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Topic: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Chiguire
Posted 2005-07-02 22:13:44 and read 2940 times.

From 16 Dec on CO will increase CCS-EWR from one weekly (day 7) to 4xweekly again with 737.
This is good news for CCS as the one weekly service was defiently a joke !
Although we have a daily CCS-JFK with AA 757, I am happy to see CO increase the NYC service again.

BTW: CO is also operating CCS-IAH daily.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-07-02 22:23:16 and read 2914 times.

very good, buisness in Venezuela sees to be going very good beside the problems...

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Chiguire
Posted 2005-07-02 22:25:22 and read 2908 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 1):
beside the problems...

What are you talking about ?

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-07-02 22:26:45 and read 2905 times.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 2):
What are you talking about ?

political situation....

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Chiguire
Posted 2005-07-02 22:26:57 and read 2905 times.

BTW: Thank you for adding me to your RR list...danke !

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-07-02 22:31:04 and read 2898 times.

This is only a seasonal increase for two months to count for the heavier demand during the holiday season.

The new frequencies are effective 16 December 2005 through 14 February 2006.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Chiguire
Posted 2005-07-02 22:31:18 and read 2898 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 3):
political situation....

well, or President is mad... vomit 
But oil prices are very high and the economy is doing quite well. Some countries...like yours...would be happy to have a 2-digit growth....
And this is what makes airlines increase their service.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Avianca
Posted 2005-07-02 22:35:04 and read 2884 times.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 6):
well, or President is mad...
But oil prices are very high and the economy is doing quite well. Some countries...like yours...would be happy to have a 2-digit growth....
And this is what makes airlines increase their service.

regarding the president, I do not know as the television information is not always the best and the truth...

And yes germany would be more than happy with 2-digit growth or better to say with any grow...

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Lt-AWACS
Posted 2005-07-02 22:38:44 and read 2877 times.

Good news! Now to rant,

When I lived in Maracaibo it would have been nice to have Non-stop home to IAH.
When I go back to see amigos there it would be nice to have non-stop.

Hey CO, let's make it happen Big grin

sorry to digress.

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Capt-AWACS, Hermano bebe, que la vida es breve

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Chiguire
Posted 2005-07-02 22:43:54 and read 2870 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
This is only a seasonal increase for two months to count for the heavier demand during the holiday season.

Oh, MAH4546..is there something you don't know.....
I checked and you are again right ! It's an increase until Feb 12 to 4 weekly, until 19th to 3 and from there 1xweek. It's a shame....
Isn't there enough traffic for AA and CO ?

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Chiguire
Posted 2005-07-02 22:46:37 and read 2866 times.

Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 8):

When I lived in Maracaibo it would have been nice to have Non-stop home to IAH.

Long live Braniff...they used to operate CCS-MAR-MSY-IAH in the 80s...

BTW: CO CCS-EWR used to be daily at the start...but then came Chavez !

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-07-02 22:47:01 and read 2870 times.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 9):
Isn't there enough traffic for AA and CO ?

I would think so, but CO has never done well on Newark-Caracas. No idea why. The only reason they even fly it is because it uses a 737 that would otherwise sit on the tarmac during reduced weekend flying on business routes.

AA has a much stronger presence in Venezuela.

[Edited 2005-07-02 22:47:49]

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Dutchjet
Posted 2005-07-02 22:47:59 and read 2857 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
This is only a seasonal increase for two months to count for the heavier demand during the holiday season.

The new frequencies are effective 16 December 2005 through 14 February 2006.

Hopefully, its the first step in getting the EWR-CCS flight back towards a more schedule......CO has been flying the route once per week simply to hold on to the authority. CO has made it known that it would like to get the EWR-CCS back to a daily year round 73G service as soon as practical.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: SFOMEX
Posted 2005-07-02 22:48:38 and read 2854 times.

Having in mind that Mr. Chavez is not precisely fond of the USA, does his government have any say on the routes and frequencies fled by US airlines?

I think CCS is sorely underserved, considering the size of the country and its economic importance.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Chiguire
Posted 2005-07-02 22:51:08 and read 2849 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
AA has a much stronger presence in Venezuela.

