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Topic: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: JoKeR
Posted 2005-06-19 08:38:53 and read 25689 times.

A NW DC-10 (BOM-AMS) had to make an emergency landing due to a technical problem in its cargo bay.

Technicians are attending to the aircraft which is expected to depart to its destination.

Full story available here :< http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1723448,00.html >

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: IslipWN
Posted 2005-06-19 08:48:26 and read 25625 times.

I wonder what the pax are doing while they fix the problem. Will Tehran Airport supply the plane with any water or food if they run out (Depending on how long they are there for)?


Joe

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: JoKeR
Posted 2005-06-19 08:54:08 and read 25609 times.

Quoting IslipWN (Reply 1):
Will Tehran Airport supply the plane with any water or food if they run out

Just because Iran and the US are not the best of friends does not mean that these passengers will be left to dehydrate or starve, I'm pretty sure they will get all the necessary help and support.

Saying that though, it must have been one big problem aboard as I'm sure they would have preferred a more "neutral" alternate field, perhaps time was precious in this case?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: PanAm747
Posted 2005-06-19 09:17:48 and read 25541 times.

I remember a thread a long time ago about the U.S. State Department pulling the rights for American Airliners to overfly Iran, including routes over the Persian Gulf.

One of the respondents was a United Airlines pilot, who flew the route to India quite frequently. He commented that he was quite disapppointed as the Iranian controllers were actually quite friendly and extremely professional.

The "guests" of the Islamic Republic of Iran I'm sure will be made to feel quite welcome, even if all they ever get to see is Mehrebad airport. The plane will be adequately repaired (perhaps by one of the European airlines that flies into THR) and a bill will be sent to NW Airlines.

The Iranian people have always had a history of great hospitality, going back to the Persian Empire. Just because a country has been taken over by religious fanatics hostile to "non-believers" and claim "this is what God wants" does not mean that everyone in the country will be hostile.

That's not a quip at any of the previous replies - just a reminder to the world that ANY country can have a non representational blindly religious government that doesn't represent the goodness of its people.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Bassie2010
Posted 2005-06-19 09:39:44 and read 25477 times.

It was a false alarm. The plane is expected to land at AMS in the afternoon. Current ETA 14:18 local time. I expect that the pilot had to dump fuel before he could land. Since he is probably already airborne again, it is safe to say that Teheran helped the plane on its way. Maybe the fuel is even cheaper over there  Smile

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: IslipWN
Posted 2005-06-19 09:39:58 and read 25476 times.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 2):
Just because Iran and the US are not the best of friends does not mean that these passengers will be left to dehydrate or starve, I'm pretty sure they will get all the necessary help and support.

I didn't mean it like that, but I guess I should have been more clear. I meant will they have enough supplies for a NW DC-10? I have no clue how big Tehran airport is, nor do I know what airlines even serve it. Have I heard of it before? Yes. But I don't know anything about it.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: IslipWN
Posted 2005-06-19 09:41:13 and read 25466 times.

Thats good that it was a false alarm. How long did it even stay on the ground in Tehran for?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Leskova
Posted 2005-06-19 10:08:52 and read 25397 times.

Quoting IslipWN (Reply 5):
I meant will they have enough supplies for a NW DC-10?

LH flies there with A340s (or was it A330s now?), EK flies there with A330s, other airlines operate aircraft the same size there, and Iran Air itself has planes up to B747s...

So, yes, they will have enough supplies for a DC10.

Regards,
Frank

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Bassie2010
Posted 2005-06-19 10:10:54 and read 25380 times.

Quoting IslipWN (Reply 6):
Thats good that it was a false alarm. How long did it even stay on the ground in Tehran for?

It had an eight hour delay, so something along those lines.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: JoKeR
Posted 2005-06-19 10:20:43 and read 25347 times.

Quoting IslipWN (Reply 5):
I have no clue how big Tehran airport is, nor do I know what airlines even serve it. Have I heard of it before? Yes. But I don't know anything about it.

Fair enough; haven't been there myself, the city recently activated its new - 1 year old (if that makes any sense) but controversial Imam Khomeini International Airport, a modern structure that was caught in the middle of a publicity storm; I actually don't quite know what the fuss was all about but it caused the new airport to be opened for just a few hours last year before getting shut down for a period of one year. This facility replaces the old Mehrabad (sp?) Airport. With regards to your question regarding the size, both facilities are/were capable of handling the largest airliners and transport planes and do so on a daily basis (747s, 777s, MD-11s, 767s, A330s etc).

The city is served by most European carriers, as well as by airlines from the Middle East and Asia.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: SEAPlane10
Posted 2005-06-19 10:27:55 and read 25322 times.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
He commented that he was quite disapppointed as the Iranian controllers were actually quite friendly and extremely professional.

That is good to hear that.

It's been said that air traffic controllers are often able to keeps politics out of the radar rooms....a plane is a plane no matter where it is from.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Laxintl
Posted 2005-06-19 10:45:12 and read 25293 times.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 9):
I actually don't quite know what the fuss was all about but it caused the new airport to be opened for just a few hours last year before getting shut down for a period of one year.

Internal Iranian politics.

The new Imam Khomeini airport IKIA was built by a Turkish-Austrian consortium per a BOT (Build, Operate, Transfer) agreement which it had won from the Iranian Ministry of Public Works.

Upon completion of the facility and just after the 1st plane landed, hardline elements in the Iran government and military forced the closure of the facility. These hardliners claimed, that the facility did not meet required safety and security codes. All types of trumped up claims were placed regarding the unsafe nature of the facility, from an improperly designed roof, to unsafe escalator and on and on.

Shortly it became clear however that these hardliners were in reality objecting to foreign parties having control of the facility. It was claimed the Turkish-Austrian group had secret Israeli links.

As a result while internal and legal rangling continued the facility remained closed for an additional year.

The Turkish-Austrian group has since had its 20 year contract cancelled and have had their financial claims settled for the most part.
The new airport now is being managed by a joint Iran Air, and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

Interestingly the near the same thing happended to another Turkish company. Couple years back a Turkish telecommunications company won the bid to establish Irancell which would be the countries second cell phone operator. This year various parties in Iran forced the legislature to enact new laws banning foreign ownership of Irancell on grounds a threat to national security. The Turkish company now is negotiating either for new terms in its investment or would like to have its investment bought out to the tune of 300million Euro's.

Bascially what one hand does in Iran, the other hand cancels!

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Brons2
Posted 2005-06-19 10:51:26 and read 25261 times.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
One of the respondents was a United Airlines pilot, who flew the route to India quite frequently. He commented that he was quite disapppointed as the Iranian controllers were actually quite friendly and extremely professional.

The pilots on Iran Air were very friendly at our a.net CGN sightseeing trip on the 747SP.

They encouaged me to visit Iran, but I'm not sure how the State Department would feel about that upon my return.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: LTBEWR
Posted 2005-06-19 14:26:12 and read 24910 times.

Per NW's website, this is Flt. # 41, which departed BOM about 12:43 am June 19th, scheduled to arrive in AMS at 6:40 am, but instead diverted to Terhan at about 4:08 am. It departed about 10:35 am, after mechanical repairs. It was/is scheduled to arrive in AMS 2:20 pm local time (original time 6:40 am). the continuation of this flight # 41 AMS-MSP was cancelled for it's ops on June 19.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: IFLYMCO
Posted 2005-06-19 14:26:34 and read 24910 times.

