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Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Aa777flyer
Posted 2005-07-08 02:30:58 and read 10266 times.

I just heard from a friend and a very reliable source within AA management that AA will begin to fly ORDDEL on 12/02/05 with a 777-223. Cool News!

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2005-07-08 02:36:47 and read 10235 times.

I would be surprised if this route launched before the planned ORD-PVG. Where is AA going to get the two (or would it be 3) 777's to serve this route?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: CHI787ORD
Posted 2005-07-08 03:02:53 and read 10182 times.

I doubt AA would fly this route. I thought UAL was considering flying ORD-DEL

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Commavia
Posted 2005-07-08 04:41:09 and read 10014 times.

I'll believe it when I see it. If, indeed, AA is going to fly ORD-DEL, I am very curious as to where they are going to get 2 777s from to run that rotation.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: TrappedInMKG
Posted 2005-07-08 05:08:27 and read 9953 times.

Great Circle Mapper shows ORD-DEL as 7484 miles. Do AA's 772s have the legs for that?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Ckfred
Posted 2005-07-08 05:19:08 and read 9923 times.

I think AA is taking delivery of a few 777s either this year or next year. From what a friend of mine has told me, any aircraft delivery that has been deferred can easily be "un-deferred". So, if AA needs more 777s, it can easily get production slots.

My guess is that AA will need to make a refueling stop, possibly at LHR, to maximize connecting opportunities. DL used to fly FRA to BOM/DEL, so there was a need to change planes.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2005-07-08 05:59:30 and read 9835 times.

Quoting TrappedInMKG (Reply 4):
Great Circle Mapper shows ORD-DEL as 7484 miles. Do AA's 772s have the legs for that?

the -200ER's should be able to do that without too many problems (according to the Boeing website).....

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Commavia
Posted 2005-07-08 06:09:36 and read 9825 times.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 5):
I think AA is taking delivery of a few 777s either this year or next year.

Correct. Two 777s are being delivered in February and will be used almost immediately on ORD-PVG which launches 2 April 05.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 5):
From what a friend of mine has told me, any aircraft delivery that has been deferred can easily be "un-deferred". So, if AA needs more 777s, it can easily get production slots.

This is true, but AA's CEO, Gerard Arpey, told me in the spring that AA is really focused right now on turning a profit and making the planes it already has profitable before they spend any money on new planes.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 5):
My guess is that AA will need to make a refueling stop, possibly at LHR, to maximize connecting opportunities. DL used to fly FRA to BOM/DEL, so there was a need to change planes.

There's no point in flying ORD-DEL with a 777 if it's going to make a stop. If a stop will be included in the routing, then the flight would probably be a daily 767-300 ORD-BRU-DEL. In addition, AA does not have rights to carrying passengers LHR-DEL, and thus a LHR stop would almost certainly be out of the question.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 6):
the -200ER's should be able to do that without too many problems (according to the Boeing website).....

I think AA's 777-200IGWs, with RR Trents, should be able to make ORD-DEL nonstop.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Jdaniel001
Posted 2005-07-08 06:22:54 and read 9780 times.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 2):
I doubt AA would fly this route. I thought UAL was considering flying ORD-DEL

UAL was awarded the route authority back in 2001 and still has it. They are supposed to use the 747's. However, due to full prices, etc., they have posponed the start.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Aa777flyer
Posted 2005-07-08 16:35:15 and read 9546 times.

I talked to my friend last night, and got some clarification. AA is finalizing cotracts in DEL right now, once all that is set, look for a formal announcement. Also it appears SJCNRT will be the casualty, and DFWFRA will downgrade to a 763, so there are your two airplanes.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: QQFLYER28
Posted 2005-07-08 16:50:10 and read 9491 times.

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 9):

Actually, wouldn't that be 4 777's? You need to 2 for SJC-NRT and 2 for DFW-FRA, so what are they going to do with the extra two?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Commavia
Posted 2005-07-08 17:00:20 and read 9461 times.

Quoting QQFLYER28 (Reply 10):
Actually, wouldn't that be 4 777's? You need to 2 for SJC-NRT and 2 for DFW-FRA, so what are they going to do with the extra two?

Both DFW-FRA and NRT-SJC can be done with the equivelant of 1 777 each.

I must say, though, that I still won't believe this until I see it.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Jdaniel001
Posted 2005-07-08 17:08:50 and read 9434 times.

So is UA selling their authority or is this a new route authority being issued?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2005-07-08 17:10:35 and read 9426 times.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 11):
I must say, though, that I still won't believe this until I see it.

I agree with Commavia (as I usually do). This seems out of character for AA right now. Although SJCNRT isn't the best transpacific flight for them, I can't seem them pulling the plug and losing the NRT slot to open a route to India.

But then I have been wrong before. So we shall see. If this were to happen this December, wouldn't a press release be coming very soon?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Gman3
Posted 2005-07-08 17:16:09 and read 9406 times.

We at UAL were awarded that route in 2001. We were supposed to start service on October 31, 2001. Due to the events of 911, the route was suspended.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Commavia
Posted 2005-07-08 17:39:21 and read 9355 times.

Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 12):
So is UA selling their authority or is this a new route authority being issued?

http://www.state.gov/e/eb/rls/prsrl/2005/44623.htm

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2005-07-08 18:08:17 and read 9303 times.

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 9):
Also it appears SJCNRT will be the casualty

I wouldn't be surprised if they ended this route...since the "dot.bomb" implosion, AA has downgraded their routes from SJC significantly....

I wish they would keep the route as the Bay Area has a massive Indian population, and with India having a large tech sector (hence ties to silicon valley), AA might have been able to serve serve SJC-DEL (but might be a bit of a stretch due to ETOPS and the Himalayans..)

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: CX750
Posted 2005-07-08 18:08:51 and read 9296 times.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 11):
Actually, wouldn't that be 4 777's? You need to 2 for SJC-NRT and 2 for DFW-FRA, so what are they going to do with the extra two?