That's true. And probably it's the reason. For IAH there is no choice, so you must take CO.
But AA has always be strong here. They have 4 daily CCS-MIA and one MAR-MIA. So they are better known. This might be the reason.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: RICARIZA
Posted 2005-07-02 23:00:13 and read 2839 times.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 6):
well, or President is mad...
But oil prices are very high and the economy is doing quite well. Some countries...like yours...would be happy to have a 2-digit growth....
And this is what makes airlines increase their service

The two digit growth is based compared with last year where the national strike caused terrible damages to the economy. Colombia has a steady 3-5% growth EVERY year, even with the internal conflict and not a single attempt to overthrow the government in decades...
The exchange rate used to be about 1 Bolivar for 10 Colombian pesos, now we are almost 1 to 1... and all the restrictions to buy dollars are very strict in your country.
I agree with Avianca, I will say there are many problems in a country not used to them..Venezuela had corrupt politicians but very high level of life..
The oil prices are very high now and that is helping the economy dramatically, that is true.

BTW and after all this non-aviation speech, I am glad about the news of CO increasing their routes to CCS, Venezuelans need more choices and I like that...

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: MIA
Posted 2005-07-02 23:03:39 and read 2825 times.

I am happy for CCS. This will help deflate prices to CCS during the holidays.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Chiguire
Posted 2005-07-02 23:15:42 and read 2814 times.

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 13):
I think CCS is sorely underserved, considering the size of the country and its economic importance.

Yes..there are some routes out of the US that are underserved or not served at all. Such as NYC-CCS, MCO-CCS, FLL-CCS. ORD-CCS, LAX-CCS.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 15):
The two digit growth is based compared with last year where the national strike caused terrible damages to the economy.

That's more than a year ago. So the growth is real. And this year we expect about 10% again.
On the one hand I hate to say that, because this is the fact supporting the mad guy, on the other hand it's good, because it brings us forward.

Quoting MIA (Reply 16):
I am happy for CCS. This will help deflate prices to CCS during the holidays.

At least that. But I hope to have that flight back on a daily basis soon. Or getting United back !

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 13):
Having in mind that Mr. Chavez is not precisely fond of the USA, does his government have any say on the routes and frequencies fled by US airlines?

Oh yes, it does ! They recently declined the traffic rights to AA for San Juan-Porlamar ! And I think there was the wish of Spirit to operate a FLL-CCS,. NK didn't even ask for it as they knew they would not get the rights from Venezuelan side.
Everything because Venezuela is in CAT II !

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: RICARIZA
Posted 2005-07-03 00:14:39 and read 2753 times.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 17):
That's more than a year ago

The strike has long term effects... a country without the Venezuelan strong economy would have collapsed with that strike...

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Luisde8cd
Posted 2005-07-03 02:30:56 and read 2698 times.

Hey great news!

I'm still waiting for CO to upgrade CCS to a 757 or even a 767. A close relative of mine is a OnePass Silver Elite because he flies CCS-IAH-CCS a lot. He tells me that the planes always go full, and considering the high yields, I think this flight must be a cash cow for CO.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 17):
Oh yes, it does ! They recently declined the traffic rights to AA for San Juan-Porlamar ! And I think there was the wish of Spirit to operate a FLL-CCS,. NK didn't even ask for it as they knew they would not get the rights from Venezuelan side.

Also I think AA dropped plans to start MIA-VLN (Valencia) after the San Juan - Porlamar reject.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 10):
Quoting Lt-AWACS (Reply 8):

When I lived in Maracaibo it would have been nice to have Non-stop home to IAH.

Long live Braniff...they used to operate CCS-MAR-MSY-IAH in the 80s...

Viasa also flew to IAH from MAR with DC-8s.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Dutchjet
Posted 2005-07-03 02:34:23 and read 2688 times.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 19):
Hey great news!

I'm still waiting for CO to upgrade CCS to a 757 or even a 767. A close relative of mine is a OnePass Silver Elite because he flies CCS-IAH-CCS a lot. He tells me that the planes always go full, and considering the high yields, I think this flight must be a cash cow for CO.

I would not expect an aircraft upgrade on this route - part of the reason that the yeilds are high is that seats are limited. A 738 is probably as big as CO will go on this route.

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Ancient history - didnt Delta once serve Caracas with a flight from New Orleans - I am going back about 30 years......I think that the flight operated only once or twice per week with a DC8.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Lt-AWACS
Posted 2005-07-03 05:48:33 and read 2610 times.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 19):
Viasa also flew to IAH from MAR with DC-8s.

