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Topic: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: TimeForFlight
Posted 2005-07-16 15:04:40 and read 2269 times.

In an email to all Frequent Fliers, Southwest stated the following:

Southwest Airlines Needs Your Help Now!

Wright Is Wrong! Set Love Free!

I am sending you this ALERT today to ask for your help. By now, you have probably heard about our fight to repeal the Wright Amendment, the 1979 law that makes it illegal to fly or advertise flights from Dallas Love Field to points beyond the four states surrounding Texas, plus Alabama, Mississippi, and Kansas. We need your help to make this happen!

The Wright Amendment has a strong history of stifling competition and creating high fares. Simply put, the Wright Amendment is Wrong! It's time to Set Love Free and repeal this archaic, antiquated law now! Southwest wants to bring you low fares and Legendary Customer Service from Love Field to many of the 60 cities that we currently serve across the nation.

Please join our efforts to Set Love Free by visiting our web site: setlovefree.com to take action now. You can help by:

Contacting Your Elected Officials

Encourage your federal legislators to please support the Right to Fly Act (HR 2646) introduced in the House by Texas Congressmen Jeb Hensarling and Sam Johnson that will immediately remove the Wright Amendment restrictions on Dallas Love Field Airport, or any companion legislation that might be introduced into the Senate. The "Write Congress" feature is on the home page of setlovefree.com.

Thank you for taking action now to repeal the Wright Amendment. We have always been able to count on you, our loyal Customers. Please accept my heartfelt thanks for helping us Set Love Free!

---

Is this finally the beginning of the end?

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: Avek00
Posted 2005-07-16 15:18:29 and read 2248 times.

Not at all - even if the Wright Amendment is repealed, there will likely be years of litigation during which WN might find itself legally restrained from improper usage of Love Field.

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: Boeing7E7
Posted 2005-07-16 18:51:27 and read 2187 times.

There's nothing really major about preaching to your choir....

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: Stirling
Posted 2005-07-16 19:11:22 and read 2161 times.

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 2):
There's nothing really major about preaching to your choir....

Unless that choir raises it's voice.
How many passengers did WN carry last year?
Would that not be a force to be reckoned with?

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: FlyingTexan
Posted 2005-07-16 19:24:36 and read 2139 times.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 3):
Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 2):
There's nothing really major about preaching to your choir....

Unless that choir raises it's voice.
How many passengers did WN carry last year?
Would that not be a force to be reckoned with?

Like most RR members, I received this email this morning. Interacting with other SWA pax I’ve noticed an interest in their support to help LUV fight Wright.

Not because those pax ever travel thru North Texas, because SWA has treated them so well over the years, they want to reciprocate the consideration to an effort that only makes sense.

 spin 

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: SunValley
Posted 2005-07-16 19:30:14 and read 2124 times.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 4):
Like most RR members, I received this email this morning. Interacting with other SWA pax I’ve noticed an interest in their support to help LUV fight Wright.

Not because those pax ever travel thru North Texas, because SWA has treated them so well over the years, they want to reciprocate the consideration to an effort that only makes sense.

This is my reason for writing to my representatives about WN, and of course AA's exhorbitant last minute fares to DFW.

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: SonOfACaptain
Posted 2005-07-16 19:37:55 and read 2115 times.

Quoting TimeForFlight (Thread starter):
The Wright Amendment has a strong history of stifling competition and creating high fares.

Now this is the biggest BS I have ever seen. The Wright Amendment does no such thing! No where in the terms of the amendment does it stop airlines from serving DFW (not the airport) or does it make airlines have a certain air fare. Nor does it not allow WN to serve the metroplex. DFW have always had high fares because of the lack of LCC. In way you, if you want to play the BS game, WN could be blamed for the high fares, since they never cared to move to DFW and "save" the metroplex. Now I know that shouldn't be said, but hey, I am playing the BS game.

This is just another example of how BOTH sides are making a championship run in the "National BS League."

-SOAC

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: Stirling
Posted 2005-07-16 19:47:38 and read 2103 times.

Quoting SunValley (Reply 5):
This is my reason for writing to my representatives about WN, and of course AA's exhorbitant last minute fares to DFW.

Ditto.