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 12):
They encouaged me to visit Iran, but I'm not sure how the State Department would feel about that upon my return

It is still possible (despite popular belief) to visit Iran. I have many persian friends and I would love to visit Iran.. I looked into going and it is still OK to do as long as a persian person invites you to go. I have heard stories of "interviews" upon entering Iran and coming back into the US but nothing serious.

(Ignore my flag, I am a US citizen)

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Dtwclipper
Posted 2005-06-19 14:40:49 and read 24853 times.

So, is this the first US airline to visit THR since Pan Ams last flight out?

How long do we have to wait for NW to start service between DTW & THR?

Quoting IFLYMCO (Reply 14):
It is still possible (despite popular belief) to visit Iran

Me too, I know a number of people who still have family in Iran, and visit on a regular basis.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: SATL382G
Posted 2005-06-19 14:47:47 and read 24817 times.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
The "guests" of the Islamic Republic of Iran I'm sure will be made to feel quite welcome



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
The Iranian people have always had a history of great hospitality

Yes Americans have always been well treated in Iran...


I've got to wonder what the Capt. was thinking when he made the decision to divert and if the political situation influenced his decision at all.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Ahlfors
Posted 2005-06-19 14:48:34 and read 24813 times.

There are no US laws against travelling to Iran. There are laws against doing business (as in import/export/investment) with Iran, with exceptions made for those expenses normally incurred as a visitor/traveller/tourist, and certain products like persian carpets and personal effects. You do need an invitation from an Iranian to get a visa, but there are several travel agencies that can do that. As for safety, I felt much safer in Iran than I do in most US or European cities.

Though I must say, some people on that plane must have been rather nervous landing in Tehran on an American airliner.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Ahlfors
Posted 2005-06-19 14:53:40 and read 24775 times.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 16):
Yes Americans have always been well treated in Iran...

Iran today is very different from Iran in 1979.

Also, the Iranians make a very clear distinction between the US government (and government officials) on one hand and private American citizens on the other. The latter are warmly welcomed. They should know, seeing as their own government most certainly does not represent their people.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: SATL382G
Posted 2005-06-19 15:06:16 and read 24728 times.

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 18):
Also, the Iranians make a very clear distinction between the US government (and government officials) on one hand and private American citizens on the other. The latter are warmly welcomed. They should know, seeing as their own government most certainly does not represent their people.

Odd, the gov't officials they took hostage WERE private American citizens.

The thing that the Iranians need to understand is that the U.S. has a representative gov't (though not perfect) and most (but not all) Americans will view an attack upon our gov't as an attack upon ourselves.

The story on this DC10 diversion will be an interesting read when the details emerge.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Dtwclipper
Posted 2005-06-19 15:07:37 and read 24718 times.

NBC just showed a picture of the A/C in Iran on the Today show.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: WhiteHatter
Posted 2005-06-19 15:12:53 and read 24694 times.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 16):

Yes Americans have always been well treated in Iran...

Incredibly blinkered comment.

Those events happened as a result of Iran being embroiled in a revolution against an unpopular dictatorship supported by the USA.

Iran today is much more stable and there is absolutely no reason why an American airliner with Americans on board would not be warmly welcomed, and offered every assistance to rectify the problem the plane had.

If anything it is good for Iran to behave in that fashion as it reinforces their case that they are good international citizens and honour the conventions of air travel.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Aleksandar
Posted 2005-06-19 15:18:40 and read 24667 times.

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 12):
They encouaged me to visit Iran, but I'm not sure how the State Department would feel about that upon my return.

Would State Department make you any problems?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: 1MillionFlyer
Posted 2005-06-19 15:54:50 and read 24526 times.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 16):
I've got to wonder what the Capt. was thinking when he made the decision to divert and if the political situation influenced his decision at all.

If the plane had a cargo fire light you put it on the ground, period.

I have a very good friend from Iran she is a PHD and one of the smartest most open minded to religion person I know.

you can't judge the actions of a few radicals 16 years ago as the entire country's attitude toward others.

I guess if you wanted to carry that logic to the US no one should come here because our military rejects blow up federal buildings all the time!

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Ahlfors
Posted 2005-06-19 15:59:27 and read 24495 times.

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 23):
you can't judge the actions of a few radicals 16 years ago as the entire country's attitude toward others.

Try 26 years ago.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: 1MillionFlyer
Posted 2005-06-19 16:47:03 and read 23909 times.

LOl sorry, it is only 9 AM here and I had not had enough coffee when I posted that, yes it was 26 years ago.

Thanks  Smile

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Xpat
Posted 2005-06-19 16:48:36 and read 23882 times.

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 18):
Also, the Iranians make a very clear distinction between the US government (and government officials) on one hand and private American citizens on the other

When will the majority of us learn to make the distinction between governments and private citizens of all nations??

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: EFCar98
Posted 2005-06-19 16:56:07 and read 23771 times.

If only they could have made it to Saddam Intl...thats a MUCH safer place to land

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: KL911
Posted 2005-06-19 16:59:05 and read 23734 times.

Quoting EFCar98 (Reply 27):
If only they could have made it to Saddam Intl...thats a MUCH safer place to land

I don't think so... Talking about one of the most dangerous places in the world thanks to a certain nations army.....

I choose Teheran anyday over Bagdad for an emergency landing...

KL911

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Trident2e
Posted 2005-06-19 17:06:34 and read 23620 times.

Quoting IslipWN (Reply 1):
Will Tehran Airport supply the plane with any water or food if they run out

What a stupid thing to say.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: GQfluffy
Posted 2005-06-19 18:04:17 and read 22924 times.

Quoting KL911 (Reply 28):
I don't think so... Talking about one of the most dangerous places in the world thanks to a certain nations army.....

You just don't get sarcasm, don't you? And before this nation's army was in Iraq, do you think landing a US airliner there would've been any different then it is now?

fluffy

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: SATL382G
Posted 2005-06-19 18:14:10 and read 22781 times.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 21):
Those events happened as a result of Iran being embroiled in a revolution against an unpopular dictatorship supported by the USA.

No doubt. Why take hostages? It would be much simpler and more civilized to simply say to the ambassador "You and your staff are persona nongrata - please leave, you have 72 hours." It is a weak people that threatens and terrorizes hostages to achieve their ends.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 21):
Iran today is much more stable and there is absolutely no reason why an American airliner with Americans on board would not be warmly welcomed, and offered every assistance to rectify the problem the plane had.

I'm very sure the same could have been said before the revolution as well. The situation could be different very rapidly.

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 23):
I have a very good friend from Iran she is a PHD and one of the smartest most open minded to religion person I know.

...again no doubt. What is her opinion of her gov't? Does she have any say in what her gov't does in her name?

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 23):
you can't judge the actions of a few radicals 16 years ago as the entire country's attitude toward others.

Do you honestly believe those "few radicals" actually had no sympathy or support from their gov't? Talk about "blinkered"....

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 23):
If the plane had a cargo fire light you put it on the ground, period

I can think of a few political situations that altered the emergency diversion thinking of a Capt. A World 727 doing an evacuation flight from Saigon comes to mind.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2005-06-19 18:18:12 and read 22713 times.

