'm talking about Immigration and Customs only). MIA and LAX have this bad reputation among many Latino immigrants. That's why DFW is not a bad idea as a connection hub for people living in the west of America. Heck, I did it many times, flying SFO-DFW-MEX or SFO-PHX-MEX rather than SFO-MEX or SFO-LAX-MEX. AA should give it a chance.

PS. Saludos a los compas Colombianos. Tengo buenos amigos paisas y caleños a los que realmente extraño.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Bogota
Posted 2005-02-20 17:04:41 and read 4316 times.

This figure includes all Colombians, legal, illegal, residents abroad and dual citizens of another country. And just for MAH4546, first that census is 2000 which probably reflects situation around 1999 and the largest migrations out Colombia began in 1999 and went through 2002. So the numbers must have changed dramatically. Before 1996 there were under 3 million Colombians abroad and the figure reached around 5 million by 2004. The migration peaked during 2000-01 and dropped dramatically after Uribe took office. Out of my good old friends ten of them migrated to the US, 7 to South Florida, 2 to New York and 1 to California. I think the percentages are the same for most people who have friends who migrated. Out of that 50 % live in Miami area and 50 % around Weston or West Palm Beach or somewhere in that area.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2005-02-20 18:42:27 and read 4297 times.

Quoting CORULEZ05 (reply 47):
well who knows, maybe the DFW-BOG flights would spread the drug industry in Dallas.....LOL.....make it another Miami


OK i have just suggested deletion. What an airheaded, ignorant, typical stupid gringo post.

It would be great if AA started BOG-ORD. There are way more Colombians in the Chicago area than in Dallas. Also, this would be a real way of connecting to asia, as AA is already flying ORD-NRT and ORD-NGO and they want to start ORD-PVG.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: CORULEZ05
Posted 2005-02-20 18:47:14 and read 4296 times.

@RCS......it was a joke.....geeze....you people are soooooooooo uptight....Letterman joked about it awhile back if I remember correctly...get over it...I have Colombian friends so I dont have a problem with the country or the people....it was a joke...kind of making fun of that typical stereotype of that country.....oddly enough, even my Colombian friends joke about it.......you know, when I signed up for this...I NEVER THOUGHT people could be so uptight and close minded and wouldn't be able to take a joke......and fyi, I'm not gringo...I'm Mexican......and I can make fun of that fact that in my country there is ALSO a lot of drug traffic....it is just a fact, GET OVER IT!

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: NoMoreRjs
Posted 2005-02-21 01:25:38 and read 4244 times.

Here is some information on Latin populations in the US.

http://web.gc.cuny.edu/lastudies/Latinodatabases.htm

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2005-02-21 12:21:03 and read 4197 times.

No were not getting over it until you stop mocking and discriminating us!

You dont know what its like to have a Colombian passport in a US airport. And for the record, theres not a drug industry b/c Colombians want it and are corrupt, its b/c gringos demand it. About your colombian friends who joke about it, I bet they all live in the US very comfortably.

[Edited 2005-02-21 12:35:18]

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Bongo
Posted 2005-02-21 14:06:43 and read 4181 times.

Quoting Texdravid (reply 9):
CC Boy,

Relax, English is not his native tongue!! Give him a break. This is not just an American board.


There's a nice tool, free for all, called "spell check" right next to the "Post the Message" !!

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-02-21 23:04:36 and read 4143 times.

Quoting Bongo (reply 54):
There's a nice tool, free for all, called "spell check" right next to the "Post the Message" !!


yes the spelling, but not the gramma and maybe false words that where used...

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: Incitatus
Posted 2005-02-21 23:31:35 and read 4137 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (reply 22):
Connect via MIA. BOG-LAX via DFW is not singificantly quicker than via MIA. The difference in flight time would be less than an hour.


Yes but incoming international flights to Dallas are a breeze compared to Miami. A visitor can easily spend 60 minutes in line at MIA immigration to face an immigration officer that barely speaks English (Ok, the English part is not relevant to the thread). Then there is all the construction and the maze with the signs saying "Terminal A: one zillion minutes". Dallas immigration is fast unless one arrives between 2:00 PM and 3:00 PM. Having at heart the health of connecting passengers, American has maximized the exercise time through MIA.



Quoting MAH4546 (reply 22):
There is barely a market for passengers between Colombia, Texas, and the US Midwest.


No reference in this thread was made to oil. Colombia is a big producer. Dallas as well as Houston are business centers for the oil industry.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-02-21 23:38:49 and read 4132 times.

Quoting Incitatus (reply 56):
Dallas as well as Houston are business centers for the oil industry.


Houston more so than Dallas, which is why Continental has expressed interest in starting service to Medellin. Even so, Colombia/Medellin's oil industry is not huge, and nothing compared to Maracaibo/Venezuela.

Topic: RE: When Will AA Start DFW-BOG?
Username: RCS763AV
Posted 2005-02-25 21:00:30 and read 4064 times.

Colombia is not a big producers, we wont be able to use our own oil in 5 years, as we will have to start importing. Were really dry.


BTW: Im back from Guajira! Hello All!


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