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Topic: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: QFA001
Posted 2005-07-25 12:37:52 and read 4773 times.

GOL has doubled their firm B737-800 orders from 30 to 60 and increased their options from 33 to 41. A total of 101 B737NG commitments for GOL. For more details, see the press release or the Orders thread.

  QFA001

[Edited 2005-07-25 12:45:12]

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: PanAm_DC10
Posted 2005-07-25 14:56:03 and read 4610 times.

The press release only mentions 738s. It will be interesting to see whether the Boeing press release mentions whether their options cover just 738s or 739ERs too. No mention of the 787 that was rumoured though. Anyway, good for GOL, nice to see growth and profitability in that market.

Regards

PanAm_DC10

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Danny
Posted 2005-07-25 15:18:03 and read 4561 times.

Quoting QFA001 (Thread starter):
GOL has doubled their firm B737-800 orders from 30 to 60 and increased their options from 33 to 41. A total of 101 B737NG commitments for GOL.

Option is NOT a commitment.

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2005-07-25 15:22:52 and read 4543 times.

Excellente news for GOL.

This is the biggest ever order between Boeing and an airline in Latin American...and GOL is a new airline, with about 5 years....

For GOL press release:

htp://www.mz-ir.com/gol/eng/

Rgs,

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: PanAm_DC10
Posted 2005-07-25 16:17:28 and read 4450 times.

Quoting Danny (Reply 2):
Option is NOT a commitment.

With respect, I cannot concur. A small deposit is paid to secure delivery slots on Purchase Rights. A Purchase Right can then be converted into an Option, or firm order, with another payment due. That is a commitment, albeit, not a firm order like the other 60.

Regards

PanAm_DC10

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: PPVRA
Posted 2005-07-25 16:45:35 and read 4376 times.

Cool, all -800s and with winglets!!

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 1):
It will be interesting to see whether the Boeing press release mentions whether their options cover just 738s or 739ERs too.

If they go for the -900, that would be even cooler Big grin

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Erikwilliam
Posted 2005-07-25 17:28:37 and read 4307 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
This is the biggest ever order between Boeing and an airline in Latin American...and GOL is a new airline, with about 5 years....

long time no see man, how are you?
pretty much amazing I must say.
Does anybody know if this have anything to do with G3 operations in Mexico?

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2005-07-25 17:53:30 and read 4251 times.

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 6):
Does anybody know if this have anything to do with G3 operations in Mexico?

Good point here...could be part of the answer to this huge order.

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 6):
long time no see man, how are you?

I was away on a long biz trip, which also included Brazil! On Saturday in GRU I met our friend Lipe!

Rgs,

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Erikwilliam
Posted 2005-07-25 18:34:22 and read 4200 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7):
was away on a long biz trip, which also included Brazil! On Saturday in GRU I met our friend Lipe!

Oh man, too bad, I was in Rio, talked to Lipe on fri....too bad, maybe next time.

Always nice to see G3 growing...

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Ghost77
Posted 2005-07-25 23:51:07 and read 4025 times.

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 6):
Does anybody know if this have anything to do with G3 operations in Mexico?

This is what've heard on this side:

RE: GOL Set To Order 737s-Reuters (by Ghost77 Jul 25 2005 in Civil Aviation)

They want to create a hub in CUN airport. They will be launching flights next March of 2006 so they'll need lots of aircrafts!!!

They're planning to cover 10 destinations in their first stage and they want to increase that number to 30. No cities have been mentioned so far but these are the plans for 2010 for Gol México.

Ricardo APM

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2005-07-26 00:33:46 and read 3966 times.

Quoting QFA001 (Thread starter):
GOL has doubled their firm B737-800 orders from 30 to 60 and increased their options from 33 to 41. A total of 101 B737NG commitments for GOL. For more details, see the press release or the Orders thread.

Also, Gol will receive some 738 with adjustments in order to fly SDU-CGH (Gol will increase the offer there with such change). Good to see their success!
Go Gol !

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 8):
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 7):
was away on a long biz trip, which also included Brazil! On Saturday in GRU I met our friend Lipe!

Oh man, too bad, I was in Rio, talked to Lipe on fri....too bad, maybe next time.