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 12):

They encouaged me to visit Iran, but I'm not sure how the State Department would feel about that upon my return.

i know many people who have gone to Iran without a problem, you should go, the Iranians are very hospitable people (IMHO)

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 16):
I've got to wonder what the Capt. was thinking when he made the decision to divert and if the political situation influenced his decision at all

he was afraid of his pax and himself being subjugated to rape, kidnapping, torture amongst other things.....  sarcastic 

maybe you should learn a thing or two about world history, politics, people and culture before you make such an ignorant statement...  butthead 

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Indio66
Posted 2005-06-19 18:20:26 and read 22684 times.

Actually, the NWA flight stopped to pick up Sean Penn.  Smile

Seriously, I think that most of the Iranian people are fine (indeed, most have a relative living in Los Angeles). Unfortunately, the government is the problem.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: MKEdude
Posted 2005-06-19 18:31:09 and read 22570 times.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
and a bill will be sent to NW Airlines.

Will NW be allowed to bay the bill? Seriously, dosent the State Department prohibit any American company from putting money in their economy?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Burnsie28
Posted 2005-06-19 19:03:55 and read 22236 times.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 13):
the continuation of this flight # 41 AMS-MSP was cancelled for it's ops on June 19

Wrong, it shows that flight 41 AMS-MSP is currently "in-flight"

Edit: The flight arrived at 11:58am, 37 minutes early.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: CHI787ORD
Posted 2005-06-19 19:07:52 and read 22184 times.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
One of the respondents was a United Airlines pilot, who flew the route to India quite frequently. He commented that he was quite disapppointed as the Iranian controllers were actually quite friendly and extremely professional.

UAL doesn't fly to India.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: SATL382G
Posted 2005-06-19 19:12:03 and read 22132 times.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 32):
he was afraid of his pax and himself being subjugated to rape, kidnapping, torture amongst other things.....

Are you being sarcastic?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 32):
maybe you should learn a thing or two about world history, politics, people and culture before you make such an ignorant statement...

I have lived and traveled abroad extensively. I was alive and politically aware at the time of the hostage crisis in Iran. How about you?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: WDBRR
Posted 2005-06-19 19:13:44 and read 22101 times.

Here is a question.....all women must cover their
heads in Iran, including foreigners. I am sure most
women on that flight did not have a scarf or Chador
with them. I wondered if the airport handed out
scarves for them to put on their heads before getting
off that plane.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: KL911
Posted 2005-06-19 19:28:26 and read 21928 times.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 36):
UAL doesn't fly to India

No, but UA did fly to India daily from LHR and HKG as part of the round the world flight UA1 and UA2 for many years....

KL911

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Hawk44
Posted 2005-06-19 19:38:46 and read 21820 times.

Does KLM fly to Tehran from AMS?

Hawk44

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Gary2880
Posted 2005-06-19 19:56:03 and read 21650 times.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 31):
...again No doubt. What is her opinion of her gov't? Does she have any say in what her gov't does in her name?

I'd say about as much as you do. Could she walk up and ask her leader to do things differently? er... No, could I walk up to Downing St and ask Tony to do things differently er no. Could you walk up to the white house and ask Mr bush to do things differently eer no!

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 37):
Are you being sarcastic?

float your wee mouse over the green face next to the sentence and you`ll get your answer

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Leskova
Posted 2005-06-19 19:56:57 and read 21633 times.

Quoting Hawk44 (Reply 40):
Does KLM fly to Tehran from AMS?

Yes, they do. Just as most other major European airlines.

Regards,
Frank

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: AeroWesty
Posted 2005-06-19 20:28:54 and read 21337 times.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
The "guests" of the Islamic Republic of Iran I'm sure will be made to feel quite welcome, even if all they ever get to see is Mehrebad airport. The plane will be adequately repaired (perhaps by one of the European airlines that flies into THR) and a bill will be sent to NW Airlines.

Kudos for the most reasonable, level-headed comment of this entire thread, PanAm747. I can barely believe what has followed.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: GMUAirbusA320
Posted 2005-06-19 20:33:40 and read 21288 times.

Wow...that Probably gave the CPT and FO a little pucker or two for the first few minutes on the ground. To me, no matter where you are most people will accept your "Americanism." Many people in Europe and Asia recognize their disdain taste for the American government and not the individual. I've been to Spain and friends told me that "they may not like you." But, I don't go around wearing cowboy boots and spitting tobacco everywhere. I respect local rules and customs.

BTW, are there any spotters in CDG that could give me any insight on places to go in Paris? I'm really excited to go to Paris and Pamplona (for the Running of the Bulls).

Cheers,

GMUAirbusA320

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: M404
Posted 2005-06-19 20:40:55 and read 21210 times.

After reading all the above I'm still not sure which airport NW landed at. It seems to be assumed it is not the new one but if it's made for International traffic would it not have been preferred?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Udo
Posted 2005-06-19 20:55:40 and read 21056 times.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 16):
Yes Americans have always been well treated in Iran...

Just like they have always been treated very well in Germany, e.g. 61 years ago...  sarcastic 

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 16):
I've got to wonder what the Capt. was thinking when he made the decision to divert and if the political situation influenced his decision at all.

The captain is responsible for the safety of his passengers and his crew, certain ideologies should not influence such a decision. It was a smart move to divert to Teheran rather than risk the safety of the flight. The people on board can be happy that their captain wasn't as "politically correct" as certain users on this board...  relieved 

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 19):
The thing that the Iranians need to understand is that the U.S. has a representative gov't (though not perfect) and most (but not all) Americans will view an attack upon our gov't as an attack upon ourselves.

Oh and following that logic "some (but not all) Americans" cannot distinguish between normal citizens and government officials in other countries either...  sarcastic 

Quoting EFCar98 (Reply 27):
If only they could have made it to Saddam Intl...thats a MUCH safer place to land

Absolutely, a Stinger in the DC-10's butt wouldn't have been much of a problem at all...  Wink

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 31):
I'm very sure the same could have been said before the revolution as well. The situation could be different very rapidly.

True. The DC-10 pax could be hijacked every minute...  sarcastic 

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 37):
I have lived and traveled abroad extensively.

And you have certainly met many Iranians...  sarcastic 


Regards
Udo

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Aa777jr
Posted 2005-06-19 21:14:51 and read 20856 times.

What was the captain thinking diverting to Tehran. Was DXB too far?

Where was Sean Penn when this was all happening?  Smile

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: N160LH
Posted 2005-06-19 21:23:46 and read 20780 times.

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 23):
If the plane had a cargo fire light you put it on the ground, period.

I could not agree more!

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 31):
Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 23):
If the plane had a cargo fire light you put it on the ground, period

I can think of a few political situations that altered the emergency diversion thinking of a Capt. A World 727 doing an evacuation flight from Saigon comes to mind.

That all does not make a lot of difference if your dead! Remember a few years back when the US Navy had a P-3 make an emergency landing at CHina military base....? Same type thing the pilot and the crew of the P-3 are alive today because the pilot put the aircraft safely on the ground, and worried about the political concerns later!

Quoting Jetpixx (Reply 43):
There will be plenty of US aircraft flying in and out and Iran if they don't decide to come clean with their nuke program.

Sad but true..... That's if they are not flying over North Korea!

Quoting Udo (Reply 49):
The captain is responsible for the safety of his passengers and his crew, certain ideologies should not influence such a decision. It was a smart move to divert to Teheran rather than risk the safety of the flight. The people on board can be happy that their captain wasn't as "politically correct" as certain users on this board...

