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Topic: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2005-04-26 06:18:00 and read 22675 times.

As always there's no official information from our airlines, similar to AM B777's/or the second batch for new B737s (which was announced way off late).... and many more.

Anyway, I read in another mexican forum that some hours ago a user listened on the radio an interview with MX people confirming the arrival of 2 A330-200s to the airline later this year and 2 A340-500 in 2006 for China, Japan and Thailand!

They also confirmed the arrival of additional A318/319/320s for the next months.

Something I also read in an article this day, there's no direct link so I'm pasting a little extract from the article:

.....Es actualmente una de las aerolineas mas importantes de la region, y esta dicho que para el 2006, Mexicana iniciará operaciones a Asia, especificamente China, Japon, y Tailandia, con aviones Airbus A340-500.....

As some people have told APM Group, A340's will be introduced sometime near June and July of 2006.

What else can I say! Finally what we were all in Mexico expecting for years from our airlines is becoming a reality! About time! Hurray!   

Ricardo APM!

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Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: JoseMEX
Posted 2005-04-26 06:20:58 and read 22650 times.

Any idea where the 345's will come from?

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Ktachiya
Posted 2005-04-26 06:23:37 and read 22640 times.

Hey Ghost  wave 

At least some good news for Airbus today. It was looking like disaster for Airbus today with AC ordering the T7's and many other people saying that NW and KE were also going to order the 787 over the A350. Wow~ will this service be direct? If then, JL is getting some competition because their service right now is routed through YVR, but the airline does not have the equipment to open a direct service? Or with payload restrictions, can a 744 make it? Eitherway, glad for Airbus and MX.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2005-04-26 06:34:16 and read 22584 times.

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 1):
Any idea where the 345's will come from?

I hope that at least MX gets new A345s. Perhaps another possibility is getting them from SQ or AC.

**
Hi Ktachiya,

Technically there are aircrafts with enough range to fly MEX-Asia non-stop and viceversa but Boeing and Airbus never consider on their rings of range maps other factors such as MEX's high airport elevation, temperature, etc!

Therefore MX will also be forced to make a stop. They are studying the possibility of flying from MEX via SJD (Los Cabos) or TIJ-Asia. I don't know how this will affect JL flights. At least there will now be more competition with LAX!

Ricardo APM

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Mark_D.
Posted 2005-04-26 06:47:11 and read 22527 times.

Good for Mexicana --more direct service to far-away places and no U.S. transit-visa overhead either, of course. I hope they're getting a good deal on 'em too.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Sean-SAN-
Posted 2005-04-26 07:34:59 and read 22413 times.

Who really flies from Mexico to Thailand? Unless they're hoping to get alot of east coast US based traffic..

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: MTYFREAK
Posted 2005-04-26 07:41:20 and read 22387 times.

Excellent!!!

It was about time,

Is MX going to have a real first class now?

Or is it going to be same old "Clase Ejecutiva" all the way to Asia?

I think JL has the advantage there unless MX does something about it.


Konishiwa

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Brons2
Posted 2005-04-26 07:44:14 and read 22378 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 3):
Technically there are aircrafts with enough range to fly MEX-Asia non-stop and viceversa but Boeing and Airbus never consider on their rings of range maps other factors such as MEX's high airport elevation, temperature, etc!

Therefore MX will also be forced to make a stop. They are studying the possibility of flying from MEX via SJD (Los Cabos) or TIJ-Asia. I don't know how this will affect JL flights. At least there will now be more competition with LAX!

MEX-NRT is only about 6100nm!

I can certainly appreciate the hot n high conditions at MEX. But you're telling me that an A345 can't make even _that_ distance? According to the published specs on airbus.com, that would be 2900nm under the plane's max range.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Trevd
Posted 2005-04-26 08:07:46 and read 22297 times.

Think ghost77 has this right...

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 3):
I hope that at least MX gets new A345s. Perhaps another possibility is getting them from SQ or AC.

Expect many of the lessor owner A345 will be coming out of Air Canada (and SQ too!!) as most as they transition to the 772LR and 787's.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Mike1974
Posted 2005-04-26 12:53:26 and read 21986 times.

Awesome news for MX!!! Finally both AM and MX will have widebodies! Just a question about the routes to Asia; anyone know if any Asian carriers will introduce service to MEX? Airlines like Cathay, Air China, China Airlines, China Southern, etc. have the metal to start service to the mexican capital and i know some of them have been debating for a while to give the go for such route. I think the market is there to start 2 weekly flights or even more. Wouldnt mind seeing more international airlines servicing MEX (especially from Asia)either. But again, congrats to MX

Also, anyone have any idea how many weekly flights MX will have to such destinations? 2x weekly flights sounds feasible.

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Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Galapagapop
Posted 2005-04-26 13:14:44 and read 21931 times.

I'm sure the A345's come from AC as AC recieves their first 3 777's on 2006. Now whether their LR, I'm not sure.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Latinplane
Posted 2005-04-26 18:22:52 and read 21526 times.

Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 5):

I'm not sure that there's enough traffic to warrant the route, but it is my understanding-- without supporting evidence --that among the upper middle income Mexicans, Thailand is a very popular destination. Don't know if there's enough traffic though; even out of LAX, where there's a sizeable Thai community; Thai Airways has a difficult time filling up their 744s to BKK. Realistically speaking, China and Japan are more promising.



I don't want to get carried away, as we know very well with Mexican aviation, its a very wishy-washy affair, but this certainly puts a grin on my face, let's hope it does come true. veryhappy   thumbsup 


 Smile LatinPlane

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Cruiser
Posted 2005-04-26 18:26:30 and read 21489 times.

It would be (yet another) blow to Airbus if they bought the A345's off of AC.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: PANAM_DC10
Posted 2005-04-26 19:11:29 and read 21354 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
As always there's no official information from our airlines, similar to AM B777's/or the second batch for new B737s (which was announced way off late).... and many more

As you mention, no official information, which is why I rely on your posts to keep me updated, thank you  Smile A question if I may, even if OT, which batch of 737s are the second?

Thanks and Regards

PANAM DC10

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Alitalia744
Posted 2005-04-26 19:13:16 and read 21342 times.

bet they're from Air Canada as they put the Airbii widebodies out to pasture...

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Rojo
Posted 2005-04-26 19:13:15 and read 21342 times.

What is Mexicana trying to do? Self destruct!!! Ohh, wait, they have been doing that for years. Thinking of getting a couple of A340’s will only hurt its cost structure, since they have not developed any market that could support that airplane.

The facts are: CINTRA holds a monopoly of the Mexican skies and it has not made a profit in the last 4 years… The only good (financial) news in those 4 years has been the money paid back to AM and MX by SENEAM thanks to an “Amparo” which made their financial statement look "not that bad". AM and MX are still operating in red numbers, facing tough competition and losing market share.

I can see the requirement for the A330 to operate the MEX-EZE route and maybe a new route, but the A340-500??? Even the A340 will be too much for MX. This happens when you give the management of an airline to our beloved government… I can picture them saying: “lets get new airplanes and start flying intercontinental, that might increase the market value of our airline”.

Mexicana needs to concentrate in its strongest market (Mexico – USA) and start developing new markets (Mexico – South and Central America or Mexico - Canada) with the resources they have (airplanes in its current fleet) and by not jeopardizing tons of money in those ventures. That will allow them to pull from the market if it is not profitable (take the MDW venture for example).

Hope the A340-500 never materialize...

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: AlitaliaMD11
Posted 2005-04-26 19:28:40 and read 21278 times.

I would say that the A340-500s are just coming out of Air Canada. They have two A340-500s and are retiring them from their fleet soon for the arrival of their new 777s.

Singapore Airlines hasn't yet ordered the 777-200LR yet so they might keep their A340-500s.



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MX also might be reciving the A330s from AC or even if they where going to get A340-300s they also might come from AC.


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What we haven't thought about is how horrible the new Mexicana livery will look on a bigger plane like a A340 or A330!!!


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Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: PyroGX41487
Posted 2005-04-26 20:21:11 and read 20995 times.

Expect many of the lessor owner A345 will be coming out of Air Canada (and SQ too!!) as most as they transition to the 772LR and 787's

It won't be SQ because they recently announced they weren't in the market for ULH Aircraft.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: NAVEGA
Posted 2005-04-26 20:27:05 and read 20915 times.

ROJO,

What drama, be happy that your country has an airline that is making money
when most of the others in the Western Hemisphere are loosing. Concentrate
on the positive side and be happy.

I think that what is happening at Mexicana is long overdue and that it is
a great move for a Mexican Airlines which is one of the oldest flying airlines
in the world.

Good news for Mexicana and I hope they get the best and biggest fleet
in the world.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: FXMD11
Posted 2005-04-26 20:37:55 and read 20796 times.

Thailand? Considering that we have a very limited trade (0.38% compared to other countries) between these 2 countries, except for some automotive business, I do not see this route coming trough unless BKK becomes a leg out of TYO once a week or so. Thais are not eager to visit Mexico and prefer rather the US. I have seen so many airlines coming and going to in BKK
(SA)">DL,CO,CP,RG,SA,TO,LO,OK etc) All were very ambitous but after a year or so, they terminated their services. The Thai Market is very unique and no, I am not a pessimist but this just doesnt fit.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2005-04-26 20:40:31 and read 20744 times.

MX is not going to be receiving anything from AC in the near term.

AC operates no A330-200s, and they're not expecting their 772LRs for several more years.

An A340-500 should have no need to stop from MEX to make NRT nonstop. BKK or SIN, possibly.

N

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Airbazar
Posted 2005-04-26 20:44:48 and read 20685 times.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 15):
I can see the requirement for the A330 to operate the MEX-EZE route and maybe a new route, but the A340-500??? Even the A340 will be too much for MX. This happens when you give the management of an airline to our beloved government… I can picture them saying: “lets get new airplanes and start flying intercontinental, that might increase the market value of our airline”.

Problem is China and Japan are about to become huge trading partners so there will be the need to link both countries for business travelers. You can't do this with any aircraft smaller than the the A345, not until the 787 come out and a used A345 is as cheap as you can get. I think MX has the right idea.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Rojo
Posted 2005-04-26 20:44:59 and read 20681 times.

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 18):
What drama, be happy that your country has an airline that is making money
when most of the others in the Western Hemisphere are loosing. Concentrate
on the positive side and be happy.

I am happy that my country has an airline that is making money and I am happy that the name of the only airline making money is AVIACSA...  thumbsup 

And it is not a drama, it is the reality you can't see being far away from Mexico...

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Jmc1975
Posted 2005-04-26 20:45:37 and read 20674 times.

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 7):
MEX-NRT is only about 6100nm!

I can certainly appreciate the hot n high conditions at MEX. But you're telling me that an A345 can't make even _that_ distance? According to the published specs on airbus.com, that would be 2900nm under the plane's max range.

The physical range is not the issue. The hot and high conditions at MEX would pose a challenge for any aircraft flying nonstop to Asia. They would be subject to significant pax and payload restrictions. On the other hand, a MEX-TIJ-NRT route on AM's 777 would be quite feasible. Without seeing or knowing the official numbers, I would imagine TIJ would have the most pax/cargo demand from Asia than any other Mexican city besides MEX.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: NAVEGA
Posted 2005-04-26 20:51:02 and read 20588 times.

Rojo now I know why all the negativeness against Mexicana and Aeromexico.

Your not being honest your being DRAMATIC.

Your posts will no longer be read by me as they have no basis now.

Thanks for letting us all know.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Mexicana757
Posted 2005-04-26 22:22:03 and read 19766 times.

Congratulations to Mexicana for getting the A340-500s.  bouncy  And I also think that those A340s are going to come from AC or SQ. Where ever they're coming from (A340s) MX is taking giant steps. I wish MX the best whatever plans they have for the future.  praise 

I would have preferred to see MX go to Europe, like London or FRA. The Mexico-Europe market is big and both AM and MX can serve it.