I think DFWFRA would only be 1 shell (plus maitenance) , and SJC-NRT would be 2 shells. Operating ORDDEL requires a little over 2 shells if you account for maintenance, they'll probably throw in another domestic run to fully utilize the three B777s.

btw, I have heard the same from an insider - AA is looking at ORDDEL for Dec.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Aaway
Posted 2005-07-08 18:09:48 and read 9287 times.

Does seem unusual that AA would relinquish a NRT slot considering the effort AA has been exerting to obtain a (desirable) slot to start HNL-NRT-HNL. However, such a move - dropping SJC-NRT - would in likelihood pave the way for HNL-NRT. AA has until November to commence the route.



Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 1):
Where is AA going to get the two (or would it be 3) 777's

Which variant are the recently returned RG 777's? Which powerplants are they equipped with? Assuming this route info is factual, any opinions on whether AA might perhaps execute a lease for these planes if they're still available?

[Edited 2005-07-08 18:15:38]

[Edited 2005-07-08 18:21:26]

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Commavia
Posted 2005-07-08 19:14:44 and read 9110 times.

CX750 -- please read my whole reply in Reply 11.  Smile

This would definitely give AA a huge advantage over DL on their U.S.-CDG-India routings, and on NW on their U.S.-AMS-India routings. If, indeed, this happens, AA and CO will probably pick up a huge amount of U.S.-India traffic overnight because of the speed and convenience of overflying European hubs. In addition, they can probably demand at least a slight fare premium because of the speed and convenience.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-07-08 19:19:52 and read 9062 times.

What people have been saying here is also what I've heard.

ORD-DEL would start sometime in late 2005/early 2006. As for where the plane comes from, I've gotten two scenarios: SJC-NRT gone, slot goes to HNL-NRT, and DFW-FRA becomes a 763, or the 2nd MIA-EZE becomes a 763 again, which frees two 777s.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: CHI787ORD
Posted 2005-07-08 19:26:23 and read 8989 times.

What happened to the UAL & Air sahara codeshare for ORD-DEL?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2005-07-08 19:29:21 and read 8970 times.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 2):
I thought UAL was considering flying ORD-DEL

The problem is that UA just doesn't have the right equipment for this route.

Their 777-200ERs would smash into the ground long before reaching DEL from ORD with any good payload, and I don't know that they're confident they could operate the 744 with a sufficient load, although it could certainly perform the route with a few small restrictions.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 19):
This would definitely give AA a huge advantage over DL on their U.S.-CDG-India routings, and on NW on their U.S.-AMS-India routings.

Northwest could operate DEL nonstop from DTW or MSP with 744 equipment, again I think its a confidence problem with filling the airframe.

Delta is just screwed. They're in a bad position with their fleet, because their 777s could operate JFK-DEL no problem. Hell, one of their MD-11s should be able to operate the route fine, but they don't have them anymore (for no apparent reason). JFK-DEL isn't any further than LAX-HKG.

I don't really understand why its taken so long to get to this nonstop point between the USA and India. Most of the northern cities in the US have been reachable with the equipment we've had since the early 90s.

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Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: PRAirbus
Posted 2005-07-08 19:30:33 and read 8960 times.

Seems a bit too quick to start such a longhaul operation...I've heard AA and APA (Allied Pilots (AA Union) were in talks regarding a start-up date and test flight(s)...nothing official has been released due to competitive reasons. Also, not sure how they would go around hiring a few speaker FAs for the route since AA does not have any Hindi qualified speaker FAs. They cannot hire off the street yet due to contractual re-call rights of furloughees. I heard from AA Management they are very interested on serving India but would not rush into it. I guess we'll have to stay tuned. I am sure they could realign some 777s if necessary and start the route. Not sure if it would be nonstop or via Europe.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Ckfred
Posted 2005-07-08 20:30:34 and read 8603 times.

It seems to me that a ORD-DEL flight would do very well. There is a significant Indian population in the Chicago area, and a lot of employers in the area have either sent jobs or created jobs in India. So there is a potential for both leisure and business traffic.

My wife works with several Indians who go to visit relatives once or twice a year. Despite the downgrading of in-flight ammenities in domestic coach, U.S. carriers, both legacies and LCCs have far more reliable service than Air India. In other words, any U.S. carrier out of ORD could do very well out of ORD to India

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: BoeingFever777
Posted 2005-07-08 20:36:56 and read 8558 times.

That's a long flight I must say! Over 6,500 NM. Although I know the 772ER can go well over 7,500 NM.



Also where is AA going to get the metal for this? Do they have some 772ER's coming from Boeing soon? I know they still have (9) unfilled slots for this a/c.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
SJC-NRT gone, slot goes to HNL-NRT, and DFW-FRA becomes a 763, or the 2nd MIA-EZE becomes a 763 again, which frees two 777s.

I thought SJC-NRT is profitable for AA? Why would they ditch this in order to launch a new route? Are they seeing bigger {$} on the ORD-DEL route?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2005-07-08 20:42:01 and read 8518 times.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 25):
I thought SJC-NRT is profitable for AA? Why would they ditch this in order to launch a new route? Are they seeing bigger {$} on the ORD-DEL route?

I hope they don't ditch it, as the -200ER flies over my house occasionally... biggrin ..what a BEAUTIFUL sight to see!!  yes 

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Ckfred
Posted 2005-07-08 20:46:01 and read 8486 times.

I was of the opinion that AA was still looking at starting ORD-HKG. Is that routes still being considered, is does ORD-DEL make that route a non-starter?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Commavia
Posted 2005-07-08 21:01:27 and read 8407 times.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 27):
I was of the opinion that AA was still looking at starting ORD-HKG. Is that routes still being considered, is does ORD-DEL make that route a non-starter?