Once again I could not agree more.


N160LH

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Bobnwa
Posted 2005-06-19 21:35:07 and read 20666 times.

Aa777jr,

What aviation degrees or pilot license do you hold to second guess the pilot of this aircraft? Do you really think he arrived at his decision without considering all possibilities?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Leskova
Posted 2005-06-19 21:44:26 and read 20588 times.

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 50):
What was the captain thinking diverting to Tehran. Was DXB too far?

Are you aware of the distance between those two cities? Just so you don't have to look it up, it's 758 miles - and that's about 757 miles more than you want to be flying in such a situation.

Regards,
Frank

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: JoKeR
Posted 2005-06-19 21:53:51 and read 20488 times.

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 34):
Will NW be allowed to bay the bill? Seriously, dosent the State Department prohibit any American company from putting money in their economy?

Oh please, pity please tell me that this was a joke?!?!?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Zvezda
Posted 2005-06-19 22:02:39 and read 20389 times.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
ANY country can have a non representational blindly religious government that doesn't represent the goodness of its people.

Is this a reference to the Iranian government or the US government?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: September11
Posted 2005-06-19 22:04:57 and read 20440 times.

Quoting IslipWN (Reply 5):
I have no clue how big Tehran airport is, nor do I know what airlines even serve it. Have I heard of it before? Yes. But I don't know anything about it.

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Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Gamps
Posted 2005-06-19 22:14:31 and read 20255 times.

Quoting M404 (Reply 48):
After reading all the above I'm still not sure which airport NW landed at. It seems to be assumed it is not the new one but if it's made for International traffic would it not have been preferred?

The Associated Press photos show plane at Mehrabad Airport.





A U.S. Northwest Airlines DC-10 prepares to take off at Mehrabad airport in Tehran on Sunday June, 19, 2005. The U.S. plane made an emergency landing in Tehran on Sunday after reporting a technical problem in its cargo section, airport officials said. The plane was en route from Bombay, India, to Amsterdam, Netherlands, with 255 passengers and crew, according to a spokesman for the Iranian civil aviation authority. No injuries were reported. (AP Photo/Hasan Sarbakhshian)

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: MKEdude
Posted 2005-06-19 22:21:02 and read 20181 times.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 54):
Quoting MKEdude (Reply 34):
Will NW be allowed to bay the bill? Seriously, dosent the State Department prohibit any American company from putting money in their economy?

Oh please, pity please tell me that this was a joke?!?!?

Actually, no. There is something called the "Trading with the enemy act" a law that is supposed to prevent American individuals and companies from investing, or spending any money in certain states. I know that when people go to Cuba or North Korea they have to seek a waver from the treasury department, and then they are only allowed to spend money on essentials (food, personal items, etc) Weather this applies to Iran...I don't know.

Of course the policy is a steaming pile of horse s**t, but nobody asked me. It will be interesting to see how NW and the government handle this.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: September11
Posted 2005-06-19 22:26:28 and read 20114 times.

Quoting Gamps (Reply 54):
The Associated Press photos show plane at Mehrabad Airport.

many thanks for the photos  thumbsup 

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Ahlfors
Posted 2005-06-19 22:28:58 and read 20092 times.

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 52):
Is this a reference to the Iranian government or the US government?

Truth be told, it's quite scary that it has gotten to the point where it isn't clear which government is being referenced.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Ahlfors
Posted 2005-06-19 22:41:39 and read 19954 times.

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 55):
I know that when people go to Cuba or North Korea they have to seek a waver from the treasury department, and then they are only allowed to spend money on essentials (food, personal items, etc) Weather this applies to Iran...I don't know.

No, Iran does not go under the trading with the enemy act, though there are strict sanctions, they are not quite as comprehensive as the ones for Cuba and North Korea. Americans are allowed to spend money in Iran for essentials without asking for permission from the State Department.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Brons2
Posted 2005-06-19 23:20:47 and read 19586 times.

Wow this thread has really degenerated. Typical.

Anyways, to add something that may be of interest, my grandfather was a career employee of Lockheed and from 1975 through the revolution he was in Tehran as an employee of Lockheed International. When the revolution started I was about 10 years old and as I watched the scene unfold every night on TV I was quite worried for my Grandpa.

Finally a decision was made to evacuate all the Lockheed employees when the situation deteriorated to an intolerable level. Lockheed chartered PanAM to fly a plane from LHR, which was sent with a detatchment of company hired commandos. They sent a 741 down there. My grandfather said they asked for landing permission and permission was denied. The plane landed anyways, and the commandos were sent for the employees. Having had retrieved about half of the employees, they then returned to London.

My grandfather was on that flight, but being one of the senior people in Tehran, when they turned back around he went back to Tehran with them. When they got there, they asked for landing permission again and were denied, they yet again landed anyways. The commandos were again sent for the employees. At this point he remained behind at the airport. Television crews happened to be on hand from CBS, NBC and ABC, who were the major American television networks at that time. My grandfather was interviewed by all three of the networks but declined to say anything negative about the Iranian people. Due to this, his interview was not aired. Once the plane was filled with the remainder of the Lockheed employees, they took off for London, again without permission from the tower, I am told.

After a year or two back in the states my grandfather was then sent to Saudi Arabia to work on the new Jeddah International Airport, where Lockheed was a major contractor, he was in that country until 1986. He thought less of Saudi Arabia and generally said nicer things about Iran, FWIW.

My grandfather passed on in late 1992 after a bout with pancreatitis, so of course all my information is pretty much secondhand and unverifiable at this point in time, but that's the way he told it to us when he was alive.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Atmx2000
Posted 2005-06-19 23:24:36 and read 19533 times.

Quoting Ahlfors (Reply 57):
Truth be told, it's quite scary that it has gotten to the point where it isn't clear which government is being referenced.

Oh, please...

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Lijnden
Posted 2005-06-20 00:46:21 and read 18852 times.

I think that the Iranian's do have a 'red' phone for these kinds of situations, just like the Americans have. What would the US Government decide when a Cubana plane is in need of an emergency landing? Let them crash?
Anyway with THR-thingy I am sure that not only Americans were aboard, but also Indians, EU-ers, etc., which could have resulted in a international crisis.
About payment: This can be solved by eg re-routing the bill via KLM or another Skyteam partner.

About the treatment of 'guests': Have you been to Dulles lately? After exiting the plane I ended up in windowless dark corridors, a PeopleMover that broke down and a line of about 1.5 hours. Cell-phones, cameras or electronic devices would be taken away from you when used. When it was finally my turn, pictures and finger prints were taken and I was asked weird questions who I was going to meet and where. Picked up my suitcase from the belt and proceeded to the final check-point. Ofcourse I was picked out and had to open my suitcase and empty all my pockets. This had nothing to do with safety anymore since it was AFTER the flight. I bet you that all this sh*t did not happen to the passengers and crew of this NWA DC-10.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Bennett123
Posted 2005-06-20 01:05:57 and read 18662 times.

Comments about the US embassy in 1979 are not really relevant to this instance.

The point is that the Iranians had just overthrown the Shah.

Given that the Shah was pretty unpopular and that the US were friends with the Shah, action of some sort was not unforeseeable.