I think Thailand will be served through either Japan or China.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: AM001
Posted 2005-04-26 23:33:31 and read 19125 times.

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 24):

Your posts will no longer be read by me as they have no basis now.

(please insert here your favorite robot voice):
... and your life system will be terminated, after any trace of you and/or your un-based and cold, cruel posts will also be deleted from my memory...

Pleeez... don't be that childish... try to read and write facts, and not only sentimental stuff like "I wish I was a MX pilot", or "I wish MX to have the biggest and most beautiful fleet in the whole universe"... airliners here in Mexico and in the whole world (maybe also this galaxy) need reasonable and strategic growth and planning, and not just a magic lamp's genie to make money... which is apparently what our Cintra fellow are thinking... it's just common wisdom...

Rgds...

AM001

P.S.: Please note this is NOT a pro-AM post... so don't start throwing rotten eggs to me....

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Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Mike1974
Posted 2005-04-26 23:37:13 and read 19072 times.

Has MX considered other Asian destinations besides Thailand? Maybe Hong Kong or South Korea or even Taiwan? I gotta agree if the market for a MEX-Thailand is there. But then like Mex757 said, it could be served through either Japan or China. Also, i wish MX could upgrade its new color scheme by the time the widebodies arrive.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-04-26 23:59:03 and read 18890 times.

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 18):
What drama, be happy that your country has an airline that is making money
when most of the others in the Western Hemisphere are loosing. Concentrate
on the positive side and be happy.

Yep, lot of changes in MX, indeed, the Asia market will grow, also, as MX Cargo will be back, the planes will be full of it, and cargo market for asia is a really good one.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 22):
I am happy that the name of the only airline making money is AVIACSA...

Actually not, MX is also making money (the A318´s are really better than the expected), just some numbers:
MX profit in the first 3 months of the year: $3.4 million USD

AM loose in the firts 3 months of the year: $118 million USD (a lot of money)

Despite a lot of bad decisions, some are really good ones, for example, the replace of the 767 with A330´s, that´s a lot of savings just in crew training, and MX have some experience with big airplanes, just remember, MX does some maintenance to LH planes, and don´t forget that MX time ago had several DC-10´s.

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 1):
Any idea where the 345's will come from?

If not SQ, expect to be brand new  biggrin 

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
As some people have told APM Group, A340's will be introduced sometime near June and July of 2006.

The first one is expected to arrive in june (if nothing hapens).

MX VAMOS POR TODO.....! ! !

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2005-04-27 00:17:47 and read 18755 times.

Actually, if MX can get Airbus to put in to the Trent 556 engine on the A340-500, then MEX-NRT on a full-load year-round is definitely possible.  Smile The extra thrust of the Trent 556 (as opposed to the Trent 553 used on the A345) could make it easier for the hot and high takeoffs from MEX.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: PDXtriple7
Posted 2005-04-27 00:50:27 and read 18521 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 3):
They are studying the possibility of flying from MEX via SJD (Los Cabos) or TIJ-Asia.

Is there actually any possibly of MEX-Asia flights operating through SJD (Los Cabos)? Is the runway there long enough? I go there for spring break every year, and it would be awesome to see a 340-500 up close on the tarmac there!

pdxtriple7

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Rojo
Posted 2005-04-27 01:50:08 and read 18153 times.

Quoting N405MX (Reply 28):
Actually not, MX is also making money (the A318´s are really better than the expected), just some numbers:
MX profit in the first 3 months of the year: $3.4 million USD

AM loose in the firts 3 months of the year: $118 million USD (a lot of money)

In fact, MX has been improving its numbers, but they still have lots of problems and competition is increasing. Load factors are terrible (around 64% for 2004) which they compensate with high fares thanks to the monopolistic strategy started by CINTRA to kill competition (codeshare with AM). Most of the domestic market is served in a monopolistic way where AM and MX share flights to almost all destinations. That gives both airlines the power to keep their market share and increase fares. When the CFC suspends the codeshare between this two airlines, fares will drop and both airlines will see their income nose dive. It is clear that the government is not playing fair by allowing CINTRA to be a TELMEX in the airline industry. Lets see who wants to invest money in two companies with high operating costs and about to face a fare war. Better, I will like to see who will buy MX and AM as separate companies... and if you add the possible venture of MX into Asia, uuupps.

Finally, please remember that MX and AM numbers need to be consolidated, since they are owned by the same holding company (which is a public company with stock trading in the BMV). Owners don't care about who is making money, they care about the profit/loss of the company. And if they can not make money with a monopolistic codeshare agreement, how will they be able to make money without it...

Quoting N405MX (Reply 28):
Despite a lot of bad decisions, some are really good ones, for example, the replace of the 767 with A330´s, that´s a lot of savings just in crew training, and MX have some experience with big airplanes, just remember, MX does some maintenance to LH planes, and don´t forget that MX time ago had several DC-10´s.

I never said that the A330 was a bad decision:

Quote: "I can see the requirement for the A330 to operate the MEX-EZE route and maybe a new route, but the A340-500???"

The A330 is indeed a good decision which comes after the development of the MEX-EZE route with a leased (short term) B767-300. MX knows that the B767 is not making money anymore on the EZE route since AR lowered the fares when they started flying a couple of months ago. Yields have gone down thanks to the configuration of the airplane, which has too many J seats. MX needs to reduce J capacity and increase Y but can not do it thanks to a clause in the lease agreement which prevents them from changing the configuration of the airplane. To cope with that, the A330 is a good solution. About maintenance, it is not about having experience with big airplanes, it is about economies of scale. A fleet of two widebody aircraft could result in big expenses. If you add to that the A340, which has different engines, I can bet MX will need to spend lots of money in spare parts for their mix of engines.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2005-04-27 02:07:18 and read 18023 times.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 29):
Actually, if MX can get Airbus to put in to the Trent 556 engine on the A340-500, then MEX-NRT on a full-load year-round is definitely possible

Already available for order.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 31):
If you add to that the A340, which has different engines, I can bet MX will need to spend lots of money in spare parts for their mix of engines.

That really depends. The Trent 700 and the Trent 500 have a very, very large amount of commonality. If they get Trent 700s on their 332s, then they will enjoy some scale.

N

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Rojo
Posted 2005-04-27 02:25:09 and read 17903 times.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 32):
That really depends. The Trent 700 and the Trent 500 have a very, very large amount of commonality. If they get Trent 700s on their 332s, then they will enjoy some scale.

Hope they do it, since MX likes the idea of getting their planes with totally different engines: take for example the A318/A319/A320 fleet, they have a mix of CFM's and IAE's.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: FA4AM
Posted 2005-04-27 05:16:49 and read 17015 times.

Quoting N405MX (Reply 28):
Actually not, MX is also making money (the A318´s are really better than the expected), just some numbers:
MX profit in the first 3 months of the year: $3.4 million USD

AM loose in the firts 3 months of the year: $118 million USD (a lot of money)

Hi N405MX. Sorry to ask, but where are you getting your figures from?

There has long been a debate whether one airline is making money over the other one. I've been trying to do my homework looking for financial information on each airline besides the CINTRA's reports posted on their webpage.

It would be much help for me if you could tell me how to get that information , I really need to know for good if we are really going that bad (I mean AM)  banghead 

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Fly727
Posted 2005-04-27 05:46:52 and read 16850 times.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 22):
I am happy that my country has an airline that is making money and I am happy that the name of the only airline making money is AVIACSA...

Ohhhh yeah Baby.

I'm actually happy for Mexicana. Rojo mentioned it was risky;probably right, but bottomline besides horrible marketing management it's good to see MX is doing something for a change.

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 24):
Your posts will no longer be read by me as they have no basis now



RM  Smile

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: JoseMEX
Posted 2005-04-27 06:42:32 and read 16674 times.

While I basically agree with Rojo, I am glad to see one of our mainline carriers (MX in this case) trying something new, for a change. I really hope they have done their numbers and know what they're doing.

Let's just pray that whoever's making the decision for opening the routes to Asia and getting 345's is not the same guy who picked MX's new color scheme. 

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 24):
Your posts will no longer be read by me as they have no basis now.

¡Lo que hay que oír!.  

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Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Carpethead
Posted 2005-04-27 07:11:05 and read 16622 times.

As much as I would love to see an MX aircraft into NRT, it will not be allowed into NRT due to the slots conditions. Perhaps NGO or KIX is a good alternative. If MX is allowed slots into NRT, then expect EK and other airlines to make a big ruckus.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Aviasian
Posted 2005-04-27 09:43:34 and read 16505 times.

FXMD11 : You are spot-on about the potential (or lack of potential) for significant travel between Thailand and Mexico.

Of the 10,082,109 visitors to Thailand in 2003, 679,210 came from the Americas (meaning both North and South America). Of these, 137,963 came from Canada, 514,863 from USA, 2,348 from Argentina, 6,784 from Brazil and other countries from the Americas contributed the rest. Mexico's contribution is too minor to even track (according to statistics provided to PATA by the Tourism Authority of Thailand).

Mexico's contribution of international visitors arrival into Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia were similar no significant enough to be tracked individually. It is interesting to note however, that 11,173 Mexicans travel to Hong Kong of which 7,103 arrived by air.

Elsewhere, Mexican arrivals to these destinations are as follows:

11,173 to China (7,103 by air)
1,222 to Chinese Taipei
11,087 to Japan3,776 to South Korea
809 to Macau (16 by air)
2,679 to New Zealand

For any Mexicana flights beyond Japan to be viable, the airline would certainly have to rely on 5th Freedon traffic beyond Japan (or any other intermediate point) to its final destination in North / Southeast / South Asia.

KC Sim
Bangkok

A further 1,222 Mexicans arrived in Chinese Taipei in 2003

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: SR117
Posted 2005-04-27 10:26:10 and read 16451 times.

Well I wouldn't bet on the Thailand thing, it's been said that Asia is in their plans but no real specific route has been mentioned, it was probably just a consideration but as others have mentioned here, the materialization of any route to Thailand is quite iffy really. Japan and China sound like sure fire destinations, maybe not NRT because of slot restrictions, but perhaps that new Chubu airport, or Shangai and Hong Kong.

Is it risky, yes ! But really.. who would have guessed that Lan Chile would be flying to AKL and SYD? Airlines have to take risks sometimes, and Japan and China are good choices when think of future growth oportunities, so it seems like a well calculated one. MX could capitalize on carrying traffic from South America that does not want or cannot transit through the US. Could they not continue codesharing with AM so they could feed the Asia flights with their Southamerican network? I am not sure there has been anything said about prohibiting codesharing between the two in the future. And really, after 2006 it's anyone's guess what tune the CFC will be dancing to.

Scary to see those results for the first trimester BTW! Especially AM's. But really.. it's constantly mentioned how badly run both airlines are, how managers they can't tell the difference between a square and a circle, blah blah blah. So really, by the same measure, with competent hands both should do much better. AM and MX have not so different cost structures, so management is certainly to blame for AM's crappy results. I have full faith that someone can turn things around and improve both airlines results. Will there be lots of competition soon? Sure there will, but how many of them will survive? Not many !

Best of luck to MX

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Mike1974
Posted 2005-04-27 11:38:04 and read 16403 times.

thanks for those figures there Aviasian. Interesting facts there and like it was mentioned earlier alot of airlines didnt have a market in Thailand or are having a hard time filling those planes. Wow, didint realize how many Mexicans visited Hong Kong and Japan and to some extent China. Wonder what the numbers are the other way around. How many Asian visitors does MEX get every year? Would appreciate those numbers if anyone has them handy. Well MX is taking a high risk but can turn into great rewards in the future. I remember reading on an Asian newspaper about both Chile and Mexico negotiation with Hong Kong about starting direct flights to and from both countries. Wonder what happened with that? Anyone know?