My corporate headquarters are in North Richland Hills.
Even advance purchase fares are stupid...compared to fares for the same days to Houston.

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: FlyingTexan
Posted 2005-07-16 19:51:26 and read 2106 times.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 6):
Quoting TimeForFlight (Thread starter):
The Wright Amendment has a strong history of stifling competition and creating high fares.

Now this is the biggest BS I have ever seen. The Wright Amendment does no such thing!

I guess AA just pulls those high fares and anti-competitive tactics out of their APUs.

 spin 

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: Blsbls99
Posted 2005-07-16 21:32:17 and read 2051 times.

LOL
Out of their APU's...very funny!

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: Swadispatcher
Posted 2005-07-16 21:54:17 and read 2033 times.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 6):
No where in the terms of the amendment does it stop airlines from serving DFW (not the airport) or does it make airlines have a certain air fare. DFW have always had high fares because of the lack of LCC.

You're right it doesn't.. (can't believe I agreed with one of your points..  Wow!), BUT what carrier in their right mind wants to deal with the 800 lb gorilla in their own back yard who's had a history of predatory pricing and unfair tactics?????
That's one of the reason's DL left IMO.

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: SonOfACaptain
Posted 2005-07-16 22:03:45 and read 2013 times.

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 10):
BUT what carrier in their right mind wants to deal with the 800 lb gorilla in their own back yard who's had a history of predatory pricing and unfair tactics?????

True, BUT, who's the strongest carrier now? The answer is WN. Back in the day, AA was the strongest (and meanest), and that is why WN hid under the protection of the Wright Amendment, because they knew AA was not going to go after them if they stayed at Love. And how they were right. They hid and flourished. That is why you never heard WN complain about the amendment before. But now, now they are the strongest airline. Nobody can stop them so there is no reason for the protection of the amendment anymore. So why not remove it now? This is the reasoning of WN motives. They hid under the amendment before but now they want it removed so they can continue with their quest of becoming the dominant airline in the industry. Using the excuse of them being scared to face AA at DFW is not going to work anymore. WN is the dominant airline now.

-SOAC

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: WDBRR
Posted 2005-07-16 22:30:43 and read 1986 times.

Who has more money in the bank...AA or WN?
Who will run out of cash first in a long and nasty
litigation process. WN should have joined Legend
Airlines years ago in the court battle.
Didn't Legend build a parking garage adjacent
to their DAL terminal...what became of that?
Did AA knock that down too?

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: Swadispatcher
Posted 2005-07-16 22:48:02 and read 1975 times.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 11):
that is why WN hid under the protection of the Wright Amendment, because they knew AA was not going to go after them if they stayed at Love.

First of all, we never hid under the Wrong Amendment as you put it.. secondly, AA did come after WN (and Legend) at Love and to put it mildly, we kicked some silver tail ! If you remember, they lost their shirts flying those F100's with only 56 seats to AUS, LGA and LAX.. a very stupid move on their part.. but their big ego had to keep them the big kid on the block.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 11):
But now, now they are the strongest airline.

Yes, financially, we are the strongest airline.. because we traditionally haven't taken stupid risks or over-extended ourselves with airplanes like other carriers..

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: SonOfACaptain
Posted 2005-07-17 03:03:37 and read 1887 times.

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 13):
First of all, we never hid under the Wrong Amendment as you put it..

Your opinion.

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 13):
secondly, AA did come after WN (and Legend) at Love and to put it mildly, we kicked some silver tail ! If you remember, they lost their shirts flying those F100's with only 56 seats to AUS, LGA and LAX.. a very stupid move on their part.. but their big ego had to keep them the big kid on the block.

Oh come on, they came after Legend and Legend alone. They had no reason to mess with you out of the blue. And yes, it was a stupid move, but they did accomplish what they came to do.

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 13):
Yes, financially, we are the strongest airline.. because we traditionally haven't taken stupid risks or over-extended ourselves with airplanes like other carriers..

Ooookkkkk, so you are just bragging, lol. That doesn't change my point that they are the strongest airline that nobody can compete with.

-SOAC

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: Swadispatcher
Posted 2005-07-17 03:27:21 and read 1864 times.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 14):
Ooookkkkk, so you are just bragging, lol. That doesn't change my point that they are the strongest airline that nobody can compete with.