Was the embassy action acceptable, no. But my understanding is that many actions of SAVAK were not acceptable either. I do not recall there being much criticism of the Shah by the US pre or post 1979.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Bullpitt
Posted 2005-06-20 01:10:58 and read 18599 times.

Very nice picture SATL382G in your reply but maybe you can post one with the prisoners at Guantanamo or the ones in the Iraqi prison.

If Americans want their nationals to be treated according to the Geneva convention they should treat other nationals the same way.

Remember you reap what you sow.  stirthepot 

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Nsfguy
Posted 2005-06-20 01:18:58 and read 18524 times.

My sweet daughter in law is from Iran. She has a Ph.D and is a contributor to this nation in many ways. People in that country are very much tired of all the endless suffering and bullshit from the hulla dulla set. Most are under 30 and adore the western culture, just hate the way the U.S. government seems to disrespect Islamic culture in favor of Israel everytime. Aside from that (I offer no opinion ether way) I can pretty well bet the folks on the NWA flight were very much welcome in Iran by the general public. Remember, just a few months ago the USA ran to the rescue and set up several field hospitals in the city of bam to care for the earthquake (50.000 dead)

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: LGA777
Posted 2005-06-20 01:24:40 and read 18476 times.

One thing I am surprised no one has mentioned. Even though there were I am sure Americans onboard this flight they where probably in the minority. KLM no longer operates AMS-BOM, it was taken over by NW as part of their partnership, it is the only nonstop flight in that market,AI appears not to serve it. So in all likelihood there were more Indians and Dutch onboard than Americans. Just my two cents !

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Alberchico
Posted 2005-06-20 01:41:50 and read 18352 times.

Quoting EFCar98 (Reply 27):
If only they could have made it to Saddam Intl...thats a MUCH safer place to land


1)Its not called Sadamm Int anymore...............Its called baghdad int.

2)that is the most dangerous airport in the world. why would anyone in their right mind even go there?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2005-06-20 02:01:54 and read 18175 times.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 37):

Are you being sarcastic?

judging from my emoticon after the phrase, you can make a safe bet that I was.

Quoting SATL382G (Reply 37):
I have lived and traveled abroad extensively. I was alive and politically aware at the time of the hostage crisis in Iran. How about you?

if you look @ my profile, you would know my age.....but yes..I was and given that you are supposedly so well-traveled abroad, your commments make even less sense... confused 

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Brons2
Posted 2005-06-20 02:24:08 and read 18008 times.

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 66):

1)Its not called Sadamm Int anymore...............Its called baghdad int.

2)that is the most dangerous airport in the world. why would anyone in their right mind even go there?

efcar98 was joking when he said that.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: MIASkies
Posted 2005-06-20 02:34:28 and read 17909 times.

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 63):
If Americans want their nationals to be treated according to the Geneva convention they should treat other nationals the same way.

Its unfortuante that these comments have to be even made and that the majority of American Citizens' are faced w/ hatred towards them now a days all because of the decisions of our current gov't regime...

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: AmirAA
Posted 2005-06-20 02:50:56 and read 17772 times.

I remember when a scheduled Iran Air flight shortly after the revolution landed in Heathrow, was not allowed to disboard its passangers and dogs were sent onto the plane top check the passengers.

This lack respect, as dogs are considered dirty in Iranian culture most people not being familair with dogs and are frightened of them was not and nothing similar happened to the passnegers of the Northwest flight. Infact an interview with the pilot on the Mehrabad taramac showed him happy and satisfied.

I hate it when some poeple are so blind and ignorant to believe all they are fed from FOX news and co !!! All hostilities between US and Iran are not solely due to Iran, the US is at fault too like its 8 year support for Saddam killing almost a generation of Iran and Iraq, pure CRIMINAL !!!

Oh by the way, the Iran Air pilot, didnt allow the dogs onto the flight and didnt allow the humiliation to continue and with he full support of the passengrs returned to Tehran were they would enjoy better hospitality. If you want an example of Iranian hospitality ask Sam Chui !!!

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: LTBEWR
Posted 2005-06-20 03:26:18 and read 17522 times.

For emergencies like what happened to this NW flight and involving a country where sanctions by the USA, monies for necessary payments would usually be handled through a 3rd party and neutral country with an embassy there like Switzerland. The Swiss embassy sometimes handles some diplomatic situations between the USA and Cuba.
I am quite sure one of the number of European, Asian or Middle Eastern airlines that serve Tehran have maintence staff there for their flights and would have done the inspection and repair. Possibly a credit/debit procedure was used to pay for the services of those carriers if involved. If parts were needed I am quite sure they would have been routed via one of those carriers. I doubt any of the pax, including any possible USA citizens were in any real trouble. They would have been either kept on the a/c or in a segerated gate area within the security zone and were served or had access to water, food, phones. To do anything hostile would not have been in Iran's best interest, especially with a well publicized and emergency situation. It would have been an interesting experience to have been there as a pax.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: TUNisia
Posted 2005-06-20 03:47:29 and read 17338 times.

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 47):
What was the captain thinking diverting to Tehran. Was DXB too far?

Did you never have to take a geography class?

When there is a possible fire on the AC I think any pilot would put the plane down ASAP. Also, any pilot would know that Tehran is a major international airport. The Middle East isn't as uncivilized as some in the country would have you think.

[Edited 2005-06-20 03:48:21]

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Stirling
Posted 2005-06-20 03:54:06 and read 17290 times.

Quoting AmirAA (Reply 70):
This lack respect, as dogs are considered dirty in Iranian culture

That is unfortunate. This action you speak of had nothing to do with disrespecting anyone and should not be taken as a personal attack. It was just the following of strict protocols to bring an unknown and potentially dangerous situation under control.

As visitors to your land are required to abide by your customs, the same should be true when it happens in reverse.
Fair? I think so.

Quoting AmirAA (Reply 70):
All hostilities between US and Iran are not solely due to Iran

Most people's knowledge of Iran is from the Embassy Take-Over onwards; whereas the reality is that of a situation having reached a boiling point after decades of US involvement in Iranian affairs. (Iraq was being supported by the Soviet Union...Who says the cold war is over?)
DO NOT MISCONSTRUE MY WORDS....I do not condone or defend their actions of the hostage-taking in anyway, (then or now) but knowing history helps understanding the "Why", if not providing the justification. It should have provided our government with a hard lesson in foreign policy decision making.


Remember, everything happens for a reason.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Schipholjfk
Posted 2005-06-20 05:32:19 and read 16597 times.

Quoting Aa777jr (Reply 47):
What was the captain thinking diverting to Tehran. Was DXB too far?

The flight path from Mumbai to Amsterdam takes the aircraft right over Tehran. I have flown this route many times and seen Tehran from high up.


What is the standard procedure for purchasing jet fuel at an unscheduled stop and how does usually airlines pay for it especially in a country not served by the carrier or in this case where there is no diplomatic ties?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: AirRyan
Posted 2005-06-20 05:34:52 and read 16579 times.

Anybody else notice that F-14 in the background of that one photo above? Hard to believe that the Iranians may very well be using Tomcats longer than the USN!

The only thing wrong in Iran right now is the crummy government that the majority of the younger population does not approve of. Hopefully that will soon change without any bloodshed, and Iran can renew their ties to the West, as the Persian people are of Aryan descent and its really a shame that Iran is not any more open to travel and such than it is.

Anybody ever seen Rudi Bakhtiar on CNN Headline News? She was raised in Iran and went to UCLA and wow, is she a hottie or what?!