I personally think that we will see an ORD-HKG route by AA once new 777s start arriving (in 2013!). The route just makes so much sense for so many reasons, and I think it would work perfectly if they continued it on to SIN. The only problem with ORD-HKG, however, is that, unlike any of AA's Japan routes, it would require 3 full 777s to run a daily operation. That's a huge commitment of aircraft that AA simply doesn't have right now as it is so desperately short of 767 and 777 capacity. Long-term, though, I definitely think ORD-HKG will become a reality.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: FLY777UAL
Posted 2005-07-08 21:02:23 and read 8395 times.

AA won't have the ability to fly a direct over-the-pole GC route because of the restrictions over the Himalayas, correct? So in this case, will they have to swoop over Norway at about Bodo and then...maybe Kabul and Lahore on their way to Deli? Almost following CO's EWR-DEL GC route?



Can anyone confirm?

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L

[Edited 2005-07-08 21:03:39]

[Edited 2005-07-08 21:06:15]

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: CX750
Posted 2005-07-08 21:05:24 and read 8371 times.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 19):
CX750 -- please read my whole reply in Reply 11.

Sorry, missed the last line. You are correct, 1 shell each.

To the topic overall, AA's B777s are premium heavy, and although ORD-DEL should attract some premium traffic, the route's profitability will be dependent on the Y-cabin.

I still figure B744 is the best aircraft for this route, but who knows. I would imagine AA and CO would have to take a weight hit for ORD/EWR-DEL.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: AA777223ER
Posted 2005-07-08 21:55:05 and read 8158 times.

Interesting news. The rumors on the line a couple months back was that we would be serving Indian via connections in BRU, as we had secured rights to fly to any city in India from BRU. It was covered a bit in the following thread:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2028672

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what gets announced soon.

Regards,

AA777223ER

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Aa777jr
Posted 2005-07-09 19:12:32 and read 7168 times.

I like the idea of AA using their NRT slot for a HNL-NRT run, but isn't the SJC-NRT route doing well still? Would AA use 763 on HNL-NRT?

I have also heard the same regarding the ORD-DEL flight. AA is in negotiations with India and also the pilots. The length of the flight is a problem ($) and they are ironing it out.

As stated, the still rumor is a good one, with passengers being able to skip over busy European hubs. AA should do very well on this.

Regards.

I talked with my buddy that is with AA. He said the pilots and their union (APA) have already reached an agreement to pay them for ORD-DEL set to kick off Dec 2nd, 2005.

[Edited 2005-07-09 19:15:56]

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Eyeonthesky17
Posted 2005-07-09 19:44:35 and read 7154 times.

I'd be surprised to see AA start ORDDEL so soon. While F and C would sell out instantaneously, filling a 772 in Y class without European originating/ destined traffic can be very tricky. CO may face this problem when starting EWRDEL in November. More than likely, a good deal of economy will be sold at junk prices.

LH's success and continuing growth into India has definitely been because of US and European originating passengers. Also, UA feeds these routes through FRA and MUC. DL should be able to support JFKMAA because of other AF & DL feeder into CDG. NW and AF/KL are also increasing India (BLR) service this fall and will use AMS and CDG as connecting points for US based passengers. Jet Airways also recognizes the value and necessity of a European connection with the proposed EWR-BRU-BOM route.

AA and UA should sit by and watch how CO handles EWRDEL before starting any nonstop service to India.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2005-07-09 20:38:50 and read 7096 times.

It still doesn't make sense to me why a slot would be moved from SJCNRT to HNLNRT, a route already served by 3 airlines (NW, UA, JL) with multiple flights a day. I understand the whole yield argument, but is a leisure market like HNL more likely to generate higher yields than SJC even if it is not performing as strongly as other NRT flights? And yes AA has been withdrawing out of more and more SJC markets almost monthly, but they still have feed from LAS, LAX, SNA, AUS, DFW, ORD and SAN which has to add bodies to each flight albeit not a lot.

As much as I would like to see ORDDEL I would hate for it to be at the expense of SJCNRT. I would like to think AA would find a way to increase their 777 fleet to keep up with their international expansion as opposed to reallocating exsisting flights. I know they don't have the money per se to acquire more 777's this year....just wishful thinking.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: UnitedFirst
Posted 2005-07-09 21:50:12 and read 7053 times.

Interesting news. The rumors on the line a couple months back was that we would be serving Indian via connections in BRU, as we had secured rights to fly to any city in India from BRU. It was covered a bit in the following thread:

This sounds the most feasible to me. Everyone's saying that AA will pull the plug on SJC-NRT for HNL-NRT – but I can't imagine that they would place 767-300s on HNL-NRT, and place the 777s with ORD-DEL. Introducing a new aircraft to Narita, as well as not providing 3-class service, especially when all of its competitors on the route are, does not seem like a legitimate plan.

In regards to operating India via BRU, AA can easily use a 767-300, and market the flight in cooperation with SN Brussels. This seems like the safest & most feasible way for them to jump into India without excessive risk.

Derek

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Dutchjet
Posted 2005-07-09 22:16:01 and read 7001 times.

Is the US-India market going to get a bit crowded? The new CO and possibly AA nonstop 777s, Jet Airways getting ready to launch service hopefully by the end of the summer, Air India expanding after so many years, etc., etc., not to mention the existing NW/KL flights and the DL flights. I realize that US-India is a large market, and has probably been underserved for years, but is it wise for all of these airlines to jump in at the same time?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Shawnnyc
Posted 2005-07-09 22:49:08 and read 6972 times.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 24):
Despite the downgrading of in-flight ammenities in domestic coach, U.S. carriers, both legacies and LCCs have far more reliable service than Air India. In other words, any U.S. carrier out of ORD could do very well out of ORD to India

Not true. US carriers are not know in India for good food or in flight entertainment. AA will be stealing pax more so from LH and BA then from AI (AI's Biz class is like half the $ of LH, DL, etc and attracts a differnt customer). AA's advantage will be its ff program that Indian-Americans will really value (and they are the higher yielding of the tourist pax) and the nonstop flight. For AA to be competitive look for a large component of Indian crew and Indian food and IFE on the flight. AA will have huge connecting traffic potential. Indians live all over america, and AA has great US and Canada reach out of ORD. AA should also try and have the flight land and take off at a reasonable time in DEL. There are many people who would like to arrive India at time other than 12am and leave at 3am.