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: AM001
Posted 2005-04-27 17:55:22 and read 16182 times.

Quoting Aviasian (Reply 38):
Mexico's contribution of international visitors arrival into Malaysia, Singapore and Indonesia were similar no significant enough to be tracked individually.



Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 40):
Well MX is taking a high risk but can turn into great rewards in the future.

By what I've been reading, MX is surely making a heavy bet on the Asia issue... I would have considered Australia a better market... anyway, I really, really hope this works fine... but I guess we'll just have to sit, wait and see...

In any case, is there any contingency plan for the A340's in case the Asian routes turn out to be a failure? what will be the leasing terms? any other possible (real, not "happy-land" thoughts) routes in which this particularly ER equipment could be used, and currently being studied?

I just don't imagine a 340 filled with ethnic passage en route from MEX to LAX... and for the only actual long haul route there is right now (I mean, EZE), yield and range are greatly covered with the 330... right??? I mean, there is a possibility that the new babies could turn into white elephants...

Regards to all...

AM001

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-04-27 18:07:20 and read 16146 times.

Quoting FA4AM (Reply 34):
Hi N405MX. Sorry to ask, but where are you getting your figures from?

Those numbers where given by CINTRA, they´ll post them later.

Also the numbers of AM last year where $135 million USD net loose, and that number I got it from AM´s system, they posted in their check-in system.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 31):
but they still have lots of problems and competition is increasing. Load factors are terrible (around 64% for 2004) which they compensate with high fares thanks to the monopolistic strategy started by CINTRA to kill competition (codeshare with AM).

MX load factor to make money is about 55%, AM load factor is about 75% to make money, huge difference. Also, CINTRA wanted to save AM, and disapear MX, even inside of CINTRA, MX have to take care of competition and CINTRA itself.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 31):
Lets see who wants to invest money in two companies with high operating costs and about to face a fare war. Better, I will like to see who will buy MX and AM as separate companies...

Like said in some other threads, lot´s of people interested in MX (because is profitable), just some names..... Slim, Azcárraga, and the ones of Grupo Modelo.....

Quoting Rojo (Reply 31):
When the CFC suspends the codeshare between this two airlines, fares will drop and both airlines will see their income nose dive.

You´re right, with no codeshare the fare war will increase, even with the codeshare there are a lot of trouble, because AM/5D don´t take some MX/QA fares, because some of them are really low.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 31):
Finally, please remember that MX and AM numbers need to be consolidated, since they are owned by the same holding company (which is a public company with stock trading in the BMV). Owners don't care about who is making money, they care about the profit/loss of the company. And if they can not make money with a monopolistic codeshare agreement, how will they be able to make money without it...

The codeshare in fact was to save AM, that´s why they pull out MX from some destinations, in fact it helped both, when the codeshare ends, this is going to be very interesting, and in october when the airlines got sold, we will see.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 31):
To cope with that, the A330 is a good solution. About maintenance, it is not about having experience with big airplanes, it is about economies of scale. A fleet of two widebody aircraft could result in big expenses. If you add to that the A340, which has different engines, I can bet MX will need to spend lots of money in spare parts for their mix of engines.

Good point (the good idea will be choose the A330 with RR engines like the ones of the A340, to keep costs down, in this point I agree with Gigneil) about the economies of scale, having a single 767 is becoming a headache, because of the spares, crew training, etc, and because is not as similar to the 757 like the buses are (A318/19/20-330/40)

The A340-500 is a good idea, because it´s a new plane (even used) and because of it´s range; the A343 is almost out of production line, so taking care of it (maintenance) will be a little bit tricky.

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 40):
Well MX is taking a high risk but can turn into great rewards in the future. I remember reading on an Asian newspaper about both Chile and Mexico negotiation with Hong Kong about starting direct flights to and from both countries. Wonder what happened with that? Anyone know?

You´re right, high risk with big rewards in the future (if everything goes like planned)

MX already got the route granted, only need the plane.....  expressionless 

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 37):
As much as I would love to see an MX aircraft into NRT, it will not be allowed into NRT due to the slots conditions.

How about Osaka ?  biggrin 

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Mike1974
Posted 2005-04-27 18:13:15 and read 16128 times.

MX may start out in the red if it does give the Asian routes a "go" but i think they wull be fine. The market for China is definitely there. I can even see Air China and/or China Southern sending its own metal to MEX. Japan is another strong market candidate but like it was said, MX may find hard to acquire slots at NRT. Hong Kong can become profitable along with Taiwan and even Singapore. Im sure MX officials and Cintra have thought it through. In regard to destinations in Oceania (Australia and New Zealand) it may work but the chances for a more profitable return in the long term may be in Asia. China and i think Hong Kong have approved Mexico as a tourist destination and Mexico has waived visa requirements for Hong Kong visitors. So steps are being made for this to come true and become succesfull.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Mike1974
Posted 2005-04-27 18:28:57 and read 16070 times.

thanks for the info N405. Good to see MX got the route granted. So im sure Hong Kong is one of the destinations being considered when it tought about getting the 340s. Wasnt MX and CX (Cathay Pacific code right?) in negotations to codeshare flights to and from both countries also? Correct me if im wrong on that. Anyways, that would be sweet to finally see MX metal in Asia!

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Xa744
Posted 2005-04-27 21:20:23 and read 15913 times.

Fellows, long time no see.

I believe Rojo, FXMD11 and Aviasian have a point.

Appended bellow please find my two Mexican cents in contribution to the topic.

MEX-SJD-NRT/NGO/KIX has a strong potential. There is a market niche that could be gradually developed in the years to come. Lots of money for marketing and promotion would be needed from both the airline and government, in order to position Mexico´s Baja Peninsula as an attractive destination in the Japanese market. It needs to be be mentioned that Japanese travelers always react in a sensitive manner to bad publicity given to tourist destinations. Mexico, we know that, is nowadays getting not very nice comments in the media around the world, and that represents a real blow to projects and dreams.

MEX-TIJ-NRT/KIX could be developed mainly as a business market and as an alternative to current operations by JL ex MEX. If actually additional capacity is needed between Mexico and Japan, then Mexicana could fill the gap. The development of a joint operation or ample code share agreement between JL/MX could be explored and implemented. Mexicana can´t just afford to bleed on such a costly venture and operation from the very beginning. Maximum caution needs to be taken.

MAX-CHINA ( PEK/SHA) not viable at the moment. Again, lots of money, time and cash would need to be put in the Chinese market to create awareness and interest in visiting Mexico. Business wise, Mexico is becoming an interesting market for the Chinese, but we can´t see the same happening to Mexican entrepreneurs in China. An aggressive codeshare operation by MX on CX or MU metal would sound more down to earth.

MEX-BKK does not even need to be discussed. There is no market at all in any way.

Best regards to you all.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: MGA
Posted 2005-04-28 01:30:44 and read 15737 times.

Doesnt the 346 cost less, have the range and carry more people ? Why dont they just go for that? Isnt it cheaper to operate?

MGA

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2005-04-28 01:33:32 and read 15725 times.

No, no, and yes. And because they need range and field performance not seats. And yes, but only if you fill up those extra seats with high-yield traffic.

The 346 is not the right plane for MX to fly to Asia. Europe, sure.

N

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2005-04-28 07:15:52 and read 15562 times.

Ok, here I go!

Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 6):
Is MX going to have a real first class now? Or is it going to be same old "Clase Ejecutiva" all the way to Asia?

Hopefully they get one! Being the Asian market a high yield one I’m sure they will!

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 7):
I can certainly appreciate the hot n high conditions at MEX. But you're telling me that an A345 can't make even _that_ distance?

Yes, in theory A345 has the range and can make it! But it can’t! Being MEX hot and high won’t let the A345 perform as if it was at sea level. For instance, there wouldn’t be a problem if MEX decides to fly Asia-MEX but the other way round it’s impossible! Even AeroMexico will suffer with their new B777s which will be powered with GE90-94B in the MEX-MAD/CDG flights during the summer. B777s will have restrictions when flying out from MEX.

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 9):
Awesome news for MX!!! Finally both AM and MX will have widebodies! Just a question about the routes to Asia; anyone know if any Asian carriers will introduce service to MEX? Airlines like Cathay, Air China, China Airlines, China Southern, etc.

Impossible unless the Canadian government allows a Chinese carrier to do something similar to what JL is doing at the moment, which I highly doubt, or else, let them fly via Mexican territory which I also doubt since recently there’s been a protectionist policy for our carriers and 5th freedom rights in Mexican land.

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 13):
As you mention, no official information, which is why I rely on your posts to keep me updated, thank you A question if I may, even if OT, which batch of 737s are the second?

You’re welcome. Second batch are the 10 new B737-700W are due for delivery next June to December plus 2 SH frames.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 15):
What is Mexicana trying to do? Self destruct!!!

Maybe! All I see is everything oriented and business related to the sale of CINTRA. I see they are trying to make both airlines a little more interesting with the arrival of wide bodies and new routes.


Quoting Rojo (Reply 22):
I am happy that my country has an airline that is making money and I am happy that the name of the only airline making money is AVIACSA...

Yay! I’m also very happy for them! Can’t wait to see their special 15 anniversary c/s! Despite B733/735s have been delayed a few months I’m sure sooner or later they’ll get here.

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 23):
The physical range is not the issue. The hot and high conditions at MEX would pose a challenge for any aircraft flying nonstop to Asia. They would be subject to significant pax and payload restrictions.

No expert on A345 engines and performance but that’s the main reason. Almost if not all aircraft are always restricted and things get worst during the summer.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 25):
I would have preferred to see MX go to Europe, like London or FRA. The Mexico-Europe market is big and both AM and MX can serve it.

Don’t discard the possibility. I don’t see AM having plans in the short term for a European expansion. LH recently reduced frequencies and the W.C. 2006 it’s on the next corner. They will have a free A332 and they could even open both destinations flying 6X to LGW with B763 6X to FRA with A332! I’m sure they’ll keep their sole B767 until the contract signed with SK expires next Dec 06.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 25):
I think Thailand will be served through either Japan or China.



Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 27):
Has MX considered other Asian destinations besides Thailand?

Correct, rumors say MX will fly to Thai through either Japan or China! As for the destinations, MX has intentions to land in PVG/KIX/BKK and other routes, not exactly Asia but SYD/AKL are also planned [don’t know exactly when, but they are considered] and being served as one destination making use the free open skies policy.

Quoting PDXtriple7 (Reply 30):
Is there actually any possibly of MEX-Asia flights operating through SJD (Los Cabos)? Is the runway there long enough?

Runway it’s not an issue, but tarmac and taxiways will be unless they get prepared for those dates. So far TIJ has been the only one building taxiways and improving the airport facilities.

Quoting Aviasian (Reply 38):
Elsewhere, Mexican arrivals to these destinations are as follows:

11,173 to China (7,103 by air)
01,222 to Chinese Taipei
11,087 to Japan
03,776 to South Korea
00,809 to Macau (16 by air)
02,679 to New Zealand
Total:



Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 40):
Wonder what the numbers are the other way around. How many Asian visitors does MEX get every year?

A few more stats:

Total passengers arriving from Asia with JL:

2000: 22,000
2001: 26,000
2002: 32,000
2003: 33,000

Certainly there’s a lot of market to steal from JL and us carriers in the next years to come!


****
Finally, it’s been said that we will tomorrow have official news from the airline. Dunno if it will be related to this, but it’s been said there are very good news.


Ricardo APM

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N77014
Posted 2005-04-28 08:00:32 and read 15501 times.

Are we talking passenger or cargo flights here?

As pointed out earlier, mexican tourism to SE Asia is almost nil. There is nothing in the passenger figures to suppose a MEX-BKK city pair would survive past the planning stages.