AA and other legacies can't compete because their costs are too high.. not because of anything WN has done. Jetblue and Airtran seem to be competing alright.. it's not my fault that the legacies can't get their costs under control.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 14):
Oh come on, they came after Legend and Legend alone. They had no reason to mess with you out of the blue. And yes, it was a stupid move, but they did accomplish what they came to do.

Oh, and by the way, Legend NEVER flew to AUS.. that was to directly try and compete with WN.. and it didn't work.

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: SonOfACaptain
Posted 2005-07-17 03:32:52 and read 1848 times.

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 15):
AA and other legacies can't compete because their costs are too high.. not because of anything WN has done. Jetblue and Airtran seem to be competing alright.. it's not my fault that the legacies can't get their costs under control.

Oooookkkk, that still doesn't change my point that WN is the strongest, lol.

Quoting Swadispatcher (Reply 15):
Oh, and by the way, Legend NEVER flew to AUS.. that was to directly try and compete with WN.. and it didn't work.

Yeah, but AA didn't go into DAL to compete with WN, they went to DAL to compete with Legend.

-SOAC

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: Swadispatcher
Posted 2005-07-17 03:34:06 and read 1845 times.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 16):
Yeah, but AA didn't go into DAL to compete with WN, they went to DAL to compete with Legend

Your opinion.

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: TxAgKuwait
Posted 2005-07-17 03:43:55 and read 1840 times.

>> Yeah, but AA didn't go into DAL to compete with WN, they went to DAL to compete with Legend <<

Does anyone recall AAmerican going into Love Field with MD-80s and running 14 round-trips a day between Dallas Love Field & AAustin?

Since Legend never flew to Austin, never voiced the slightest desire to go to Austin, then who was it American was trying to compete against?

It was an interesting outcome, though. For those of you who have forgotten, and for those of you who are of the mistaken opinion that American somehow offers a better quality product than "the WalMart of the skies" dba Southwest Airlines Co.

American put those 14 round trip MD-80s running between Love Field & Austin.

American underbid Southwest on the state government employee contract and, as a result, carried all government employees and officials on official travel there for a while.

American offered 1st class upgrades and extra AAdvantage miles to people who would fly them instead of Southwest.

As I recall this ill-fated venture lasted about a year, and during that year...American managed to reduce Southwest's market share between Dallas and Austin by about 10%.

American then went to having American Buzzard (or American Eagle, if you prefer) run the flights to Austin from Love then they dropped them altogether.

Amazing, when you think about it....all those t-sips, government people, business travelers.....after all, it isnt the great unwashed masses who line up in droves to fly to Austin for a vacation....all those people who should have better sense and yet they chose to fly Southwest when they had a choice.

I would be real curious as to how the spin doctors explain that.

Topic: RE: Major Move In Repealing Wright Amendment
Username: Stirling
Posted 2005-07-17 04:07:37 and read 1806 times.

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 16):
but AA didn't go into DAL to compete with WN, they went to DAL to compete with Legend.

That's kinda like me saying, "I'm going to go out and kick a third-graders ass!"

Quoting TxAgKuwait (Reply 18):
I would be real curious as to how the spin doctors explain that.

If past performance is any indicator of future results, we'll most likely hear nary a word...

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 11):
Back in the day, AA was the strongest (and meanest), and that is why WN hid under the protection of the Wright Amendment, because they knew AA was not going to go after them if they stayed at Love.

Then esplain the West Coast?
Remember when AA bought a little regional carrier called AirCal?

Was Southwest hiding behind the Wright when they handed AA's ass to them on the West Coast?

Then what about later?
A little thing called RenoAir?

What, AA didn't get the message the first time around?

Son, don't kid yourself. WN does not need federal legislation to beat AA.
They have not hid behind anything.
Southwest wants a level playing field, and that scares the living hell out of AA, since they know it's a battle can't win.
Don't believe AA welcoming WN to DFW.....it's a stall; buying time, hell, it worked with Legend. BUT, they know WN will never do it. Move to DFW that is.
It's just a big ploy to obscure and draw attention away from the real issue; that they cannot compete against Southwest without the help of special favors and bogus legislation.


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