Quoting Jdaniel001 (Reply 12):
So is UA selling their authority or is this a new route authority being issued?

India and US have open skies. Anyone can fly the route. Also AA can stop in LHR, BRU or where ever in europe if they want.

Quoting CX750 (Reply 30):
To the topic overall, AA's B777s are premium heavy, and although ORD-DEL should attract some premium traffic, the route's profitability will be dependent on the Y-cabin.

Well filling Y should not be a problem if it is priced right. India-US traffic is almost year round peak season (may be a total of three months in the year are slow). If first and business are full at the prices AA charges, won't the flight do well? I have been on many flights NYC-EZE and coach was empty but the front was full. AA just needs to market the flight to Indian-Americans on the local Indian-American tv shows. Delta and NW do like zero marketing to the group that should be their loyal customers. I have never understood that.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: CHI787ORD
Posted 2005-07-10 01:17:23 and read 6888 times.

Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 37):
AA should also try and have the flight land and take off at a reasonable time in DEL. There are many people who would like to arrive India at time other than 12am and leave at 3am.

AA should try to make landfall around 3AM-5AM Indian Time, this way, they can make reasonable connections with exisiting Air India & Indian Airlines flights to local markets such as Ahmedabad, Amritsar, Agra, Lucknow, etc...

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: SW733
Posted 2005-07-10 01:25:24 and read 6862 times.

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 29):
AA won't have the ability to fly a direct over-the-pole GC route because of the restrictions over the Himalayas, correct?

This is exactly what I was thinking...isn't there some restriction that the aircraft must have four jets to cross the Himalayas? I thought I remembered reading that in a thread a long time back, but I could be wrong. But if I am right, wouldn't that completely rule out any chance of an ORD - DEL nonstop by AA as they have no jets that fit that rule (while UA, of course, does)?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2005-07-10 07:16:53 and read 6749 times.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 39):
This is exactly what I was thinking...isn't there some restriction that the aircraft must have four jets to cross the Himalayas? I thought I remembered reading that in a thread a long time back, but I could be wrong. But if I am right, wouldn't that completely rule out any chance of an ORD - DEL nonstop by AA as they have no jets that fit that rule (while UA, of course, does)?

it shouldn't be a problem for AA if they fly that route, as they will basically avoid the Himalayan range, in fact, they would fly most probably over parts of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, etc..and no, I do not foresee a "terrorist" problem with AA flying over those countries..

if they try it the other way around (the way you mentioned), I think they would have ETOPS problems

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Jasepl
Posted 2005-07-10 07:28:39 and read 6742 times.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 40):
they would fly most probably over parts of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, etc..and no, I do not foresee a "terrorist" problem with AA flying over those countries..

There probably isn't a 'terrorist' problem, certainly. But American carriers were forbidden from overflying most, if not all, of the 'Stans. I think this prohibition is still in force.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Nimish
Posted 2005-07-10 13:25:03 and read 6661 times.

Is it possible to get miles on low economy fares with AAdvantage? If yes, that would definitely help get the existing AAdvantage members onto these flights. DEL seems like it's getting both the US non-stops, which is very good for the large amounts of VFR traffic between the US and India.

Are there any indications of the schedule as yet?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Ckfred
Posted 2005-07-10 20:42:20 and read 6541 times.

I know some AA employees who think Arpey is trying to fool AA's competitors, by saying it won't buy more planes of any kind, until AA makes money.

They fully agree that until AA is profitable, it shouldn't buy any more 737s, even though the MD-80s are getting older, and AA could sorely use a 100-seat plane to fill in the gap between the CRJ and the MD-80.

But, the 767s and 777s are making money flying to Europe, Asia, and South America. They think that any time AA sees a good opportunity for an international route, particularly a longer route, such as ORD-DEL or ORD-HKG, management will take delivery of more 777s.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2005-07-10 20:44:59 and read 6536 times.

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 41):
There probably isn't a 'terrorist' problem, certainly. But American carriers were forbidden from overflying most, if not all, of the 'Stans. I think this prohibition is still in force

very interesting, i'm curious to see how they pull this route if it goes nonstop..regardless..i would take it...

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Aa777flyer
Posted 2005-07-11 17:51:46 and read 6496 times.

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 43):
I know some AA employees who think Arpey is trying to fool AA's competitors, by saying it won't buy more planes of any kind, until AA makes money.

They fully agree that until AA is profitable, it shouldn't buy any more 737s, even though the MD-80s are getting older, and AA could sorely use a 100-seat plane to fill in the gap between the CRJ and the MD-80.

But, the 767s and 777s are making money flying to Europe, Asia, and South America. They think that any time AA sees a good opportunity for an international route, particularly a longer route, such as ORD-DEL or ORD-HKG, management will take delivery of more 777s.

I could not agree more. I also think that if Mr. Boeing came to AA with a kick ass deal on the 787 (lease) he would take it.

AA does have a aging problem comming up. Its MD80's are not getting any younger nor are the 762's. The A300's dont really fit in, so where does that leave them. Sooner or later AA will have to do something to mondernize their fleet. The MD80's are much less efficient than the 737NG and the A320's, so this puts AA at a competitive disadvantage.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-07-11 17:54:54 and read 6472 times.