As far as NRT, while the desire for something beyond a JL 1-stop is there, when asian carriers did serve MEX, the support fell through. MH provided B744 service as an LAX tag-on, and it died a quiet death.

Until the MEX market can prove that it can wholeheartedly support Asia-direct service, I'm afraid this idea is stillborn.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: AR385
Posted 2005-04-28 08:41:48 and read 15460 times.

At this point I believe wether it's A or B what they get, doesn't matter, they need to get into those markets as soon as possible

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N77014
Posted 2005-04-28 09:18:29 and read 15426 times.

QUOTE:At this point I believe wether it's A or B what they get, doesn't matter, they need to get into those markets as soon as possible



And to what end?

They (MX) seem to have given up trying to fend off an invasion of ERJ's from somewhere near Houston in their home market...what will acquiring ULH's to asian markets with dubious O/D prove?

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-04-28 15:59:59 and read 15292 times.

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 44):
Wasnt MX and CX (Cathay Pacific code right?

Right, MX and CX are already on that business.

Quoting Xa744 (Reply 45):
Again, lots of money, time and cash would need to be put in the Chinese market to create awareness and interest in visiting Mexico

Actually the support of the chinese goverment is better than the mexican (unfortunately for us), just an example, time ago a business man of GDL put a factory in China, because the cost of put it in GDL or other place in Mexico went roof high.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 48):
Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 6):
Is MX going to have a real first class now? Or is it going to be same old "Clase Ejecutiva" all the way to Asia?

Hopefully they get one! Being the Asian market a high yield one I’m sure they will!

Maybe the "Golden Aztec" (o Azteca de Oro) will be back, maybe not with that name.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Mexicana757
Posted 2005-04-28 16:59:43 and read 15219 times.

How is trade between Mexico and Japan and China? If Mexico has a great deal of trade between both countries, wouldn't cargo play a big role in wether the Mexico-Asia route would be a success. I don't know how much cargo a A340-500 can hold, I think it would be less than A330-300.

Quoting N405MX (Reply 42):
Like said in some other threads, lot´s of people interested in MX (because is profitable), just some names..... Slim, Azcárraga, and the ones of Grupo Modelo.....

When you say Azcarraga, is this the guy that owns Televisa?

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-04-28 18:25:30 and read 15134 times.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 53):
When you say Azcarraga, is this the guy that owns Televisa?

Yep, the same one.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 53):
If Mexico has a great deal of trade between both countries, wouldn't cargo play a big role in wether the Mexico-Asia route would be a success.

Exaaaaaaaaaaaacto...... (exactly Big grin )

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Rojo
Posted 2005-04-28 18:51:48 and read 15089 times.

Quoting N405MX (Reply 42):
Like said in some other threads, lot´s of people interested in MX (because is profitable), just some names..... Slim, Azcárraga, and the ones of Grupo Modelo.....

MX is getting closer to breakeven point... and last year the money paid back by SENEAM helped a lot.

Quoting N405MX (Reply 42):
The codeshare in fact was to save AM, that´s why they pull out MX from some destinations, in fact it helped both, when the codeshare ends, this is going to be very interesting, and in october when the airlines got sold, we will see.

The codeshare was established to save both airlines, not AM only. MX left some destinations because they were not profitable and had too much competition from the dominant carrier (in this case AM). If the codeshare is dropped, what will MX do?? stop flying all non profitable routes and lose market share?? A fare war will start and MX's balance sheet will be hurt.

It is obvious that the codeshare and the realignment of routes was created to sell AM and MX in good financial standing. Come on, it is almost impossible not to make money when you hold a monopoly!!! But will it be the same if you brake the monopoly in two and start competing against each other??

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2005-04-28 19:02:25 and read 15055 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 48):
Even AeroMexico will suffer with their new B777s which will be powered with GE90-94B in the MEX-MAD/CDG flights during the summer.

The A340-500 will feature less restrictions because it loses less engine power in the event of a failure.

This is similar to why EK selected the A340s.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 53):
I don't know how much cargo a A340-500 can hold, I think it would be less than A330-300.

Its a bit more in terms of volume, but obviously a whole lot more in uplift.

Why would you think less than a 333?

N

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Mexicana757
Posted 2005-04-28 22:48:24 and read 14941 times.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 56):
Why would you think less than a 333?

I was thinking less because the A345 would need to hold more fuel to fly farther, reducing cargo space on board. I was basically comparning both the A333 and A345 because they are almost similiar in size, but I know they serve different markets.

Im going to go off topic here. What will happen to Aeromexpress? Will it disappear once both AM and MX are sold or will be merged to one of the airlines.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: ConcordeBoy
Posted 2005-04-29 01:08:28 and read 14856 times.

Quoting PyroGX41487 (Reply 17):
It won't be SQ because they recently announced they weren't in the market for ULH Aircraft.

....only to be immediately contradicted by the CEO stating that the 772LR is an aircraft that they are "following with interest" and one which could "definitely find an application in the Singapore Airline industry"

Reported by:

Bloomberg
Yahoo News
A&S
ATW
Airwise News

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-04-29 07:11:11 and read 14685 times.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 55):
It is obvious that the codeshare and the realignment of routes was created to sell AM and MX in good financial standing. Come on, it is almost impossible not to make money when you hold a monopoly!!! But will it be the same if you brake the monopoly in two and start competing against each other??

Yep, you break the monopoly and start a war between all airlines, and we will see how these ends, because one was going to kill the other one, or the other ones.

Yes, the codeshare was to save both, and one left the dominating airline on some airports (not true at all, because AM don´t left many airports they should, so where is the "friendship" of this two??? ).

Let´s see how the sale goes in october.....

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Hamlet69
Posted 2005-04-29 09:49:55 and read 14611 times.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 56):
Its a bit more in terms of volume, but obviously a whole lot more in uplift.

Why would you think less than a 333?

Because according to Airbus, it is. The A330-300 has a total cargo volume of 5,751 cu. ft. The A340-500 has 5,435 cu. ft.

Regards,

Hamlet69

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Pictues
Posted 2005-04-29 11:08:48 and read 14567 times.

I have heard somewhere that They will be getting Air Canada's.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: BGOODAM
Posted 2005-04-29 21:11:11 and read 14418 times.

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 60):



Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 60):
Yep, you break the monopoly and start a war between all airlines, and we will see how these ends, because one was going to kill the other one, or the other ones.

Yes, the codeshare was to save both, and one left the dominating airline on some airports (not true at all, because AM don´t left many airports they should, so where is the "friendship" of this two??? ).

Let´s see how the sale goes in october.....

They sure did'nt kill each other before, N405MX talks about MX saving AM? Please, if anything AM has saved MX. In 1994-95 AM saved MX from BK and acquiered it's debt, in a way AM is still paying for that through labor concessions and write offs. Just look at MX labor cost compared to AM. As a whole Cintra has to scrape something from all airlines to mantain those labor costs. This is how it's been for years at MX, barely surviving at the expence of others. But, it makes sence, then we would loose our only airline with a history that we can call our own.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-04-30 02:42:46 and read 14262 times.

First of all, wellcome to the forums  wave 

Now your points:

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 62):
In 1994-95 AM saved MX from BK and acquiered it's debt, in a way AM is still paying for that through labor concessions and write offs. Just look at MX labor cost compared to AM.

Ok both saved themselves, about the labor cost, the income of AM personel is way higher than MX, so i don´t think that AM is paying the labor of MX, or even like some think, that MX is paying AM labor, also, the numbers don´t say that MX is barely surviving.

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 62):
But, it makes sence, then we would loose our only airline with a history that we can call our own.

Both airlines have a lot of history; but they seem to haven´t learned of it.  grumpy 

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Bgoodam
Posted 2005-04-30 18:39:49 and read 14071 times.

Quoting N405MX (Reply 63):
Ok both saved themselves,

Thanks for the welcome, first of all it is a fact that AM took control of MX, never has MX taken contol of AM, at least it is no recorded. Second MX has one of the thickest, oldest most expensive collective bargain contracts active right now, above the likes of United and Northwest airlines. For example, there are MX pilots and F/a's with 60, 80 day vacations, i am not including the pilots and f/a's that mx has pensioned and those that are about to, something AM and other Cintra airlines do not have. AM lost seniority and benefits to employees after 1988 which under a new name started from zero, something MX has not done and in my opinion has been saved because of it's long history. Now under todays aviation someones got to bear those costs, and it's not within Cintras board of directors or CEO's but the employees.

By the way were are you getting your numbers from, it would be nice to see you back up some numbers and info with a couple of facts.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-01 05:15:57 and read 13835 times.

Quoting Bgoodam (Reply 64):
most expensive collective bargain contracts active right now, above the likes of United and Northwest airlines. For example, there are MX pilots and F/a's with 60, 80 day vacations, i am not including the pilots and f/a's that mx has pensioned and those that are about to, something AM and other Cintra airlines do not have. AM lost seniority and benefits to employees after 1988 which under a new name started from zero,

You´re right, also because AM started from zero, and MX has been close to that, that´s why some changes have been made to evite that.

Quoting Bgoodam (Reply 64):
Now under todays aviation someones got to bear those costs, and it's not within Cintras board of directors or CEO's but the employees.

Yep, but some prefer to save 150 firing 1, than save 1 and fire 150.

Quoting Bgoodam (Reply 64):
By the way were are you getting your numbers from, it would be nice to see you back up some numbers and info with a couple of facts.

Numbers from:
CINTRA
Mexicana de Aviación
Aeroméxico.
El financiero
El Norte (The MTY version of Reforma).
And some other sources (a.net members included).

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: NAVEGA
Posted 2005-05-01 17:43:58 and read 13667 times.

I believe that once both airlines are away from CINTRA, that then and only then will we be able to see which airlines
is best run and has a better future.

Right now, CINTRA will not let any of the two airlines look
bad as they preparing them for sale.

I personally, think Mexicana is best run and more in tune
with the current airline business structure to make it successfull on it's own. They have now made any bad growth desicions and have a lean employee base.

Lets see what happens when they are alone.

This will truly show who is the best run and who has a
continuous future.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: BGOODAM
Posted 2005-05-01 19:59:04 and read 13582 times.

Quoting N405MX (Reply 65):
Numbers from:
CINTRA
Mexicana de Aviación
Aeroméxico.
El financiero
El Norte (The MTY version of Reforma).
And some other sources (a.net members included).

It would be nice if you could direct us to some of these links because I don't seem to find ( and I read these papepers and these web pages ) any info, individually for these airlines.

Let me correct myself :

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 62):
In 1994-95 AM saved MX from BK and acquiered it's debt


It was 1993 that this happened and then came the banks, and then private investement and then in 1995 came Cintra. So it's not about who's going to survive, I think they both will, but one has survived more at the expence of others. Now these are fact statements, no need to direct you to any links, I could blurr out a couple of newspapers or what not, but that's not my style, now we do need a little more info on your numbers in order to stand corrected on my perception that you tend to lean towards MX and want them desperatly to succeed.

Now for some fun:
This is how some in the aviation industry see it regarding the sale:

Say you have two daughters, but ones not that very good looking and the other one is. You don't have a problem with the better looking one to find a boyfriend and get married, but the other one you do. So, what do you do? You do everything possible to deress her up ( A-320's fast) put make up on her ( new paint job ) and take her out ( the haunt for investors at max speed)..................... Just some fun.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: BGOODAM
Posted 2005-05-02 02:45:20 and read 13431 times.

Quoting N405MX (Reply 65):
Yep, but some prefer to save 150 firing 1, than save 1 and fire 150.

Im not sure i understood that one, but here it goes. Does'nt MX have about 110 pilots on the street right now, in contrast to AM that has everyone on property right now?

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Latinplane
Posted 2005-05-02 06:58:39 and read 13297 times.

BGOODAM:

Welcome to the forum!