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/bakhtiar.rudi.html

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Schipholjfk
Posted 2005-06-20 05:41:19 and read 16509 times.

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 65):
So in all likelihood there were more Indians and Dutch onboard than Americans. Just my two cents !

You are wrong on this case unless you don't believe naturalized U.S. citizens are not Americans. This flight is mostly packed with onward passengers to various U.S. cities from AMS. Large majority of these passengers are naturalized U.S. citizens of Indian background. You will find a large block of British citizens of Indian background on this flight as well.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Kaneporta1
Posted 2005-06-20 05:41:58 and read 16509 times.

Quote:
Quoting SATL382G

The "guests" of the Islamic Republic of Iran I'm sure will be made to feel quite welcome

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
The Iranian people have always had a history of great hospitality

Yes Americans have always been well treated in Iran...

No doubt. Why take hostages? It would be much simpler and more civilized to simply say to the ambassador "You and your staff are persona nongrata - please leave, you have 72 hours." It is a weak people that threatens and terrorizes hostages to achieve their ends.

I'm very sure the same could have been said before the revolution as well. The situation could be different very rapidly.

...again no doubt. What is her opinion of her gov't? Does she have any say in what her gov't does in her name?

Do you honestly believe those "few radicals" actually had no sympathy or support from their gov't? Talk about "blinkered"....

Although I hate turning this into a political debate, it drives me insane how arrogant some people are. I would suggest SATL382G to take a look at the following pics before making any more comments about civilized treatment of human beings.



Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Schipholjfk
Posted 2005-06-20 05:58:03 and read 16383 times.

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 77):
Although I hate turning this into a political debate, it drives me insane how arrogant some people are. I would suggest SATL382G to take a look at the following pics before making any more comments about civilized treatment of human beings.

I have a suggestion... why don't you take these people as guests into your house if you think so highly of them. You know what drives me insane... some people form Europe who pretend to be so fair-minded yet it was the place where two world wars started and over centuries oppressed people in Asia, Africa and South America by conquering one country after another. So pleaseeeeeeeee...

I was standing at the base of WTC on 9/11 watching the horror unfold... watching people who were innocent and went to work to feed their families jump off from 60th, 70th or 80th floors of the twin towers to death. Unless you were there, you will NEVER know or understand what it was like.

So please tell and enlighten us how terrorist suspects should be treated? We should put them up in Four Seasons, Hilton or Sheraton hotels? Please tell us and we will comply.

Where these people in Guantanamo before 9/11 happened? No. There is a reason why they are there. However, I do hope they people would be put up to trial soon and get this over with. I certainly do not agree with indefinite detention. How is it that so many people have such sympathy for the terrorists and yet so little concern about what they actually do. You know what... when these same people had a chance they also hit in the heart of Europe... Madrid, Spain train bombings! So don't they like Europeans any better.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: RwSEA
Posted 2005-06-20 06:00:49 and read 16355 times.

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 78):
I have a suggestion... why don't you take these people as guests into your house if you think so highly of them. You know what drives me insane... some people form Europe who pretend to be so fair-minded yet it was the place where two world wars started and over centuries oppressed people in Asia, Africa and South America by conquering one country after another. So pleaseeeeeeeee...

Maybe that's why Europeans are more fair minded - they've seen what giving away your rights one by one can lead to.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Kaneporta1
Posted 2005-06-20 06:12:50 and read 16262 times.

Quote:
quoting Schipholjfk
I have a suggestion... why don't you take these people as guests into your house if you think so highly of them. You know what drives me insane... some people form Europe who pretend to be so fair-minded yet it was the place where two world wars started and over centuries oppressed people in Asia, Africa and South America by conquering one country after another. So pleaseeeeeeeee...

I was standing at the base of WTC on 9/11 watching the horror unfold... watching people who were innocent and went to work to feed their families jump off from 60th, 70th or 80th floors of the twin towers to death. Unless you were there, you will NEVER know or understand what it was like.

So please tell and enlighten us how terrorist suspects should be treated? We should put them up in Four Seasons, Hilton or Sheraton hotels? Please tell us and we will comply.

Where these people in Guantanamo before 9/11 happened? No. There is a reason why they are there. However, I do hope they people would be put up to trial soon and get this over with. I certainly do not agree with indefinite detention. How is it that so many people have such sympathy for the terrorists and yet so little concern about what they actually do. You know what... when these same people had a chance they also hit in the heart of Europe... Madrid, Spain train bombings! So don't they like Europeans any better.

And the misinformation continues...I think of those people in Guantanamo as people who are held there without being charged and without being tried. When these people are tried and convicted as terrorists then I hope they spend the rest of their lives there, but until that, their treatment is everything but civilized. Here's something else. These people were probably afghans and iraqis fighting for their country (or as instructed by their government) and nobody is being held there under suspicion of planning the attacks in NYC or Madrid. Last time I checked, the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon were made by saudis. So before mentioning 9/11 again get your facts straight. As far as Europeans oppressing other people decades ago, I can't disagree with that. But at least Europeans have given up occupying foreign countries 60 years ago.

[Edited 2005-06-20 06:15:30]

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Jmc1975
Posted 2005-06-20 06:31:13 and read 16130 times.

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 77):
I would suggest SATL382G to take a look at the following pics before making any more comments about civilized treatment of human beings.

Are those pics at THR? I know that Virgin Atlantic has red uniforms for their employees, but they don't fly into THR.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Kaneporta1
Posted 2005-06-20 06:39:36 and read 16066 times.

Yup, that's Virgin's flight crew testing the new security "backside" probing system before the airline commences operations at THR. Sure beats the hell out of taking fingerprints...

Oh, I forgot to mention, glad everyone on board the diverted flight is ok and nothing serious was wrong. Long live NWs DC-10s

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: N160LH
Posted 2005-06-20 06:57:41 and read 15949 times.

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 80):
But at least Europeans have given up occupying foreign countries 60 years ago.

Oh that's rich.... Occupying foreign countries.... Your not Greek you have to be French!


Sorry could not resist!

However, people that have not witnessed what happened on 9/11 will never understand what it felt like to see it happen and/or see the destruction after it happened. It is to bad that we all have different views of how the wrong should be punished, but that's what makes us humans. We all have different personalities, with different ideas and goals. Nevertheless, we all share the love of aviation (at least the people on this web site), and should given more attention to the aviation part of this topic, and leave the political part of this to another web site, and to the people who are in charge of our respected Countries. It is pathetic to see another thread go to a Boeing Vs. Whatever aircraft company type discussion.


At least that is my thoughts!
N160LH

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Kdeg00
Posted 2005-06-20 07:08:08 and read 15867 times.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 62):
Was the embassy action acceptable, no. But my understanding is that many actions of SAVAK were not acceptable either. I do not recall there being much criticism of the Shah by the US pre or post 1979.

Brilliantly said. It would be nice if some of the flag-wavers (showing the same symbol as I do) had some sense of history before they blurted out lots of the garbage in this thread. My brother-in-law has travelled through Tehran 3 times in the last five years as a transfer passenger to do some research and has been extremely complimentary of both the facilities at the airport as well as the people he encountered, with no negative reaction to the fact that he is an American.