Quoting Aa777flyer (Reply 45):
AA does have a aging problem comming up. Its MD80's are not getting any younger nor are the 762's. The A300's dont really fit in, so where does that leave them. Sooner or later AA will have to do something to mondernize their fleet. The MD80's are much less efficient than the 737NG and the A320's, so this puts AA at a competitive disadvantage.

Many of the MD80s and A300s are not that old. The youngest A300 is 12 and the youngest MD80 is seven.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Slider
Posted 2005-07-11 18:04:14 and read 6442 times.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 22):
I don't really understand why its taken so long to get to this nonstop point between the USA and India.

Aeropolitics and the lack of a bilateral. India is finally getting off dead center with their aviation policies, which have been prohibitive to say the least, especially the extreme taxation, which has heretofore stymied growth.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 39):
isn't there some restriction that the aircraft must have four jets to cross the Himalayas?

I don't know...but it didn't stop the ferries going over the Hump back in the day!  Smile

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: NYCAAer
Posted 2005-07-11 18:06:56 and read 6435 times.

I'm surprised to read AA is interested in DEL. We have been hearing in the company rumor mill that AA is far more interested in serving BOM, because it is the financial capital of India. That was AA's logic for starting its new China service next year to PVG, as opposed to PEK.

One thing I do know is AA still goes after the business traveler on its long haul international routes far more than it seeks out leisure traffic. This would be a change in strategy for American.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Shawnnyc
Posted 2005-07-11 18:22:41 and read 6403 times.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 48):
I'm surprised to read AA is interested in DEL. We have been hearing in the company rumor mill that AA is far more interested in serving BOM, because it is the financial capital of India. That was AA's logic for starting its new China service next year to PVG, as opposed to PEK.

I think it is because of aircraft range. They would need a 777LR to make it ORD-BOM. But you are right, premium traffic is much stronger to BOM. I think AA just wants to get into the game before others launch. For instance, if Jet or Sahara launches nonstops DEL-ORD, my guess is that AA would have much less incentive to start the route especially if one of those airlines joins Oneworld.

The one good thing AA has going for it with the leisure traffic is its FF program. Right now you can't really buy a discounted ticket on BA to India as you won't earn AA miles on the US-LHR portion. You have to buy the usually more expensive AA + BA ticket. Plus with Swiss leaving Oneworld, their really is no option ff wise to India. So if you are an AA ff flyer the ORD-DEL flight is great for you.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Timz
Posted 2005-07-11 18:51:42 and read 6352 times.

"isn't there some restriction that the aircraft must have four jets to cross the Himalayas?"

Maybe somewhere in this thread you'll find the straight dope-- along with a lot of crooked dope:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/1922180

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Egghead
Posted 2005-07-11 19:16:16 and read 6312 times.

Quoting Jasepl (Reply 41):
But American carriers were forbidden from overflying most, if not all, of the 'Stans.

Good thing our carriers don't know they are flying to HinduSTAN  Wink

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Kevi747
Posted 2005-07-11 19:19:27 and read 6306 times.

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 23):
Also, not sure how they would go around hiring a few speaker FAs for the route since AA does not have any Hindi qualified speaker FAs. They cannot hire off the street yet due to contractual re-call rights of furloughees.

Maybe they would hire "Flight Service Directors" like we have on our flights to Haiti. They are non-union management people, but are jumpseat qualified. They aren't really considered part of the cabin crew, but they make the PA announcements and assist PAX with filling out customs forms.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: B747-437B
Posted 2005-07-12 00:10:04 and read 6199 times.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 38):
AA should try to make landfall around 3AM-5AM Indian Time

That would mean departing from Chicago approximately 2am-4am local time there, which in turn would mean very unfavorable domestic connections on that end.

AA's initial slot requests from the authorities in India were for approximately 1130pm arrivals and 130am departures, corresponding to a late evening departure from Chicago and early morning arrival.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-07-12 03:45:59 and read 6136 times.

Rumour has it that there will be a PR announcing ORD-DEL out tomorrow. And AA will be flying to Mumbai too in 2006, though via Europe (probably Brussels).

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: NomoreRJs
Posted 2005-07-12 04:12:09 and read 6079 times.

ORD to DEL: Leave around 7:00 pm arrive around 8:00 pm.
DEL to ORD: Leave around 12:00 am arrive around 5:00 am.

This would work nicely. ORD to DEL can be adjusted for alliance connections (if once should develop).

Just my 2 cents.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: CHI787ORD
Posted 2005-07-12 05:20:43 and read 6036 times.

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 53):
AA's initial slot requests from the authorities in India were for approximately 1130pm arrivals and 130am departures, corresponding to a late evening departure from Chicago and early morning arrival.

Hmmmm, How does DEL handle the capacity when it only has one runway and like 7 gates? That time is peak for almost all flights @ DEL isn't it?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Airish
Posted 2005-07-12 12:29:30 and read 5935 times.

It looks like Air Sahara will code-share on the flight.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/businessline/blnus/09121306.htm

One starts to think that with a commercial partnership with AA and a Memorandum of Understanding with BA

http://www.airsahara.net/airsahara/agreenew.jsp

Does Air Sahara have plans to join oneworld.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: B747-437B
Posted 2005-07-12 12:48:11 and read 5924 times.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 56):
How does DEL handle the capacity when it only has one runway and like 7 gates?

The airport has 2 runways (09/27 and 10/28) and 75 parking bays allowing passenger terminal access (54 domestic, 21 international inc. 9 airbridges).

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: FlyMIA
Posted 2005-07-12 14:23:22 and read 5879 times.

Here is the Chicago Tribune article. Daily non-stop service starts 15 November 2005.

Amazing to think that as recently as March, AA flew to one city in Asia, Tokyo. Tweleve months later, in April 2006, AA will be flying to five - Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka, Shanghai, and Delhi - and I can confirm that service to Mumbai will be launched in late 2006.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: NYCAAer
Posted 2005-07-12 15:03:53 and read 5846 times.