That was a very funny and interesting analogy you made.  rotfl  You can also use Paulina Rubio and Thalia's recent career status and record sales to denote Mexicana and AeroMexico. Which one is Paulina Rubio; AeroMexico or Mexicana?  biggrin 

 Smile LatinPlane

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Fly727
Posted 2005-05-02 07:36:52 and read 13275 times.

Quoting NAVEGA (Reply 66):
I believe that once both airlines are away from CINTRA, that then and only then will we be able to see which airlines
is best run and has a better future

You got that right dude. It is hard to determine that now. Unfortunately they are currently supported by us taxpayers; let's see how they turn out to be by themselves.

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 68):
Im not sure i understood that one, but here it goes. Does'nt MX have about 110 pilots on the street right now, in contrast to AM that has everyone on property right now?

I think they just re-hired a bunch of 12 out of +80? (exactly a year ago), but will again be exceeded as they continue transferring their Fokkers to Aerocaribe/Click. True that they continue bringing more Airbuses but not sure if as many as 10 -F100s once in MX's fleet-. (And don't argue on this, as I know that was one of last week's discussions down at the pilot's union).

I don't exactly think that means a lean employee base but I don't want to take sides now. I feel sorry for my unemployed colleagues and wish they have their jobs back soon.

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 67):
So, what do you do? You do everything possible to deress her up ( A-320's fast) put make up on her ( new paint job ) and take her out ( the haunt for investors at max speed)..................... Just some fun.

So.... CINTRA is some sort of inexperienced pimp, right?.  Wink

RM  Smile

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Theredbaron
Posted 2005-05-02 08:12:08 and read 13247 times.

AM never fires pilots due to unions and such...remember the stupid idiot that crashed an MD 3 years ago (overran the runway ended in a ditch struck a house and killed 2 in that house), and then almost made another write off 6 months later?, that idiot is still flying, and that is ONE of the reasons I NEVER fly AM....

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 67):
Say you have two daughters, but ones not that very good looking and the other one is. You don't have a problem with the better looking one to find a boyfriend and get married, but the other one you do. So, what do you do? You do everything possible to dress her up ( A-320's fast) put make up on her ( new paint job ) and take her out ( the haunt for investors at max speed)..................... Just some fun.

Then you learn that the good looking daughter you have, has no brain and married a money sucking lowlife, and then the real nightmare begins.....Just more fun...

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Fly727
Posted 2005-05-02 09:26:34 and read 13212 times.

Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 71):
AM never fires pilots due to unions and such...remember the stupid idiot that crashed an MD 3 years ago (overran the runway ended in a ditch struck a house and killed 2 in that house), and then almost made another write off 6 months later?, that idiot is still flying, and that is ONE of the reasons I NEVER fly AM....


  • As the evilish union which protects AeroMexico's pilots happens to be the same of Mexicana's, AeroCaribe's and Aeromar's, I guess that your options of air traveling within Mexico -if such exist- are drastically reduced. Nevertheless our domestic bus service is absolutely delightful and Grupo ADO will be happy to have you on board their Volvos.

  • That stupid idiot pilot encountered severe weather phenomena that caused the Reynosa accident (the area had been subject to heavy rainfall due to tropical storm 'Keith') and the Monterrey incident. On none of the occasions an MD was involved, but more precisely a DC-9-31 and a DC-9-32 in October 6th 2000 and October 31st 2002. Two years apart, and not 6 months.


Get your facts straight!

RM  sarcastic 

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Theredbaron
Posted 2005-05-02 15:52:41 and read 13104 times.

Thanks for correcting me.... now tell me if a pilot is not a stupid pilot if he crashes 2 airplanes and is still in flying??? or did you correct me also and told me that the STUPID IDIOT has been fired, now that you seem to get ALL your facts?
Thanks but if I dont have a choice to a route that Mexicana does not fly I try to go private....
The Union contracts are not the same..learn to read my friend...and then get your cintra facts straight.

as the saying goes..there are Bold Pilots, and there are Old pilots but NEVER OLD BOLD pilots...by the way, did you know that those dead in the ground had not the luxury of putting that guy in jail because of imprudential murder, as a car crash would do? quite a guy....Id love to hear the CVR for both accidents......

Now back to topic, I wonder if there is enough traffic to the lower asia part (Singapore etc etc), maybe MEX is getting there to see if there is enough traffic and in case it fails have a B plan, in the mean time I really hope they paint the new AC in the Golden Aztec colors of yore, because the n"new" darth Vader paint scheme is gasthly...

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-02 16:16:43 and read 13081 times.

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 67):
You do everything possible to deress her up ( A-320's fast) put make up on her ( new paint job ) and take her out

:D really funny, how about getting a lot of new 737´s (some of then not so new)....... (just to add more fun)

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 67):
It would be nice if you could direct us to some of these links because I don't seem to find

www.elnorte.com
www.reforma.com
www.elfinanciero.com.mx
www.cintra.com.mx (page not working when I made this post)

My other sources; just check some posts of Ghost77, Navega, Rojo, and you´ll find some of the info.

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 68):
Im not sure i understood that one, but here it goes. Does'nt MX have about 110 pilots on the street right now, in contrast to AM that has everyone on property right now?

Right again, MX fired 110 pilots to keep the others, also to lower costs, now who´s maintaining who..... ?  wink 

Quoting Fly727 (Reply 70):
You got that right dude. It is hard to determine that now. Unfortunately they are currently supported by us taxpayers; let's see how they turn out to be by themselves.

Agree.

Regards

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-02 20:06:28 and read 12937 times.

Here are some links, now working.....

http://www.cintra.com.mx/espanol/accionist/reptrim/am/trim051er.htm AM
http://www.cintra.com.mx/espanol/accionist/reptrim/mx/trim051er.htm MX

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: AM001
Posted 2005-05-02 20:43:46 and read 12880 times.

Quoting N405MX (Reply 75):
Here are some links, now working.....

http://www.cintra.com.mx/espanol/accionist/reptrim/am/trim051er.htm AM
http://www.cintra.com.mx/espanol/accionist/reptrim/mx/trim051er.htm MX



Quoting N405MX (Reply 28):
Actually not, MX is also making money (the A318´s are really better than the expected), just some numbers:
MX profit in the first 3 months of the year: $3.4 million USD

AM loose in the first 3 months of the year: $118 million USD (a lot of money)

Hey, considering your own posted info, I'd say, in the words of Tweety the bird: 'I thought I saw a foot-in-mouth'...

BTW... results in the 1Q of 2004 are not that different for both groups... considering they both lost a lot of money... it's just that MX had a faster recovery last year... a profit of 193 v.s. one of 180 is not that much... is it???

[Edited 2005-05-02 20:45:44]

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Rojo
Posted 2005-05-02 21:56:05 and read 12820 times.

If you take a closer look at the numbers, both airlines had a profit on Q105 (as I said in the meeting). The only problem is that only one had an operational profit.

MX got a small operational profit of $49.7 million MXP while AM got an operational loss of $126.7 million MXP. What helped both airlines in getting a net profit was a tax recovery which, as I said previously, is not part of their BAU (Business as usual)... First the money they got from SENEAM, then the Tax recovery... those one timers will not be there forever!!

Good luck to both AM and MX if the codeshare ends, since they will have a lot of trouble trying to make an operational profit...

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-02 22:08:45 and read 12792 times.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 77):
MX got a small operational profit of $49.7 million MXP while AM got an operational loss of $126.7 million MXP. What helped both airlines in getting a net profit was a tax recovery which, as I said previously, is not part of their BAU (Business as usual)... First the money they got from SENEAM, then the Tax recovery... those one timers will not be there forever!!

Rojo´s right, also JR made some money from that recovery from SENEAM, but like he said, that money won´t be there forever, as the codeshare ends, the battle will begin again.....  box 

Quoting Rojo (Reply 77):
Good luck to both AM and MX if the codeshare ends, since they will have a lot of trouble trying to make an operational profit...

Right again (like always  Smile ), that´s why the route re-organization, some labor cuts, fleet renewal, also, 5D (AM filial) is hiring their own staff to dispatch their aircraft, they are ending the work relationship with SEAT.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: DAYflyer
Posted 2005-05-02 22:11:30 and read 12779 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
later this year and 2 A340-500 in 2006 for China, Japan and Thailand!

Underperforming for the long haul.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Skyone
Posted 2005-05-02 22:16:02 and read 12763 times.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 77):
Good luck to both AM and MX if the codeshare ends, since they will have a lot of trouble trying to make an operational profit...

They have that problem now. It will be interesting to see the results of fair competition between airlines. Unless Mr. Slim buys both airlines and the Comision Federal de Competencia allows that move.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-02 22:50:16 and read 12720 times.

Quoting Skyone (Reply 80):
Unless Mr. Slim buys both airlines and the Comision Federal de Competencia allows that move.

It´s supossed to be not allowed (like so many other things.....)

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Adriaticus
Posted 2005-05-03 09:24:39 and read 12579 times.

Long time no see, friends...

Interesting exchanges, as usual when it comes to Mexican aviation and some of our fellow a.netters... What I come to find after some months of absence is this sounds less and less fun; posts are more and more harsh and uncourteous... AM vs. MX all over... Pointless...

Oh well, my two cents... Regardless of A340 or A345, Trents of this or that kind, 3.141592654 passengers per day, etc... Very few people seem to have noticed the other driver of a route...Cargo... As someone may have said, "It's the Cargo, stupid!!"

I was recently talking with a TA corporate officer and the pilots on a half-empty MEX-GUA flight (beautiful landing views from the jump seat). He was telling me, however, the cargo holds were full, and as far the company was concerned, every pax on board was just another cherry on top of the pie... In their own standards, the flight was profitable as it was. The same may go for Asia-Mexico flights... With the Long Beach cargo facilities so crowded as to allow Manzanillo to become a shortcut, go figure what a SHA-TIJ route can offer rather tha flying through LAX... And isn't it true that the Mexico-Japan Economic Complementation Treaty has just been enacted? Isn't this Treaty granting fast access to a large amount of perishable Mexican products, mostly edibles, to the Japanese market?

The MEX-TIJ/SJD-NRT/PEK/SHA route was discussed ad nauseam in its time, perhaps more as a "What if?" type of discussion, but the analysis has been there... I'm glad at least the river's noise (Mexicans will know this) signals the water is running. Ghost, two thumbs up... Keep the news coming!

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[Edited 2005-05-03 09:26:16]

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Rojo
Posted 2005-05-03 18:09:39 and read 12467 times.

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 82):
Oh well, my two cents... Regardless of A340 or A345, Trents of this or that kind, 3.141592654 passengers per day, etc... Very few people seem to have noticed the other driver of a route...Cargo... As someone may have said, "It's the Cargo, stupid!!"

If Cargo is the driver, then why don't they get a B767-300F / B747-400F / MD11F and start flying via ANC making a bigger profit (if there is a profit to be made). An empty passenger flight to Asia will lose money eventually, specially on a A340-500, which does not hold that much cargo. TA has at least 24 flights every week to SAL/GUA/SJO/LIM, some days they are full and other days they are not. Competition on the MEX-GUA route has been tough, specially when Tikal Jets, Taca and Mexicana were all flying the route. MX has too much capacity to GUA and thus, they hurt the only flight TA has, although not without hurting themselves. It is not a matter of sending an empty flight to Asia, it is a matter or viability and profits. MY could get rights for freighter flight to Japan and kill MX's venture. That will leave MX with a plane they can not use to other destinations easily and make a profit...

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-03 19:03:23 and read 12398 times.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 83):
That will leave MX with a plane they can not use to other destinations easily and make a profit...

Right again

The cargo business (like I said before) they want to put it back again in the manner of "MX Cargo"; the future of Aeromexpress will be decided also when the airlines get sold.

Also Asia is a great market for small cargo, what I mean, instead of a 767F, or an A300F, you can get passengers and cargo in other plane so you can handle that small packages, because the big ones are already flying (FedEx, UPS, etc.)

