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Topic: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: TheSonntag
Posted 2005-07-12 12:53:21 and read 8130 times.

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/0,1518,364847,00.html (in German, sorry)

According to Spiegel.de, a Condor pilot maneuvered his B767 airplane with passengers onboard close to another airplane so he could make a photo of that airplane, as the pilot on board of the other airplane was making his last flight. However, he came very close to another airplane, so that the pilot of that airplane had to climb in order to avoid a collision. The Condor pilot has been suspended from work.

I am always very careful when Der Spiegel writes things like that, because Der Spiegel, although being one of the best magazines in the world, sometimes tends to report things in a obscure or exaggerated way. But if this story is true, it is rather alarming.

Michael

Topic: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Rick767
Posted 2005-07-12 12:58:40 and read 8093 times.

It is true, he got the wrong plane and came close to a Thomas Cook (UK) A330, his intended buddy was actually over 100nm ahead I believe.

Both Condor pilots suspended, quite rightly playing games like that.  Yeah sure

More info here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...34a987baeb39794405&threadid=181023

Topic: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Backfire
Posted 2005-07-12 13:26:56 and read 8007 times.

It's been on PPRuNe for at least a week, surprised no-one picked up on it earlier.

Topic: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Ricci767
Posted 2005-07-12 13:31:54 and read 7987 times.

Your wrong Rick767, according to today's Daily Mail it's a Thomas Cook 757 Airbus! And that the aircraft had to be at least 60 miles apart. Big grin

Topic: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: A340600
Posted 2005-07-12 13:37:11 and read 7974 times.

Quoting Ricci767 (Reply 3):
Your wrong Rick767, according to today's Daily Mail it's a Thomas Cook 757 Airbus! And that the aircraft had to be at least 60 miles apart

Yep, I just read that article, very funny considering the actual picture of the 75 said 'Boeing 757' on it. At least they got the pictures right, amazing!

This is a very stupid thing for a pilot to do. Quite right that he is suspended, how stupid,

Sam

Topic: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Rick767
Posted 2005-07-12 14:59:29 and read 7822 times.

Quoting Ricci767 (Reply 3):
Your wrong Rick767, according to today's Daily Mail it's a Thomas Cook 757 Airbus!

I stand corrected, if the Daily Mail said so it must be true! Big grin

Topic: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Birdwatching
Posted 2005-07-12 15:24:02 and read 7733 times.

So does he get priority screening? I do hope that we get to see that picture in the database soon!

Now that he's fired, he could make up for the loss through photosale on a.net... NOT!

Topic: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Mexicana757
Posted 2005-07-12 18:33:06 and read 7485 times.

BBC doesnt say what kind of aircraft they were. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4675413.stm
I guess now that pilot won't be taking anymore pictures from the cockpit for some time.

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Oldeuropean
Posted 2005-07-12 20:01:35 and read 7342 times.

I don`t understand, how someone can risk his job and licence with with such a big stupidity.  banghead 

Axel

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: USAir330
Posted 2005-07-12 20:08:02 and read 7318 times.

Hey if he wouldn't have got caught... I'm sure we would all be greatful if he shared the pic on airliners.net.

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2005-07-12 20:16:57 and read 7296 times.

Reminds me of a few years ago when an AR pilot (possibly AU) went out of the approach line to fly over the River Plate stadium, that at the time was packed since Argentina was playing Colombia for a WC qualifyer. Obviously the pilot was fired. Crazy world ....

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Bongo
Posted 2005-07-12 22:30:34 and read 7175 times.

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
The Condor pilot has been suspended from work.

He MUST be FIRED !

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 10):
since Argentina was playing Colombia for a WC qualifyer.

The Colombia 5, Argentina 0 game, back in 1.993?

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Matt
Posted 2005-07-12 22:45:26 and read 7160 times.

Both planes were bound for Canada on Friday, June 24. I figure the Condor flight (767) was DE 2062 operating FRA-YHZ. As for the Thomas Cook flight (757), it could have been LGW-YYZ, GLA-YYZ or MAN-YYZ (on Fridays).

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Birdwatching
Posted 2005-07-12 23:05:28 and read 7092 times.