Interesting that the Chicago Tribune got the scoop, including statements from AA management. It's not with any of the news wires like AP or Reuters as of yet.

The international crew base in Chicago sure is growing! The Chicago crews will have lots of variety.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-07-12 15:18:48 and read 5829 times.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 60):
The international crew base in Chicago sure is growing! The Chicago crews will have lots of variety.

Yes, but not all the flights are operated by Chicago-based crews.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Aa777flyer
Posted 2005-07-12 15:33:46 and read 5806 times.

I hate to bash all the nay sayers in the early part of this thread....But I told you so!

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: NYCAAer
Posted 2005-07-12 15:51:10 and read 5774 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 61):
Yes, but not all the flights are operated by Chicago crews.

Currently, the the only long haul international flight out of ORD not operated by a Chicago crew is one of the 5 daily ORD-LHR flights, which is flown with a MIA-based crew as a 6-day trip. That still leaves 4 more LHR trips flown by crews out of ORD. Plus they have all the other destinations.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Jasepl
Posted 2005-07-12 15:52:17 and read 5774 times.

Quoting Egghead (Reply 51):
Good thing our carriers don't know they are flying to HinduSTAN

Ha ha! You Americans were never any good at geography! Besides, the rule only says you can't overfly the 'Stans. Nothing about flying to a 'Stan!  Smile

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-07-12 16:57:46 and read 5704 times.

Service announced:
http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pressReleases/2005_07/12_delhi.jhtml

Schedule:
AA 292 ORD 2110-2305+1 DEL 772 Daily
AA 293 DEL 0130-0555 ORD 772 Daily

Great news!

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2005-07-12 17:06:24 and read 5677 times.

Do we know which flights are losing 777's to accommodate the DEL flight?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Incitatus
Posted 2005-07-12 17:23:39 and read 5645 times.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 66):
Do we know which flights are losing 777's to accommodate the DEL flight?

The aircraft leaves Chicago at 9 pm and returns at 6 am two nights later. Chicago already had an AA 777 sitting overnight to serve the morning departure to London at 9 am, so in effect the India service only requires one extra aircraft.

The strategy of Air India of connecting passengers in Frankfurt just suffered another blow.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Shawnnyc
Posted 2005-07-12 17:28:44 and read 5635 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 65):
AA 292 ORD 2110-2305+1 DEL 772 Daily
AA 293 DEL 0130-0555 ORD 772 Daily

So its about a 3+ hour savings each direction over a fast onestop (think I did that right). I don't know about the timings they chose. I wish they would have arrived DEL a bit earlier. This means very few onward Indian connection until the morning. Plus no competitive differenciation with the Euro airlines...once AGAIN arrive India at 11pm and leave at 1:30am (the departure isn't that bad as you get into ORD at 6am).

Going by AA's timings, I think an Indian carrier should try depart ORD at 10am arrive DEL at 12noon. Depart DEL at 12:30am arriving ORD at 5am. This way you would have ample connections on both directions. Not to mention that many Indians are picked up at the airport and drive long distances to their home towns (so a morning arrival would help).

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: KKMolokai
Posted 2005-07-12 17:38:52 and read 5614 times.

AA, APA Agree On Extended Long-Haul Flying

As part of their shared goal to position American Airlines to compete effectively in the global air travel market, American and the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the union representing American's pilots, today announced they have reached an Agreement to allow American Airlines to begin non-stop flights between Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD) and Indira Gandhi International Airport (DEL) in Delhi, India.

Service is scheduled to begin later this year, pending slot procurement. Negotiations for acceptable slots are now underway with airport authorities in India.

The agreement further strengthens AA's global network and provides additional long-haul flying opportunities for American pilots.

"This is another success for the Working Together process that has enabled us to work collaboratively toward restoring American Airlines to sustained profitability, improving shareholder returns and building financial stability, which benefits the company, its employees and our customers," said Gerard Arpey, Chairman and CEO, American Airlines.

"We're pleased AA has chosen to expand into the second-fastest growing air travel market in the world," said Captain Ralph Hunter, APA President. "We believe American has to be a truly global airline to thrive over the long term, and this agreement is a big step towards that goal."

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Sshank
Posted 2005-07-12 17:41:34 and read 5603 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 65):
AA 292 ORD 2110-2305+1 DEL 772 Daily
AA 293 DEL 0130-0555 ORD 772 Daily

So its about a 3+ hour savings each direction over a fast onestop (think I did that right). I don't know about the timings they chose. I wish they would have arrived DEL a bit earlier. This means very few onward Indian connection until the morning.

Yep - this is unfortunate. They will have to make do with just the O&D to DEL. Any one connecting to other destinations in India is going to end up spending the night at DEL - not an happy prospect.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2005-07-12 18:16:26 and read 5552 times.

As said the timing is partially due to the aircraft limitations, specifically the limited supply of 777's.

In Nov, ORD-LHR goes back to 4 daily flights, with 1 morning departure. 3 777's RON in ORD, primarily for line maintenance. They supply the morning LHR, NRT, and NGO flights the next day. The addition of the ORD-DEL flight will take 1 of the RON aircraft and have another return in the early morning to fly back to LHR, NRT, or NGO with about 3 hr ground time for LHR, or 5 hours for the Japan flights.

This means that AA only needs to dig up one additional 777, which likely means that SJC-NRT is still intact, and RDU-LGW will remain a 777.

AA is more concerned about getting the US-based passengers to/from India, and less concerned about capturing beyond DEL traffic. Hence it is timed more so for connections in ORD.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2005-07-12 18:33:28 and read 5507 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 71):

AA is more concerned about getting the US-based passengers to/from India, and less concerned about capturing beyond DEL traffic. Hence it is timed more so for connections in ORD.

I agree. The dynamics between US-India have changed with the advent of these new non-stop flights. Those flights via Europe will be the ones who suffer. CO and AA will enjoy the best yields to India so the need to connect people to Mumbai, Kolkata etc. is minimal.