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 82):
Interesting exchanges, as usual when it comes to Mexican aviation and some of our fellow a.netters... What I come to find after some months of absence is this sounds less and less fun; posts are more and more harsh and uncourteous... AM vs. MX all over... Pointless...

Yep, this really was a "Discussion Forum"  tonghe 

BTW, wellcome back Adriaticus  wave 

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Adriaticus
Posted 2005-05-03 19:03:34 and read 12405 times.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 83):
If Cargo is the driver, then why don't they get a B767-300F / B747-400F / MD11F and start flying via ANC making a bigger profit (if there is a profit to be made).

That is exactly what FedEx does: From Asia, to ANC, to the U.S.A., to the rest of the world, using MD11F's and (ehem!) soon, A388F's. So, the formula has been proved right!

And, precisely, the old posts discussing cargo for these routes had mentioned a B747 Combi as a good option... A B767F is out of the question given the lenght of the routes... Notwithstanding, even when T7's would do great, A340's still have tremendous contenerizing capabilities in the bellies. Let's hope MX P&A department keeps cargo in mind upon developing these plans.

Regards,
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Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: BGOODAM
Posted 2005-05-03 19:04:50 and read 12390 times.

Out of all these posts ( and sorry Adriaticus if some upset you, youre always welcome to choose what posts to read and not read let me remind you that this is an open forum) this one is disturbing specially to most of us that love aviation:

Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 73):
now tell me if a pilot is not a stupid pilot if he crashes 2 airplanes and is still in flying??? or did you correct me also and told me that the STUPID IDIOT has been fired, now that you seem to get ALL your facts?

First of all he is not flying (the F.O. has returned) second, what qualifies you to call this pilot stupid? Have you ever flown a DC-9 ( not an md-3 )? Do you know how it operates under a contaminated runway (if you know what that means), with no automatic braking, short runway, reduced visibility and thunderstorms all around you. Have you EVER been in this situation? Probably not.
In the other incident it was determined that, the displaced threshold was not broadcasted in the ATIS information therefore he had or any other pilot no way of knowing how much the runway lenght had been reduced, that added to the same scenerio as the above contributed to the incident.
As I don´t want to be rude and upset members, i think the one that has to get his facts straight is you my friend, as the only thing I think you´re qualified for, is to sit in the back fasten your seat belt and enjoy the ride.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: BGOODAM
Posted 2005-05-03 19:36:57 and read 12359 times.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 77):
got a small operational profit of $49.7 million MXP while AM got an operational loss of $126.7 million MXP. What helped both airlines in getting a net profit was a tax recovery which, as I said previously, is not part of their BAU (Business as usual)... First the money they got from SENEAM, then the Tax recovery... those one timers will not be there forever!!

Good for MX if these numbers are for real, not just Cintra trying to make her look good. In all cases I would think given AM´s posture as a whole in the indusry, if you were to present both of the airlines to future investors with the same amount of profit, they would choose AM. This would not be a wise idea, so again the need to manipulate a couple of numbers within Cintra would seem the smart thing to do. Or it could be that once MX really starts paying for their Airbuses and the nice deals from Airbus expire, MX will have to look at other aircraft, like Jetblue did. Then we can take a look at more numbers.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 77):
Good luck to both AM and MX if the codeshare ends, since they will have a lot of trouble trying to make an operational profit...

Yes, good luck to both, I think they´ll do just fine.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-04 00:12:17 and read 12246 times.

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 86):
the displaced threshold was not broadcasted in the ATIS information therefore he had or any other pilot no way of knowing how much the runway lenght had been reduced

I wonder what the notams are for..........

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 87):
Or it could be that once MX really starts paying for their Airbuses and the nice deals from Airbus expire, MX will have to look at other aircraft, like Jetblue did.

With 2 A320´s to come and maybe 8 more A318´s i think MX got a really great deal with Airbus; about jetblue, I wonder why they´re still buying and receiveing A320´s with their junglejets.....

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 87):
Yes, good luck to both, I think they´ll do just fine.

Agree.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2005-05-04 02:56:17 and read 12147 times.

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 82):
Interesting exchanges, as usual when it comes to Mexican aviation and some of our fellow a.netters... What I come to find after some months of absence is this sounds less and less fun; posts are more and more harsh and uncourteous... AM vs. MX all over... Pointless...

Right, everything recently said it's absolutely pointless! Lets take this and other a.net mexican discussion to further points and cut the b....s! Everyone's free, certainly, but lets not turn this into an a vs. b or to the typical latin-related thread which this has come to.

We will NEVER get to a point to see who's better and who's worst. Lets put a rule, when threads header speaks of MX lets try to maintain the line and discuss MX, if thread speaks about AM lets try to keep the conversation within AM.

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 87):
Or it could be that once MX really starts paying for their Airbuses and the nice deals from Airbus expire, MX will have to look at other aircraft, like Jetblue did.

What? I have a list with information related to the owners of MX buses. FYI MX owns several planes and has also signed several lease agreements with different lessors and they are not buying any aircraft at the moment. There will be no need to get other aircraft for EXPANSION as JB did. A real problem for MX and CINTRA partners will be if a Tequila crisis attacks first.


Ricardo APM

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Adriaticus
Posted 2005-05-04 04:00:23 and read 12082 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 89):
A real problem for MX and CINTRA partners will be if a Tequila crisis attacks first.

Don't be surprised if AMLO runs for president... El Peje is surely a good way of scaring investors and visitors away... And I'm not talking only about airline investors...

Yes, I'm being prejudiced, but I just cannot like a guy who hasn't had a passport in almost 20 years - how much air traveling do you think he does Yeah sure ??? He and I just have nothing  no  in common to talk about...

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Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2005-05-04 04:27:26 and read 12045 times.

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 90):
Yes, I'm being prejudiced, but I just cannot like a guy who hasn't had a passport in almost 20 years - how much air traveling do you think he does??? He and I just have nothing in common to talk about...

If Peje runs for the elections.... uh, scary! Hopefully our friends from the north stop him!

You sure about his passport? I thought this moron haven't hold a passport in his hole life!

Ricardo APM

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: PPVRA
Posted 2005-05-04 04:41:29 and read 12023 times.

This thread needs some pics. Not a -500, but it's as close as it can be:

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00003647.jpg

Saludos,
PPVRA

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2005-05-04 04:45:18 and read 12014 times.

So two posts bashing this asshole and the authors have not gotten flamed... it bodes well for my comment, so I will say what I want to say: I hope he is run over by a truck (preferrably by a G-Class, a Range Rover or a Hummer in order for the irony to be perfect) over and over until there's no doubt he is dead and hopefully a dog will come and pee on his corpse before it's taken by an ambulance.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: JoseMEX
Posted 2005-05-04 04:57:27 and read 11986 times.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 93):
So two posts bashing this asshole

What *sshole are you referring too? AMLO or that other *ssh*le at the top who just last week got scared by all the acarreados (just like with the now-cancelled new MEX airport project) and gave in to political blackmail?

Just pathetic!

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-04 04:57:50 and read 11985 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 89):
and they are not buying any aircraft at the moment.

Unfortunately not buying right now, but going back to the topic, they´ll be leasing 2 A330´s and 2 A345´s  thumbsup 

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Adriaticus
Posted 2005-05-04 05:18:59 and read 11957 times.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 93):
and hopefully a dog will come and pee on his corpse before it's taken by an ambulance.

Eddie, a very fine tidbit of truly scatological humour, indeed...  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 91):
You sure about his passport? I thought this moron haven't hold a passport in his hole life!

Ghost, so I heard by someone who claims to know... But you know this must be taken with a pinch of salt when all he does is cheap political marketing. We just cannot trust him nor anything he says or is about.

Which takes me to... Does his "alternate nation project" cares for mentioning anything about airport / air transport development in this country? Has he even mentioned his views on the importance of air carriage as a key mean for social and commercial development, both domestic and international?

Worse, if for whatever reason CINTRA hasn't sold MX and AM and their subsidiaries, would he revert the decision, on the grounds of "safeguarding the poor peoples' interests"?

Thoughts to ponder, no doubt. I hope either AM or MX are in the hands of savvy owners well before the election day.

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Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: JoseMEX
Posted 2005-05-04 05:25:14 and read 11952 times.

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 96):
Does his "alternate nation project" cares for mentioning anything about airport / air transport development in this country?

Don't know about the airlines, but I'm pretty sure there'll be a lot of jobs for "aviadores".  Wink

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Mike1974
Posted 2005-05-04 08:16:03 and read 11870 times.

Im assuming it makes sense for MX and Cintra to lease those widebodies and not feasable to purchase at this moment (with the sale pending and everything). I believe that MX has only those widebodies in mind for right now correct? 2 A330s and 2 A340s.? No options for more in the near future?

Anyways, i wanted to ask about the possibility of MX sending its metal to Oceania (NZ and Australia) With what Ghost said about an open skies policy. So will MX be able to have a MEX-SYD-Auckland route? In other words be able to make a stop at Sydney first and then on to Auckland? Also, will it be able to go nonstop to such destinations or will it have the same problem with direct flights to Asia?

p.s cool pic there PPVRA!

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: AM744
Posted 2005-05-04 16:59:24 and read 11767 times.

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 96):
Has he even mentioned his views on the importance of air carriage as a key mean for social and commercial development, both domestic and international?

Just to put the discussion on equal ground. Has any of our other super politicos has?

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 97):
Don't know about the airlines, but I'm pretty sure there'll be a lot of jobs for "aviadores".

You mean like Santiago Creel's relatives(sister or something) who where robbered $50K cash while driving an official van. Are we to believe that she had just got her paycheck? Riiight.......

Guys, Peje might be crap, but most our beloved panistas are too. Either that or completely incompetent.

Back to the topic... I agree with our Nicaraguan friend. Wouldn't it be wiser to revert CO's invasion?

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Bgoodam
Posted 2005-05-04 18:09:31 and read 11725 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 89):
We will NEVER get to a point to see who's better and who's worst. Lets put a rule, when threads header speaks of MX lets try to maintain the line and discuss MX, if thread speaks about AM lets try to keep the conversation within AM.

OK, here´s another rule .........mmmmm.....(thinking)........ and when we talk about Peje, just talk about him, don´t bring up FOX or Creel.....mmm just Peje Ok guys, please and then don´t all of the sudden start to talk about the 330´s and 345´s. Keep it in order guys or we will have to have someone "desaforado". C´mon Ghost.......wheres the freedom?

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: JoseMEX
Posted 2005-05-04 18:34:10 and read 11692 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 91):
Hopefully our friends from the north stop him!

You mean the likes of PZurita1, N405MX, AR385, Marcus, SR117, MTYFREAK, etc. and that other part-time norteño Fly727 ("our friends from the north")?  Wink

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Fly2HMO
Posted 2005-05-04 19:15:11 and read 11654 times.

Que ondas, long time no see  wave 

Gotta love el Pejelagarto...

I don't know if any of you have read some of the news in the US about him. I get so annoyed.  headache  Many journalists seem to love him, when they actually don't know jack shit about his mental retardedness. I hope politicians in the US note what a threat Mr. Peje is.

Regardless of whoever wins the elections though, I don't think any of the potential candidates have ever thought not even once in their lifetime about the importance of aviation for the economy.

I just hope the airlines end up in good hands.  pray 

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-04 21:36:25 and read 11572 times.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 102):
just hope the airlines end up in good hands.

We are a lot hoping so.....

Saludos Fly2HMO  wave 

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 101):
You mean the likes of PZurita1, N405MX, AR385, Marcus, SR117, MTYFREAK, etc. and that other part-time norteño Fly727 ("our friends from the north")?