Matt:

According to Spiegel.de:

The discussed plane was a Condor 767 with 234 pax going from FRA to YHZ, the other one was an English Thomas Cook 757 going from LGW to YYZ. Apparently, the pilot confused that plane for a different one. He thought it was a company plane, but actually it was that Thomas Cook 757 that got surprized by the approaching 767. Let's all blame it on Thomas Cook's paint schemes.

[Edited 2005-07-12 23:06:00]

[Edited 2005-07-12 23:06:36]

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: RODOL
Posted 2005-07-12 23:28:38 and read 7037 times.

That reminds me of an incident a few years back when a pilot 'buzzed' his house in Congleton, Cheshire in a 757 because it was his wifes' birthday. I'm fairly certain he was fired.

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: EZEIZA
Posted 2005-07-13 00:36:42 and read 6690 times.

Quoting Bongo (Reply 11):
The Colombia 5, Argentina 0 game, back in 1.993?

Hola Bongo,
In fact, it wasn't during that specific game because I remember the incident being during the day and the game was played at night. I tried to look uo for the correct game but have not had too much luck so far...

saludos
Beto

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: PADSpot
Posted 2005-07-13 00:52:43 and read 6561 times.

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
Der Spiegel, although being one of the best magazines in the world, sometimes

Well, that's basically a question of at which side of the fence you are ... but no questions asked: Whenever "normal" media report about aviation topics it quickly becomes adventurous ....

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: 3201
Posted 2005-07-13 06:40:04 and read 4883 times.

Nowhere near as much fun as this:

http://www.ntsb.gov/O_n_O/docs/AVIATION/4933.PDF

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: QANTASFOREVER
Posted 2005-07-13 06:44:46 and read 4857 times.

Quoting USAir330 (Reply 9):
Hey if he wouldn't have got caught... I'm sure we would all be greatful if he shared the pic on airliners.net.

Would ATC not have noticed the two aircraft in such close proximity?

Something tells me this guy didn't think it through.

QFF

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Goinv
Posted 2005-07-13 08:09:03 and read 4530 times.

There's no radar coverage over the Atlantic. Planes fly with procedural seperation. Something like at least sixty miles apart.

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Egmcman
Posted 2005-07-13 09:45:36 and read 4154 times.

Quoting Ricci767 (Reply 3):
Your wrong Rick767, according to today's Daily Mail it's a Thomas Cook 757 Airbus! And that the aircraft had to be at least 60 miles apart.

It said A330 in the article but had a picture of 757 is this the dumbest thing an airline pilot has done other than the intoxicated BA flight crew ?

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Jorge1812
Posted 2005-07-13 15:46:53 and read 3299 times.

It happenes in Canada were? YES
There were 2 Condor planes in Canada at the same time? PROBABLY
A Condor pilot had it's last flight not to Germany? NO

If it would be the last flight he surely would have flown to Germany. How to return the plane to Germany without a pilot on duty. Don't think they'll keep an extra pilot in the jumpseat just to fly the plane back.

Georg.

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Pelican
Posted 2005-07-13 17:28:09 and read 3213 times.

Quoting Jorge1812 (Reply 22):
A Condor pilot had it's last flight not to Germany? NO

Well, actually it turned out to be the last flight for a Condor pilot  Wink But I guess the pilot didn' know it would be his last flight.

pelicab

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2005-07-14 10:15:36 and read 2976 times.

Stupid Decision by the Pilot.His Job at the Time was to Fly the Aircraft.
Next time maybe they can hire a spotter plane for the shoot.
regds
MEL

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: LGW
Posted 2005-07-14 10:36:02 and read 2963 times.

Hi all,

Maybe if all the tour operators left each carrier in each contry to keep their identity, e.g Condor, as opposed to Thomas Cook, Hapag Lloyd and Britannia as opposed to TUI this would not have happened as he wouldnt have got confused!!  box 

Cheers

Ben Pritchard

Topic: RE: Condor Pilot Flies Close To Another Airplane
Username: Jorge1812
Posted 2005-07-14 22:55:25 and read 2718 times.

Quoting Pelican (Reply 23):

Well, actually it turned out to be the last flight for a Condor pilot {Wink} But I guess the pilot didn' know it would be his last flight.

Good one Pelican!!!


Georg.


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