Good job AA! It seems AA and CO are going to be in their own international race of sorts - to India & China, 757 across the Atlantic, IAH vs. MIA to Latin America, etc.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: CHI787ORD
Posted 2005-07-12 18:40:52 and read 5489 times.

I would've loved to UA livery once again at DEL. Oh well, let this be a message to UA: you snooze you lose.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2005-07-12 18:45:08 and read 5484 times.

Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 68):
Going by AA's timings, I think an Indian carrier should try depart ORD at 10am arrive DEL at 12noon. Depart DEL at 12:30am arriving ORD at 5am. This way you would have ample connections on both directions. Not to mention that many Indians are picked up at the airport and drive long distances to their home towns (so a morning arrival would help).



Quoting Sshank (Reply 70):
So its about a 3+ hour savings each direction over a fast onestop (think I did that right). I don't know about the timings they chose. I wish they would have arrived DEL a bit earlier. This means very few onward Indian connection until the morning.

Yep - this is unfortunate. They will have to make do with just the O&D to DEL. Any one connecting to other destinations in India is going to end up spending the night at DEL - not an happy prospect.

those were my thoughts exactly..if the flight arrived in the afternoon early evening, I could have made my connecting flights to say KHI..but it seems difficult, and I'm not too keen about sitting in DEL for 10 hours overnight.. such a long amount of time..  Sad

they need to fix that schedule up a bit.....

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Airlinerfreak
Posted 2005-07-12 18:50:17 and read 5469 times.

Quoting Sshank (Reply 70):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 65):
AA 292 ORD 2110-2305+1 DEL 772 Daily
AA 293 DEL 0130-0555 ORD 772 Daily

Just a question, what happens to the 777 in the 18 hours that it has off? Will the fly it on a filler route like lets say ORD-LAX-ORD which would be smart since every ORD flight is filled already and all the frequent fliers would love to see this.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Shawnnyc
Posted 2005-07-12 18:51:44 and read 5464 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 71):
AA is more concerned about getting the US-based passengers to/from India, and less concerned about capturing beyond DEL traffic. Hence it is timed more so for connections in ORD.

I understand the aircraft limitation. That aside, if you are trying to compete against the Euro airlines, a earlier arrival would have been better (say 9pm). The problem for DEL based people is the late arrivals of N. American flights means families have to come to the airport late, car drivers have to stay for overtime and then some how get home. It would have been a pleasure to arrive DEL at a decent time (it is also safer). Not putting your family out is worth a $100 premium in my book. I was hoping the nonstops would correct some of the wacky scheduling that resulted in Indian flights having to connect with Europe-USA flights...but oh well. Still like the nonstop though and hope AA the best. I really hope an Indian airline thinks out of the box of US nonstop flight timings.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: CHI787ORD
Posted 2005-07-12 18:52:49 and read 5462 times.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 74):
those were my thoughts exactly..if the flight arrived in the afternoon early evening, I could have made my connecting flights to say KHI..but it seems difficult, and I'm not too keen about sitting in DEL for 10 hours overnight.. such a long amount of time..

they need to fix that schedule up a bit.....

mmmm.... I agree. AA and other US carriers need to realize that many Indians are now opting to fly from secondary markets: Ahmedabad, Amritsar, Bangalore, Hyderabad, etc.. by making decent connection times to some of the most common local markets, they will be able to attract more passengers.

They should atleast in my opinion try to make a connection for a flight to ATQ, as already there is a strong Punjabi population in Chicago and surrounding areas (Milwaukee, and farther away @ Detroit), and Punjabi travellers are always in abundance at DEL.

These times arent official yet though at something tells me that AA will not get this slot at DEL. the midnight hour is already crowded as it is, I think the AA flight will most likely be either pushed to around a 2AM arrival at DEL or a 8-9PM arrival.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: CHI787ORD
Posted 2005-07-12 18:55:40 and read 5447 times.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 77):
is a strong Punjabi population in Chicago and surrounding areas

A connection to Ahmedabad would be good to. Don't worry, I won't forget about you Chi-town Gujus!

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2005-07-12 19:17:31 and read 5430 times.

Quoting Airlinerfreak (Reply 75):
Just a question, what happens to the 777 in the 18 hours that it has off? Will the fly it on a filler route like lets say ORD-LAX-ORD which would be smart since every ORD flight is filled already and all the frequent fliers would love to see this.

See my previous post.....the 777's are not dedicated specifically for this route. They will be used to fly other routes. An aircraft that arrived earlier in the afternoon from either LHR, NRT, NGO, or the positioning flight will turn around and depart for DEL. The inbound aircraft the next morning will then turn around and fly to LHR, NRT, or NGO later on that morning. This flight will reduce the number of 777's that remain overnight in ORD. Its all one big shuffle of aircraft availability as well as building in time for scheduled maintenance and cleaning.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Incitatus
Posted 2005-07-12 19:23:46 and read 5410 times.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 72):
Good job AA! It seems AA and CO are going to be in their own international race of sorts - to India & China, 757 across the Atlantic, IAH vs. MIA to Latin America, etc.

It used to be the race was American against United. A sign of bankruptcy slowly taking its toll that Continental replaces United as a contender for leadership in international service?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-07-12 19:25:44 and read 5404 times.

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 80):
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 72):
Good job AA! It seems AA and CO are going to be in their own international race of sorts - to India & China, 757 across the Atlantic, IAH vs. MIA to Latin America, etc.

It used to be the race was American against United. A sign of bankruptcy slowly taking its toll that Continental replaces United as a contender for leadership in international service?

There never was a race to be #1 to Latin America. AA is so far ahead of anybody it isn't even funny. The only race is to be #2, and CO has a solid position in that role.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Vegasplanes
Posted 2005-07-12 19:39:30 and read 5376 times.