Do what we can.......... box  , but right now with the stuff done by our gober Nati, this thing will be harder.....  tired 

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Marcus
Posted 2005-05-04 22:53:32 and read 11524 times.

El Peje El Peje..............that's why I have always said that in order to get a voting card people should have and IQ exam also, not just a birth certificate.

Back to topic, TIJ airport has recently received an expansion in terminal areas and customs so a flight to Asia is (at least in terms of installations) more feasible that say 6 months ago..............with all of the manufacturing facilities here in TIJ from Japanese and Korean investment, the 2 billion dollar expansion planned for Ensenada (yep! the Japanese again), and sizeable Chinese population living in TIJ, ENS, and MXL a flight to Asia is not such a farfetched idea.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Adriaticus
Posted 2005-05-04 23:10:06 and read 11522 times.

What makes me even more upset (si, lo que más me arde) is that, if he ever makes it to The Big One, he'll get to fly beautiful TP-01 and other perks as he wishes... gosh, talk about feeding pigs with daisies! banghead 

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Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Adriaticus
Posted 2005-05-04 23:12:59 and read 11493 times.

Quoting Marcus (Reply 104):
with all of the manufacturing facilities here in TIJ from Japanese and Korean investment, the 2 billion dollar expansion planned for Ensenada (yep! the Japanese again), and sizeable Chinese population living in TIJ, ENS, and MXL a flight to Asia is not such a farfetched idea.

Right, Marcus... Plus what do you think about San Diego area people who'd rather not drive to / connect at LAX to fly to the Far East?

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Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2005-05-04 23:15:48 and read 11485 times.

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 98):
2 A330s and 2 A340s.? No options for more in the near

Right, only 4 widebodies planned and their sole B763 which is forced to stay until Dec 06.

Quoting AM744 (Reply 99):
Wouldn't it be wiser to revert CO's invasion?

Nope! In that case we should be afraid of AA. Visita SCT.gob.mx and download the PDF file for 1989-2003 stats of mexican air transportation stats. AA aggressively approaches MX numbers year by year between MEX-US.

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 101):
You mean the likes of PZurita1, N405MX, AR385, Marcus, SR117, MTYFREAK, etc. and that other part-time norteño Fly727 ("our friends from the north")?

Who's Pzurita1/AR385? Haven't seen them for a long time! We want Pzurita1 back, so he can defeat the Peje!

Ricardo APM

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Marcus
Posted 2005-05-04 23:46:23 and read 11455 times.

Right, Marcus... Plus what do you think about San Diego area people who'd rather not drive to / connect at LAX to fly to the Far East?
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The market is most definetly there, but there would be a need to invest a lot of money to inform and convince people of going to TIJ for a direct flight to Asia on metal from a Mexican airline, a codeshare could do wonders for this.

Inmigrants and descendants from Asian inmigrants have a very strong prescence in the San Diego area, the Korean, Japanese, Phillipine, Vietnamese and Chinese neighbourhoods are numerous to say the least.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: SR117
Posted 2005-05-05 03:16:22 and read 11351 times.

I definitely think that a nonstop from TIJ to Asia could atract many people from north of the border. One need only see how many tickets used on flights from TIJ are bought in the USA (about 30-40% on many flights). So yeah, with good marketing in the area, they could do quite well with cargo and pax.

And.. and... all this peje bashing... it makes me so happy to see it, I almost want to cry tears of joy.  bouncy 

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: DLKAPA
Posted 2005-05-05 03:18:34 and read 11351 times.

So I guess these birds will mainly be flying MEX-Asia and Europe?

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-05 03:24:09 and read 11344 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 107):
Who's Pzurita1/AR385? Haven't seen them for a long time! We want Pzurita1 back, so he can defeat the Peje!

Good question  ghost , i email AR385, but he hasn´t answered yet, could use some help here..... fight 

Quoting Marcus (Reply 108):
The market is most definetly there, but there would be a need to invest a lot of money to inform and convince people of going to TIJ for a direct flight to Asia on metal from a Mexican airline, a codeshare could do wonders for this.

AA#### TIJ-PVG operated by MX.....  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Marcus (Reply 108):
Plus what do you think about San Diego area people who'd rather not drive to / connect at LAX to fly to the Far East?

Another great point, that´s why they want to put the plane in TIJ  biggrin 

Quoting Adriaticus (Reply 105):
Or do you think (like he did with his famous little Tsuru) he'll downgrade?

I didn´t saw the MX Lincon Standard at MX base last time i was there...... worried 

Saludos Raza.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: SFOMEX
Posted 2005-05-05 03:35:17 and read 11343 times.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 91):
If Peje runs for the elections.... uh, scary! Hopefully our friends from the north stop him!

You sure about his passport? I thought this moron haven't hold a passport in his hole life!

Ricardo APM

As a matter of fairness, our beloved Peje has traveled outside the country, if only once in his life. Do you guess where?

Keep guessing...


You got it!

He went once to CUBA! Now that tells me more than ten speeches about his new project of nation. I guess TP-01 will be soon in the market as a luxury, second-hand 757 since our upcoming "comrade in chief" won't need it.

Hopefully, Fox will sell MX and AM before the AMLO era begins.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-05 06:00:01 and read 11301 times.

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 112):
Hopefully, Fox will sell MX and AM before the AMLO era begins.

Hope he does.

Actually, the time limit to sell MX is October 31.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Anthsaun
Posted 2005-05-06 18:58:01 and read 11143 times.

It has been a very long time since I last wrote. Well, here it is my post:


Congrats to MX for this new expansion. It took several decades to become a reality.

Asia is the place to be at right now in business and leisure travel. And if MX has set eyes on this then things will go OK.

The A340 will do fine, but I believe, that a B747 would do even better because of the huge amount of cargo that can be moved along with pax.

I would like to know what will be the routes served by the A330's? Just EZE? Would you say that the CUN - MXP will be on the table again?

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: BGOODAM
Posted 2005-05-06 21:29:34 and read 11061 times.

Not saying i'ts not going to happen, but after hanging around in the hallways and pilot reserve pit it was interesting to note that none of the conversations amongst the pilots (AM, MX) were about the 330's, just about more 318's........Oh well...sorry about the last post, pressed the wrong key.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2005-05-06 22:09:27 and read 11030 times.

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 116):
Not saying i'ts not going to happen, but after hanging around in the hallways and pilot reserve pit it was interesting to note that none of the conversations amongst the pilots (AM, MX) were about the 330's, just about more 318's........

Certainly! A new batch for 8 A318s is being discussed on the table plus 4 additional SH A320s.

No one knows anything [specially pilots, always the last to know what's going on at their noses and business! Except for a very few people! But it's a very small percentage, it's always a shame to see AM MD80 pilots ignoring the existence of the 717/MD90, etc! Or MX/AM 757/767 pilots ignoring the existence of the B757-300/767-400 and many more small stupid things but at the last important in the business] about the A330/340s, please tell us something new!

You can do a search thru a.net! First people to know about AM777's were anutters since last December [IIRC, first post on Dec 13th]. And at APM we knew about that since last November 04. First people to confirm was ILFC on Jan 10th followed by the mexican media, then AM made it official on Feb 16th 05. Last people to know, pilots-f/a's, ground crew, etc! This is how everything works in Mexico while in the rest of the world things are the other way round and news like this are firstly and very proudly disclosed by the airlines and employee's.

In case you are interested I can send you some info related to the arrival of 330/340s to MX. Info coming directly from Europe! The same way pilots and rest of the employee's at CINTRA's carriers have been ignored by CINTRA during the process of the sale, same way info and negotiations going on at the North of the country or Europe are hidden till the last moment possible. Sad but true, and the only people capable of changing that is the people inside the industry which apparently they do very few changes or perhaps, they can't do anything as they are government owned carriers and they can't change the things very unfortunately that CINTRA is not runed as Emirates or other government carriers are! Good luck to all inside at CINTRA!


Ricardo APM

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Theredbaron
Posted 2005-05-07 03:00:24 and read 10922 times.

I really hope the cargo and the closeness to the border makes the MEX flights to Orient a good business, certanly th ecloseness to the border, the maquiladoras and also the way to avoid the jingoistical US inmigration will lure a lot of PAX....

Now the Peje will not get: the sale of MEX and AM nor he will be able to get his hands on the 67k million dollars reserve we have (because the Bank of Mexico is independent so he cannot get crazy), I have a personal Mantra about him "pinche peje" I always say when I have to endure one of his stupid desicions...for example my last 3 flights have been a nightmare after landing due to lack of gates!! one in American airlines, one in Delta and the last in Mexicana up to 35 minutes in the plane waiting to get to the gate....
It seems that some machetes could do more than the money a new Airport would...surrrealistic...sure...but the PRD was behind those guys who opposed the airport, and now the rerward they will get is a life of ethernal poverty and a 2 horse town...

ah...and by the way the Peje is afraid of heights (talk about a really funny phobia for a politico...) thats hy he never fly in a chopper, or likes to fly in Airplanes, when he inaugurated the "Torre Mayor" he was literally fainting....guess the Air industry is doomed with a guy like that

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-07 19:14:22 and read 10776 times.

Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 117):
...for example my last 3 flights have been a nightmare after landing due to lack of gates!! one in American airlines, one in Delta and the last in Mexicana up to 35 minutes in the plane waiting to get to the gate....

Not only in MEX, in MTY also, lack of gates, lot´s of trouble when SLW gets closed because of the fog, and you have a lot of planes delayed.....

Some info, XA-TKR already flying for Click, also MX really needs those A330´s, XA-MXB for the flights to EZE  banghead  :
Tuesday 235minute delay
Wednesday 195minute delay
Thursday 125minute delay
Friday 60minute delay
Saturday hope today get´s on time  Sad , delay because of maintenance  alert , MX nightmare becoming a reality...... tired 

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Marcus
Posted 2005-05-09 20:19:43 and read 10574 times.

PRD was behind those guys who opposed the airport, and now the rerward they will get is a life of ethernal poverty and a 2 horse town...
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Yes but that will be a 2 horse town that votes for the PRD, votes are the only things that politicians care about and they base their policies on getting the most votes on the next election.

If AMLO gets elected then I guess we would have to separate ourselves from the rest of the country,  Smile TIJ would be the capital with most of the population and economic activity of the state, MXL and ENS would be the Agricultural cities of the state, Tecate the beer making city and Rosarito the tourist trap!  Smile...............NOT!

Back to topic..........does anyone have any updates or news about these new planes for MX?

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Pecevanne
Posted 2005-05-09 20:42:18 and read 10545 times.

I am not able to find any info about MXA A- 330
Any help from Ghost77 will be appreciated.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-09 21:24:35 and read 10500 times.

Quoting Pecevanne (Reply 120):
I am not able to find any info about MXA A- 330
Any help from Ghost77 will be appreciated.

Me also, send me some of the info pls  wave 

Quoting BGOODAM (Reply 115):
Not saying i'ts not going to happen, but after hanging around in the hallways and pilot reserve pit it was interesting to note that none of the conversations amongst the pilots (AM, MX) were about the 330's, just about more 318's........Oh well...sorry about the last post, pressed the wrong key.

I agree with Ghost, the last people to know are the pilots, actually I got part of the info from one of them, actually he went for an A319 to XFW, so he got good news, also other pilot told me that some pilots already have A330/340 manuals with them  biggrin 

And yes, is an A345, 2 pilots told me that (one took an A318 from XFW)

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2005-05-09 22:30:27 and read 10460 times.

Quoting Pecevanne (Reply 120):
I am not able to find any info about MXA A- 330
Any help from Ghost77 will be appreciated.

Email me via Profile or pictures in DB!

Ricardo APM

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: WiLdmanVzla
Posted 2005-05-11 02:19:46 and read 10316 times.