Yeah, on my first move to Maracaibo in 1982-83 we flew the Viasa flight. THen it went away  Sad The non-stop would be a welcome addition again from IAH. But it is all about me on that one  Wink

Ciao, and Hook 'em Horns,
Capt-AWACS, Help me, Help you

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-07-03 06:39:37 and read 2579 times.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 19):

Also I think AA dropped plans to start MIA-VLN (Valencia) after the San Juan - Porlamar reject.

AA has not dropped plans to serve Valencia. They still want to, but are waiting for the market to be right, and, as mentioned, they will probably have trouble getting Venezuelan approval.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 20):

I would not expect an aircraft upgrade on this route - part of the reason that the yeilds are high is that seats are limited. A 738 is probably as big as CO will go on this route.

Very true. A large aircraft would kill the yields.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 20):
Ancient history - didnt Delta once serve Caracas with a flight from New Orleans - I am going back about 30 years......I think that the flight operated only once or twice per week with a DC8.

They definitley did. They also flew MSY-MAR at one point in the 1970s, IIRC.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Chiguire
Posted 2005-07-03 11:02:52 and read 2515 times.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 15):
The two digit growth is based compared with last year where the national strike caused terrible damages to the economy.



Quoting Chiguire (Reply 17):
That's more than a year ago. So the growth is real. And this year we expect about 10% again.



Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 18):
The strike has long term effects... a country without the Venezuelan strong economy would have collapsed with that strike...

This is off-topic, but I just wanted to make it clear. The general strike was in 2001/2002 (how time goes by !!). So if I say that we expect a growth of around 10% this year (2005) in comparison to 2004, the effects of the strike are simply gone. Here the development of the GDP:
2002: - 8,9%
2003: +18,5%
2004: +16,8%
So it is correct to say that the growth in 2003 was due to the decline in 2002 and 2001, but if we are talking about the expected growth of this year....
That is what I wanted to say by the effect was at least "one year ago".

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
AA has not dropped plans to serve Valencia.

I think we will very soon see a lot of airlines flying into Valencia. Not only AA, but CO, DL and the European airlines....
No I am not mad, but it looks like they will have to close CCS due to a bridge on the highway that connects the airport and port with the city of Caracas. This bridge is a very bad condition and could collapse every minute.
An as there is only one old road leading through the mountains, taking about 4-5 hours, they plan to divert the traffic to VLN and maybe to Maracay.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: MSYtristar
Posted 2005-07-03 15:06:43 and read 2481 times.

CO flew IAH-MSY-MAR with a 72S or 733 back in 1987. I have the flight schedule somewhere promoting that flight actually. I think it continued on to Caracas after MAR. If i'm not mistaken CO still has the route authority for MSY-MAR/CCS, but it's doubtful that they'll ever use it again.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Luisde8cd
Posted 2005-07-03 16:06:49 and read 2445 times.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 23):
The general strike was in 2001/2002 (how time goes by !!).

The strike started on December 3rd 2002 and ended in the 2nd week of February of 2003.

So what Chiguire is saying regarding the economy is true. The economy is growing, why?
high oil prices + presidential recall election = ridiculously HIGH public spending

Even with a lunatic on the presidency who wastes our money, it's impossible for the economy to not grow which such a large influx of cash because of the oil exports.

The reason of the Venezuelan growth is because of oil, not Chavez. If it wasn't for him, we might even be growing by 25-25%.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: N77014
Posted 2005-07-03 16:56:02 and read 2407 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
I would think so, but CO has never done well on Newark-Caracas. No idea why.

Since when does NYC have a venezuelan population justifiying daily service? With the population base in MIA, and IAH cornering the oil market, it makes sense for CO to use the route daily from IAH, absorbing connections and the significant O/D.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Chiguire
Posted 2005-07-03 17:31:02 and read 2391 times.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 25):
The strike started on December 3rd 2002 and ended in the 2nd week of February of 2003.

Well I guess now I need a doctor ! This is the second time I am wrong with those years ! I was not sure about them, so I check in Wikipedia...so there it's wrong.
So Luis, be sure, if you reach my age  old  this will happen to you as well.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 25):
we might even be growing by 25-25%.

I doubt that, but you are right, it would be higher.