It's official, from Yahoo.com News:

FORT WORTH, Texas, July 12 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- American Airlines announced today it will begin daily nonstop service between Chicago O'Hare International Airport and Delhi, India, on Nov. 15, 2005, subject to government approval. Delhi is India's capital and third-largest city. The route is nearly 7,500 miles and will be the longest nonstop route in American's growing international network. The airline will fly the route with its 236-seat Boeing 777-200 aircra

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Airlinerfreak
Posted 2005-07-12 20:15:48 and read 5332 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 79):
See my previous post.....the 777's are not dedicated specifically for this route. They will be used to fly other routes. An aircraft that arrived earlier in the afternoon from either LHR, NRT, NGO, or the positioning flight will turn around and depart for DEL. The inbound aircraft the next morning will then turn around and fly to LHR, NRT, or NGO later on that morning. This flight will reduce the number of 777's that remain overnight in ORD. Its all one big shuffle of aircraft availability as well as building in time for scheduled maintenance and cleaning.

Yes I am aware but they used to do it with Flight #2446 from DFW-LAX-DFW. It's routing was as follows....LGW-DFW-LAX-DFW-LGW or at least that is what that plane did that day and it had almost the layover that this does. I was just wondering if its fill in time was going to be used to operate it as a domestic flight as that would be pretty cool,

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: AA623BDLSJU
Posted 2005-07-12 20:41:28 and read 5291 times.

This is awesome news to read. What was first speculated was definitely confirmed and yet so soon. I know those will book up quickly. I remember when I used to take International AAdvantage and most of those calls were to or from India. It's about time AA started using their own metal to India. AA is definitely becoming more and more a powerhouse in the international market.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2005-07-12 21:01:59 and read 5261 times.

Quoting AA623BDLSJU (Reply 84):
This is awesome news to read. What was first speculated was definitely confirmed and yet so soon. I know those will book up quickly. I remember when I used to take International AAdvantage and most of those calls were to or from India. It's about time AA started using their own metal to India. AA is definitely becoming more and more a powerhouse in the international market.

unfortunately,they don't have too many routes from the SFO area and there has been talk in this forum about AA ending their SJC-NRT 777 service....which I hope it doesn't end because the 777 flies right over my house (if it turns around and heads south..)  Sad

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: CHI787ORD
Posted 2005-07-13 03:12:40 and read 5123 times.

When will tickets go on sale?

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Nimish
Posted 2005-07-13 07:41:34 and read 5071 times.

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 77):
mmmm.... I agree. AA and other US carriers need to realize that many Indians are now opting to fly from secondary markets: Ahmedabad, Amritsar, Bangalore, Hyderabad, etc.. by making decent connection times to some of the most common local markets, they will be able to attract more passengers.

This would be a good chance for S2 to offer overnight domestic connections for inbound traffic on both CO and AA. Eg 1 or 2 am departures to AMD, BLR, HYD etc on their CRJs or the smaller 737s.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: NYCAAer
Posted 2005-07-13 15:49:45 and read 5014 times.

I wonder if we'll be successful with this route. I thought for sure Air Canada would have had more success on its nonstop out of YYZ. The jury is gonna be out on this one until it operates for a while. I still think BOM will be a better choice, when it starts.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-07-13 15:53:45 and read 5008 times.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 88):
I wonder if we'll be successful with this route. I thought for sure Air Canada would have had more success on its nonstop out of YYZ. The jury is gonna be out on this one until it operates for a while. I still think BOM will be a better choice, when it starts.

Toronto's a bigger O&D market, but it can't match the feed. Also, Americans generally don't think Air Canada when traveling to Europe or Asia, which hurt them.

Topic: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2005-07-13 17:44:02 and read 4962 times.

This is all good..but it still doesn't solve the "connection" problems for many pax..I think AA are banking on that its better to feed traffic to ORD from various cities around the United States than to have pax arrive DEL at an earlier time and connect to various cities around India..

of course, theoretically, the best would be to have 2 flights, one for people who are coming into ORD from the various United States cities and have a final destination to DEL, and another flight which would allow pax to connect to other flights in DEL conveniently (ie earlier time)...

with time zones, I guess its just not possible to have it both ways with one flight for now...

maybe if the service beats expectations, they can add another flight (but they would need some extra 777's.....which they don't have right now)

Topic: RE: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Ssides
Posted 2005-07-14 23:43:07 and read 4798 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 54):
AA will be flying to Mumbai too in 2006, though via Europe (probably Brussels).

Why through Europe? Is the distance simply too great?

And would AA have 5th Freedom on this route?

Personally, I wish they'd go DFW-FRA-BOM, but I'm too partial to DFW to take anything objectively ...

Topic: RE: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2005-07-14 23:51:54 and read 4778 times.

Any thinking of extending the DEL flight to BOM - two cities for one route? Perhaps ORD-DEL-BOM-ORD or vice versa?

Topic: RE: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2005-07-14 23:56:59 and read 4772 times.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 91):

Why through Europe? Is the distance simply too great?

Yes.

Quoting Ssides (Reply 91):

And would AA have 5th Freedom on this route?

Yes.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 92):
Any thinking of extending the DEL flight to BOM - two cities for one route? Perhaps ORD-DEL-BOM-ORD or vice versa?

No. Any non-stop between the US and Bombay cannot be done by AA with thier 777s without severe payload penalites that would destroy the profits.

Topic: RE: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: Scott4AA
Posted 2005-07-15 00:31:14 and read 4755 times.

If AA does serve BOM via Europe...(for example ORD-BRU-BOM-BRU-ORD) would the service be with a 777 or a 763?

Topic: RE: AA To Fly ORD-DEL
Username: CHI787ORD
Posted 2005-07-15 00:36:20 and read 4740 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 89):
Also, Americans generally don't think Air Canada when traveling to Europe or Asia, which hurt them.

I flied ORD-YYZ-DEL and back once on AC.


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