The people on both sides of this landing are professionals andshould be given the benefit of the doubt that they acted like professionals. Drop the damn xenophobia people.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: JpetekYXMD80
Posted 2005-06-20 07:10:44 and read 15849 times.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
Just because a country has been taken over by religious fanatics hostile to "non-believers" and claim "this is what God wants" does not mean that everyone in the country will be hostile.

Yeah, but what about Iran?

hahha.sorry, had to  Smile

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Stirling
Posted 2005-06-21 01:28:47 and read 14876 times.

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 75):
Anybody ever seen Rudi Bakhtiar on CNN Headline News? She was raised in Iran and went to UCLA and wow, is she a hottie or what?!

Agree!

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 74):
What is the standard procedure for purchasing jet fuel at an unscheduled stop and how does usually airlines pay for it especially in a country not served by the carrier or in this case where there is no diplomatic ties?

I understand this was the cause of such a long time on the ground; 7 hours; most of it spent negotiating payment.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Bennett123
Posted 2005-06-21 01:43:32 and read 14846 times.

Schipoljfk

Do you know specifically who these people or exactly what laws they are accused of breaking.

What legal juristiction applies on Guantanemeo. I am not clear how this territory is under US control, but US law does not apply.

How soon do the US propose to charge or release these people.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: JCS17
Posted 2005-06-21 02:58:23 and read 14740 times.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 22):
Would State Department make you any problems?

I assume it would be the same if you showed up with an American passport when entering US Customs with a passport stamp from Cuba (although Cuba makes it a habit of not stamping US passports for that reason). Of course, they'll ask you what you were doing there and if you had any sort of documentation as to why you were there. A North Korean stamp on the other hand, that might really raise some red flags!  Wink

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: B727fan
Posted 2005-06-21 03:31:21 and read 14683 times.

Once again, the inevitable happens! A rather interesting news turns into a political discussions and bashings left and right! For those of you my dear countrymen and women, we as Americans tend to show off many aspects of our lives, and certainly don’t hold back when it comes to ignorance!
NW had an emergency and landed at THR! What was the outcome? Were the crew and pax treated like enemy combatants or blindfolded and pushed thru the terminal into torture chambers? Or, JUST MAYBE, they were treated in a civilized manner and after the plane was cleared for take off, they went on without any problems.
For the record, I am a proud American, and a republican. But you know what, I am also somewhat educated and first and foremost believe in democracy and its foundations. You all have the right to express your opinions on this board, but please, before painting an entire nation with a wide brush, just a give it a second thought and review. One GREAT opportunity those of us Americans and other westerners can have is to narrow the gap between Iran’s youth and ourselves. Ironically, given the chance, the “Liberals” of Iran, can become a powerful ally “conservative” Americans if you do your research. Anyone who has juts a little knowledge of history, would find out what a fascinating country Iran is. They have Good and Bad just like the rest of us do.
I mentioned that I am a republican but first an American. September 11th did not just happen near home for me, it hit home! I lost a cousin, an aunt and 2 very close friends. So please, those of you who are so mad and frustrated drinking the one sided point of view cool-aids, perhaps you should spend some time learning who the enemies before jumping into conclusions. There is a HUGE difference between majority of the Iranian (Persian) people and its hard line government with its fanatic supporters. Every dictatorship has a group of supporters benefiting at the expense of the mass. For those of you who paint all Iranians with one brush and without having a clue badmouth them, don’t you think that if ALL Iranians were hard line fundamentalist Muslims backing the current regimes, then they would be considered a Democratic Nation!!
I apologize for continuing this “political” debate, but I certainly hope to have made a point.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Mandala499
Posted 2005-06-21 05:43:23 and read 14551 times.

NWA: Tehran, NWAXXX requesting clearance to Amsterdam as filed....
TWR: NWAXXX leaving so soon? Won't you stay for a couple of hours more to enjoy our hospitality?
NWA: Errr... is that an invitation or a threat sir?

Sorry, just couldn't resist...

So... Bringing this back to aviation...
Does NWA carry Tehran Airport charts?

Mandala499

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Filejw
Posted 2005-06-21 06:32:13 and read 14480 times.

Mandala499,Yes Teheran charts are on the a/c.for those that worry about the bill and us funds.KLM was like the handling agent an I'm sure will be paid.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: RP TPA
Posted 2005-06-21 12:40:16 and read 14305 times.

I have a question which hasnt been asked yet. What if any of the passengers on that plane were holding Israeli passports? How might that have been handled by the Iranian authorities?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: B727fan
Posted 2005-06-21 14:16:18 and read 14232 times.

Responding to RP TPA,
I have friends of mine in the metro area who are Iranian Jews, and some are Israeli citizens. It is true, having an Israeli passport, or even stamp on your passport will make traveling to Iran very difficult if not impossible at this time, but the with the NW case, it was an emergency. I dont think it would be a wise decision for any government to take advantage of a case like that and turn it into a political chaos especially in the M. E. And again, theer is a difference between governments and people, especially in the middle-east.
I think if Iran and Israel will ever make up, there will be flights between THR-SYZ and TLV (You got Jewish, Bahaiis and just many other travelers) who would make the trips. But its a bit too early for that!  white 

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: N229NW
Posted 2005-06-22 02:31:16 and read 13876 times.

On an actual aviation note here:

Does anyone know the tail number on the plane? A couple of other NW DC-10s have recently made emergency landings because of malfunctioning cargo bay fire detectors. It might do NW well to have a look at all of these parts and maybe do some preemptive because they seem to be causing expensive problems, at least an a few of their planes.

Anyone know more about this?

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: LH600
Posted 2005-06-24 02:44:42 and read 13652 times.

Quoting Bullpitt (Reply 63):

LOL.....I Couldn't have said it better myself...

Quoting AmirAA (Reply 70):

Thats horrible...but what else is new???


I'm glad to hear that everyone was ok and I hope to see scheduled commercial flights into Tehran by US carriers in the future...

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: RedFlyer
Posted 2005-06-24 07:10:44 and read 13556 times.

Quoting Lijnden (Reply 61):
Picked up my suitcase from the belt and proceeded to the final check-point. Ofcourse I was picked out and had to open my suitcase and empty all my pockets. This had nothing to do with safety anymore since it was AFTER the flight. I bet you that all this sh*t did not happen to the passengers and crew of this NWA DC-10.

I would bet it didn't either. But, then again, terrorists didn't hijack four Iranian jets and crash them into Iranian landmarks slaughtering thousands in the process.

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 75):
Anybody ever seen Rudi Bakhtiar on CNN Headline News? She was raised in Iran and went to UCLA and wow, is she a hottie or what?!



I could make a pig look like a "hottie" with as much make-up as she wears and with the same camera angles.

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 77):
Although I hate turning this into a political debate

Then why did you??

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 77):
I would suggest SATL382G to take a look at the following pics before making any more comments about civilized treatment of human beings.

Someone sent me the extremely graphic video of Eugene Armstrong getting beheaded last year. Would you like me to send it on to you so that you can view it as well? I think it will provide you with a much needed adjustment to your perspective.

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Schipholjfk
Posted 2005-06-24 08:50:44 and read 13512 times.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 87):
Schipoljfk

Do you know specifically who these people or exactly what laws they are accused of breaking.

What legal juristiction applies on Guantanemeo. I am not clear how this territory is under US control, but US law does not apply.

How soon do the US propose to charge or release these people.