I've read an interview with Mr. Emilio Romano (the chairman of MX) and I liked a lot his opinions about the way of doing the privazitation of the airline... anyway, I think the best for MX is to compete against CO in their mexican new routes because CO is doing a great job taking passengers around the country... Mexico deserves a really good airline & MX is getting each time better (even with that boring new scheme).

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Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 91):
If Peje runs for the elections.... uh, scary! Hopefully our friends from the north stop him!

Yeah, sure... our "friends" from the north just want to have a secure source of oil even with a leftist as a president (you can look at Venezuela... the oil business is getting better & better between the Chavez govt & the US gov., even with all the 'cantinfladas' of our president).

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Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-11 23:20:04 and read 10189 times.

Quoting WiLdmanVzla (Reply 123):
Yeah, sure... our "friends" from the north just want to have a secure source of oil even with a leftist as a president

Wich oil.....  banghead 

Oh the one that we want to import from Bolivia (oh no, that´s natural gas).....

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N328KF
Posted 2005-05-11 23:38:24 and read 10176 times.

There will be 5 A350-500s available in a couple of years...only used once. Must pick up from the Republic of Singapore!

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Latinplane
Posted 2005-05-11 23:40:26 and read 10172 times.

Oh, US?

Well, who else are you going to sell your sour crude oil to Venezuela?  Big grin

 Smile LatinPlane

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-12 03:18:57 and read 10066 times.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 125):
There will be 5 A350-500s available in a couple of years...only used once. Must pick up from the Republic of Singapore!

Maybe next december.....

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Fyano773
Posted 2005-05-13 08:46:33 and read 9944 times.

Hi,

I feel happy with the coming arrival of these widebodies  Smile, but now that AC, NW and others (despite their large A320/A319 fleets) will be getting rid of their A340/A330 planes, I wonder why MX chose A345 & A332; commonality?

Maybe this is dumb, but many posts have quoted statements like:

...commonality is no longer a game changer...
...commonality has again been overrated, etc...

How about the 777? Perhaps the combined strengths of MX & AM could have led to a better deal with Boeing or lessors in the addition of 777s, splitting maintenance, costs, ops and so on.

Is really the A345 the right choice for MX?

Regards,

Fyano

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Fly727
Posted 2005-05-13 09:08:41 and read 9925 times.

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 128):
Maybe this is dumb, but many posts have quoted statements like:

...commonality is no longer a game changer...
...commonality has again been overrated, etc...

How about the 777? Perhaps the combined strengths of MX & AM could have led to a better deal with Boeing or lessors in the addition of 777s, splitting maintenance, costs, ops and so on.

May I say your statement is partially true?

You make a lot of sense, but at the end of the day the airlines will be sold separately. On the government's eyes it makes even more sense to offer two slightly different products in order to make them more attractive to a broader group of buyers. If we look up in the next few years I sincerely doubt to find the level of cooperation found in the -still now- CINTRA's carriers. When out of state hands, I don't foresee real orderly, much less civilized cooperation among them; honestly I wish to be wrong.

Besides, the choice of manufacturers is not a coin flipped recently. MX leaned over Airbus back in the really early 90's while AM was entirely patronizing MDD.

About the better deal from a joint MX/AM buy it is uncertain; 4-5 777s doesn't really make Boeing a lot richer. Expect those juicy discounts in the Asia/Middle East region where orders come by the dozen.

RM  Smile

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Marcus
Posted 2005-05-13 15:54:42 and read 9829 times.

I have seen these kinds of news on the paper for some months now but nothing is ever official......

http://www.frontera.info/buscar/traernotanew.asp?NumNota=325243

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-13 19:07:44 and read 9720 times.

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 128):
Maybe this is dumb, but many posts have quoted statements like:

...commonality is no longer a game changer...
...commonality has again been overrated, etc...

Actually it helps a lot the commonality, just an example, if you have a plane grounded or delayed, and you need to cover a flight, with the buses commonality, if you have a spare aircraft, you can send it with any crew, if you have a fokker spare aircraft, you´ll need to take some fokker pilots, and if you don´t have any, you´ll have to cancel or delay that flight.

Quoting Fly727 (Reply 129):
About the better deal from a joint MX/AM buy it is uncertain; 4-5 777s doesn't really make Boeing a lot richer.

Good point there.

Saludos

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Fyano773
Posted 2005-05-14 03:13:11 and read 9564 times.

Quoting N405MX (Reply 131):
Actually it helps a lot the commonality, just an example, if you have a plane grounded or delayed, and you need to cover a flight, with the buses commonality, if you have a spare aircraft, you can send it with any crew, if you have a fokker spare aircraft, you´ll need to take some fokker pilots, and if you don´t have any, you´ll have to cancel or delay that flight.

I agree, but I was referring to commonality between A320 family & A340/A330 as a probable key factor to choose the big buses.

Anyway, the arrival of these planes is great and AFAIK Mexico could be first in the Americas to operate the 777 (AM) and the A340 (MX), both of them at the same time, I dunno when AC's 777 deliveries will be placed.

Regards,

Fyano

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N77014
Posted 2005-05-14 06:07:44 and read 9509 times.

My observations on the various comments so far...

Quoting SR117 (Reply 109):
I definitely think that a nonstop from TIJ to Asia could atract many people from north of the border. One need only see how many tickets used on flights from TIJ are bought in the USA (about 30-40% on many flights). So yeah, with good marketing in the area, they could do quite well with cargo and pax.

Waste of $, brains, and time. I'll put up with the commuter plane to LAX than this scenario anytime. With the wait crossing San Ysidro, it would probably be faster, too.

Quoting WiLdmanVzla (Reply 123):
I've read an interview with Mr. Emilio Romano (the chairman of MX) and I liked a lot his opinions about the way of doing the privazitation of the airline... anyway, I think the best for MX is to compete against CO in their mexican new routes because CO is doing a great job taking passengers around the country... Mexico deserves a really good airline & MX is getting each time better (even with that boring new scheme).

There is no competetive hub strategically located anywhere in Mexico that can generate the convenience of connections or feed that IAH offers for transborder traffic. The logistics of running flights from every medium sized Mexican market to the top 5 O/D US for them would be futile in the least. The current scenario of flying once a day from say, OAK-MLM might be good for those customers, but what if I want to go from OAK to SLW, AGU, PBC, MID, etc., on MX?

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 53):
How is trade between Mexico and Japan and China? If Mexico has a great deal of trade between both countries, wouldn't cargo play a big role in wether the Mexico-Asia route would be a success. I don't know how much cargo a A340-500 can hold, I think it would be less than A330-300.

In a few years it won't matter. Mexico has failed to take advantage of the supposed benefits from NAFTA, to the point where they are losing their competetiveness to China. With the leftist reactionaries poised to take over in the next election, I see a regression to the mindset of the '70's...that high oil prices would cure all. However, this time there is much less oil around.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Latinplane
Posted 2005-05-14 07:14:16 and read 9467 times.

Quoting N77014 (Reply 133):
In a few years it won't matter. Mexico has failed to take advantage of the supposed benefits from NAFTA, to the point where they are losing their competetiveness to China. With the leftist reactionaries poised to take over in the next election, I see a regression to the mindset of the '70's...that high oil prices would cure all. However, this time there is much less oil around.

Are you kidding, by time AMLO takes control of the throne what oil will they have left? Cantarell's supply alone is starting to dwindle to "warning" levels, yet nobody who is supposed to care really gives a damn because they are just too busy using Mexico's sovereignty as the excuse (Give "ME" a brake!).

I don't understand why you people are making such a big deal about AMLO taking over, it's not like you're not used to having incapable people in power since 1810, and especially after 1910. Who knows, maybe he'll probe us all wrong for once! (Just kidding!) Oh, hey! I just realized that in five more years we'll be celebrating 200 years of independence!

If Mexicana does start service between TIJ and Asia, you can bet your bottom peso that I'll be on the first or second flight accross the Pacific. Mark my word!

 Smile LatinPlane

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-14 07:23:11 and read 9461 times.

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 132):
A320 family & A340/A330 as a probable key factor to choose the big buses.

From the 320 to the 330/340 only 18hrs simulator, no need a visit to the FFS, instead of an 737 to a 777 that takes a lot of sim hours and a visit FFS (Full Flight Simulator)

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 134):
If Mexicana does start service between TIJ and Asia, you can bet your bottom peso that I'll be on the first or second flight accross the Pacific. Mark my word!

Count me there  wave  i´ll try to get us "Ejecutiva"  blink 

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Latinplane
Posted 2005-05-14 09:35:33 and read 9419 times.

Quoting N405MX (Reply 135):
Count me there i´ll try to get us "Ejecutiva"

I bet those seats will be taken by reps! I'd be happy if you just tell me when they start selling seats so that I can drive 3 hours down to Tijuana to pay for my ticket!  Smile


 Smile LatinPlane

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-14 18:02:38 and read 9332 times.

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 136):
I bet those seats will be taken by reps! I'd be happy if you just tell me when they start selling seats so that I can drive 3 hours down to Tijuana to pay for my ticket!

When I have the info I´ll thell you {biggrin]

About the seats taken, why don´t we wait for the second flight (not so full).....

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Latinplane
Posted 2005-05-15 05:38:42 and read 9181 times.

N405MX

If everything should materialize as it is planned, I will certainly not turn down your offer dopey . If everything goes in tandem with my schedule at work  crossfingers  [y si Dios quiere  pray  ] I will be happy to be one of Mexicana's first paying passenger's accross the pacific. airplane  Hopefully it will be scheduled via TIJ.

Heck, that a Mexican carrier achieves this task is nothing short of a huge leap for Mexican aviation. I pledge my support by buying a ticket! I've always wanted to go to China anyway, or wherever the hell it is that we're going!. Big grin

Pero como dice el refran: Del dicho al hecho hay mucho trecho! Y como digo yo: Uno hace y Dios desace! So, we'll just have to wait and see.  bouncy 

By the way, any clue on the approximate dates of service?

 Smile LatinPlane

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-15 06:25:40 and read 9151 times.

LatinPlane
No info about the dates, but we will be in touch.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: WiLdmanVzla
Posted 2005-05-17 09:01:31 and read 8927 times.

Quoting EVA744 (Reply 140):
_____________________________________/ / /
( Enchilada Class / Burrito Class / Taco Class / /
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Can somebody tell me how are named the classes in Yemenia?...

First as 'tabule' for example? (just kidding by the way)

*******

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: ACDC8
Posted 2005-05-17 09:18:23 and read 8916 times.

Congratulations Mexicana and Mexico! I envy you guys, you're getting the A340 and looks like we're loosing it...

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Photo © Alexander Gill


Bye, bye. You will be missed.  Sad

Enjoy them, it's a fantastic a/c and will look fabulous in MX's livery!

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Mike1974
Posted 2005-05-20 00:29:45 and read 8697 times.

Just thinking about the possibility of MX acquiring the A340 and came accross the question that if that were to happen, will MX be the first airline in Latin America to fly the 340-500? I know LAN operates the 340-200. Im not sure about AR's fleet. Just curious about that. Would be cool to see MX the only and first Latin American airline to add that widebody to its fleet.

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: Columba
Posted 2005-05-20 00:45:07 and read 8675 times.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 141):
Congratulations Mexicana and Mexico! I envy you guys, you're getting the A340 and looks like we're loosing it...

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Photo © Alexander Gill


Bye, bye. You will be missed.

Enjoy them, it's a fantastic a/c and will look fabulous in MX's livery!

Great picture !!!!

Topic: RE: Mexicana To Get The Airbus 340-500
Username: N405MX
Posted 2005-05-20 17:24:25 and read 8554 times.

Quoting Mike1974 (Reply 142):
Just thinking about the possibility of MX acquiring the A340 and came accross the question that if that were to happen, will MX be the first airline in Latin America to fly the 340-500?

Looks like, because LA only uses the A343, and MX is thinking on the A345 because of it´s range, also in the A332 for the flights to EZE.

Cheers


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