VIASA was flying CCS-JFK daily, and PA as well ! VA with DC10 and PA with 747, later A300.
The reason was that during the 70s and 80s the Venezuelan loved to go shopping to NY. Since the devaluation in the mid 80s (I don't want to mention an exact year, Luis can do that), but I think it was 83, the number of passengers declined.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: TACAA320
Posted 2005-07-03 20:51:53 and read 2042 times.

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 13):
Having in mind that Mr. Chavez

Sorry for the correction my friend... Is Chaves.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Luisde8cd
Posted 2005-07-03 20:52:02 and read 2041 times.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 27):
Since the devaluation in the mid 80s (I don't want to mention an exact year, Luis can do that), but I think it was 83, the number of passengers declined.

You are correct Chiguire. Friday February 18th 1983 is regarded as Black Friday. That day the Bolivar/USD exchange rate jumped from 4,30 Bs/USD to around 7-8 bs/USD. In one moment everyone lost half of the value of their money. Nowdays, 22 years after the black friday the Bolivar/USD exchange rate is aprox 2700 Bs / USD. The Bolivar has devaluated 62800% 22 years. Amazing, huh?

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Chiguire
Posted 2005-07-03 22:05:28 and read 1898 times.

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 28):
Sorry for the correction my friend... Is Chaves.

Sorry for the correction my friend....it's Chavez.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Commavia
Posted 2005-07-03 22:07:34 and read 1891 times.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 23):
I think we will very soon see a lot of airlines flying into Valencia. Not only AA, but CO, DL and the European airlines....

Why would CO or DL ever fly to VLN? Is the market really big enough to support flights to ATL and EWR (and/or IAH)? MIA I could definitely see -- AA would have no problem filling a 738 on a regular basis. But ATL or EWR?

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Luisde8cd
Posted 2005-07-03 22:16:58 and read 1875 times.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 30):
Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 28):
Sorry for the correction my friend... Is Chaves.

Sorry for the correction my friend....it's Chavez

Sorry for the correction my friend... it's Chávez jejeje

Quoting Commavia (Reply 31):
Quoting Chiguire (Reply 23):
I think we will very soon see a lot of airlines flying into Valencia. Not only AA, but CO, DL and the European airlines....

Why would CO or DL ever fly to VLN? Is the market really big enough to support flights to ATL and EWR (and/or IAH)? MIA I could definitely see -- AA would have no problem filling a 738 on a regular basis. But ATL or EWR?

(Quoting Chiguire)
"No I am not mad, but it looks like they will have to close CCS due to a bridge on the highway that connects the airport and port with the city of Caracas. This bridge is a very bad condition and could collapse every minute.
An as there is only one old road leading through the mountains, taking about 4-5 hours, they plan to divert the traffic to VLN and maybe to Maracay."

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Chiguire
Posted 2005-07-03 22:22:38 and read 1867 times.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 31):
Why would CO or DL ever fly to VLN?

Maybe I was not clear enough in my previous post. But if the highway to Maiquetia airport is closed for regular traffic, then ALL airlines need either to cancell their flights or divert to another airport for a limited period of time. The nearest one would either be VLN or Maracay.
Of course there is not enough traffic for regular operations !

The diversion already took place about two years ago when the "Litoral" has some mudslides, killing thousands of people and leaving the road closed.
Many airlines, such as Alitalia and Avensa (from Madrid) flew to VLN. Lufthansa cancelled their services for that time.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Juventus
Posted 2005-07-04 15:14:30 and read 1718 times.

My friend Joe will be happy. He likes flying down there on MX, but he hates MEX airport.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: RICARIZA
Posted 2005-07-04 16:50:53 and read 1681 times.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 23):
the effects of the strike are simply gone. Here the development of the GDP:
2002: - 8,9%

Yeah you are right, I was thinking that the strike was on 2002-2003. That's an impressive growth.

Topic: RE: Continental Increases Caracas
Username: Lamedianaranja
Posted 2005-07-04 20:57:22 and read 1630 times.

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 27):
VA with DC10

And as I won't miss an opportunity to post some beautiful Viasa piccies:

ENJOY!

VA started out on this route with a Convair 880, interesting to note that the tie with KLM did already exist:

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Then for years they used the DC-8. I took this flight a couple of times:

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Followed by DC-10:

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Or even the A300 while they had it:

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