Before I answer your questions... let me ask you several questions... since you are SO concerned about these outstanding citizens housed at Guantanamo. I will let you know that I do not agree holding anyone forever neither do I agree with most of Bush administration's policies. In fact, in a perfect world I would have hoped all these people would have been brought under some sort of trial by now. I will also let you know that I am from New York City and a moderate at heart with more liberal views than conservative. Republican I am hardly not! However, the amount of drivel I see coming from Europe especially about 9/11 irks me to no end and makes a moderate-liberal like me side with the Bush administration simply to protest the ignorance I see on the otherside of the pond. I will also let you know I am married to a Dutch and maintain a home in a town about 10 mins away from Schiphol airport in Holland. So i am quite well aware of the life in Europe as well.

Having said that... how many of you Europeans who so protest American policies have ever thought about what ever happened to the people, family, children of people who died on 9/11? While standing near the North Tower of the World Trade Center on 9/11/2001 I saw a man and a woman holding hands jump to their death from 50th or 60th floor of the building. Have you ever seen that? How bad do you think it was up in those floors that a everyday man and a woman who simply went to work that fateful morning thought it was better for them to jump and try to save their lives than die up in the 60th floor? Would you like that choice in your life - leap and die or die by burning! Do you have it in you to make that choice? For the sake of this discussion, let's say either the man or the woman was married with a family. What do you say to his or her children? Do you have an answer because I don't. Living in New York City, I have talked to many people who continue to live with deep pain of having lost someone at the World Trade Center on 9/11. That pain never goes away. I admire your concern for the poor souls in Guantanamo, but my respect for you would be higher if you asked the survivors (the invisible faces) of 9/11 how their life is today. At least you will admit that everyone of those deaths were murder? Better yet how often do you vigorously ask the Arab world by killing innocent people who were no more than bond traders, mail room guys, chef and restaurant waiters, secretaries, office workers and tourists, what were they hoping to accomplish? And what was your reaction when the hostages that included a Japanese, Korean, American and few others were cruelly beheaded in Iraq? Did you have the same sense of outrage that you seem to have towards the U.S.?

No country is perfect and neither is the U.S. But we try hard. Everyday thousands of people are tortured, thrown into jail for no reason or women face miscarriages of justice all over the Middle East. The oppressive regimes of Arab countries do nothing but foster hatred. It is a region where honor killing of young women is common, yet America is the big bad wolf... huh! Yet I see no wide-spread protest all over Europe denouncing these unjust actions in the Middle East. But U.S. - the big bad wolf! Protest all the legitimate faults of the United States (and we have a lot). But 9/11 and Guantanamo is not one of them. While thousands of women are living in fear all over the Middle East, Europeans (mostly of leftist tilt) have decided that now is the good time to bash the United States. Nice! So no matter what we do, it is time to bash the U.S.

You ask me about jurisidiction and what laws they are accused of breaking and how soon does US plan to charge them... wow! Good questions. When was the last time you asked what laws are followed in these Middle Eastern countries when someone is thrown-in jail for opposing their government? Or what jurisdiction someone falls under when honor killing is performed in the name of family honor? Answers to those questions seem to be more of importance than what happens to 400 or so held at Guantanamo. How many people in Saudi Arabia or Iran do you think are persisting in jail for YEARS without a trial and did that make your blood boil or does that only happen if it involves the U.S. only? Be honest.

America is such a bad country that U.S. military lawyers who are assigned to each one of these prisoners have actually sued their own boss and commander-in-chief Pres Bush to question the legitimacy of military courts. These same people who you seem to think are so evil and holding outstanding citizens hostage in Guantanamo are actually suing their own President to make the trial process open and public! Oh ya... I can see that happen in the Middle East... it is such an open and fair place!
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_vi.../main500251.shtml?channel=60Sunday (go to the middle of the page and look for DEFENDING THE TERRORIST and watch the video)
"Ed Bradley reports on the plight of military lawyers who are assigned to defend suspects held at Guantanamo Bay."

While I am not a Pres Bush fan and I have many questions for him like most of you do... however, most of the people at Guantanamo were picked up in Afghanistan and some in Iraq who were allegedly engaged in various bombings, etc. Afghanistan was nothing but a hornet's nest for terrorists and anyone who refuses to believe that simply have their heads in the sand.

So clear up something for me... I clearly understand somehow America is the big bad wolf and we are the evil ones in the eye of the world. But what is this love affair between Europe and the Middle East? Last time I checked fundamentalist Muslims were bombing Madrid train riders, killing Dutch movie director, and kidnapping French journalists and Italian aid workers in Iraq and Afghanistan. I see... somehow terrorists hate Americans and not Europeans!

This is the last statement I will make on this subject.... unless you were in Manhattan on 9/11 and saw and felt everything that day, you will NEVER understand exactly what happened. And I will simply leave it at that. I did not join A.net for political discussions, rather for my love of commercial aviation. Frankly, I dislike when aviation related topics eventually degenrate into politics. So good luck to everyone who will continue to fight it out and establish your respective countries high standard of morality... I am going back to talking about airplanes!

Thank you!

Topic: RE: US Airliner Makes Emergency Landing At Tehran
Username: Schipholjfk
Posted 2005-06-24 09:08:55 and read 13483 times.

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 80):
And the misinformation continues...I think of those people in Guantanamo as people who are held there without being charged and without being tried. When these people are tried and convicted as terrorists then I hope they spend the rest of their lives there, but until that, their treatment is everything but civilized. Here's something else. These people were probably afghans and iraqis fighting for their country (or as instructed by their government) and nobody is being held there under suspicion of planning the attacks in NYC or Madrid. Last time I checked, the attacks on the WTC and the Pentagon were made by saudis. So before mentioning 9/11 again get your facts straight. As far as Europeans oppressing other people decades ago, I can't disagree with that. But at least Europeans have given up occupying foreign countries 60 years ago.

Sorry... but you have no clue about what you are talking about. Almost all of the people in Guantanamo were picked up in Afghanistan. And they are of many nationalities... including Brits, Australians, etc. Obvioulsy you have NO IDEA what Afghanistan was like before 9/11. There was no country... it was one giant training camp for the terrorists. In case you don't know... which you clearly don't... ONLY THREE COUNTRIES diplomatically recognized the government of Afghanistan (Talibans). No other country in the world recognized it... because it was a basketcase nation. People are being held at Guantanamo for possibly planning other terrorist attacks or for being a member of a terrorist organizations along with 9/11 suspects.

As for your occupying foreign countries 60 years ago statement... I will leave it unanswered as it is does not merit recognition.


And if you are so concerned about not being charged and held in jail... do me a favor. Show some courage... get on a plane to Tehran and let me see you protest infront of a jail in Iran where hundreds of people are languishing in jail without being charged for years. Don't like Iran... okay you want to travel to China? We can stand at Tiananmen Square in Beijing and protest people held in jail for years with no cause... you have the balls for that? Just give it up... show your real face and admit that no matter what U.S. does you will bash her forever. I will at least have respect for you if you showed your real self!

As for cruel treatment, here is what they are serving for food to the outstanding citizens of Guantanamo while the troops eat MRE:
Orange Glazed Chicken, Fresh Fruit Roupee, Steamed Peas and Mushrooms, Rice Pilaf

And this was the dinner menu for one of the suspect who is directly implicated in 9/11 attacks!

Oh ya... we treat them really poorly.


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