It was a pleasure met Hardi @ GRU. It will be better next time in front of Ipanema beach! Erik, we can arrange some meeting during the week. In fact i will travel to POA during the day on Aug 28 and to FOR on Aug 29 (early night). Back to Sao Paulo on Aug 31.

Regards,
Felipe

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Juventus
Posted 2005-07-26 03:12:51 and read 3879 times.

So I guess GOL Mexico isn't just a rumor anymore.

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: KLM685
Posted 2005-07-26 05:15:51 and read 3568 times.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 11):
So I guess GOL Mexico isn't just a rumor anymore.

Exactly, it's all over the newspapers now.

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: DAYflyer
Posted 2005-07-26 06:45:27 and read 3318 times.

Varig sure is taking it on the chin at the hands of GOL & other LCC now aren't they?

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Erikwilliam
Posted 2005-07-26 13:50:21 and read 2786 times.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 13):
Varig sure is taking it on the chin at the hands of GOL & other LCC now aren't they?

JJ should also pay attention to them, altough, JJ financial situation is better then RG´s

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 10):
It was a pleasure met Hardi @ GRU. It will be better next time in front of Ipanema beach! Erik, we can arrange some meeting during the week. In fact i will travel to POA during the day on Aug 28 and to FOR on Aug 29 (early night). Back to Sao Paulo on Aug 31.

sure my man, I´m free this week, give me a call.

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: EddieDude
Posted 2005-07-26 15:43:30 and read 2707 times.

I am very surprised that the details of the modifications to the 738's have not been discussed here in detail. I posted a link to a Brazilian online news journal and some excerpts thereof in a separate thread, and such excerpts describe that Boeing has agreed to make a number of aerodynamic changes to the 738 in order to allow it to land on and take off from SDU like Felipe mentioned (another change is adding one more seat for a total of 178).

I see this as a very relevant thing because it clearly shows that Gol is Boeing's no. 1 customer in LatAm and that Boeing is committed not only to keeping Gol happy, but also to extending the potential market of the 737-800 to those airlines who operate out of/into short-runway airports.

See: GOL Set To Order 737s-Reuters

[Edited 2005-07-26 16:01:26]

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2005-07-26 18:52:48 and read 2630 times.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):
I see this as a very relevant thing because it clearly shows that Gol is Boeing's no. 1 customer in LatAm and that Boeing is committed not only to keeping Gol happy, but also to extending the potential market of the 737-800 to those airlines who operate out of/into short-runway airports.

Eddie, Agree 100% with you. Boeing in fact make a very high bet on Gol as its the only way to stop Airbus success in South America (where Tam, Lan and Taca are growing). PP-VRA just started a discussion concerning to the overcapacity of CGH, the biggest brazilian airport in terms of pax, and those changes provided by Boeing will allows Gol to get a very important advantage as Infraero probably will allow the Gol modified 738 to use SDU. It's a 23% increase on 737 capacity, more almost 30% in comparision with Tam A319 and RG 733/737 used on SDU-CGH. Also for CGH, with this 738C (changed), operations will be safer and seat available could be improved without asking for new slots (rare).
It will be a cost reduction of more than 20% ! In other words: Gol will be using the best aircraft, the biggest one, lower cost,... and the only one with OWN planes! Imagine the profit... while RG keeps it as the high profitable route, i can say that Gol will be in a "diamond mine".

Also, i believe Boeing will try to help Gol in increase their South America routes and to obtain the best partnerships (Delta, Air France, Copa are real examples... all big Boeing customers), and could help to make real a future widebody fleet. Could be their estrategy !

Rgds,
Felipe

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2005-07-26 22:47:08 and read 2554 times.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):
I am very surprised that the details of the modifications to the 738's have not been discussed here in detail.



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):
Boeing has agreed to make a number of aerodynamic changes to the 738 in order to allow it to land on and take off from SDU like Felipe mentioned (another change is adding one more seat for a total of 178).



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 15):
I see this as a very relevant thing because it clearly shows that Gol is Boeing's no. 1 customer in LatAm and that Boeing is committed not only to keeping Gol happy

Edu: you are right, and yet again very relevant post. Tks for the interesting contribution. In my view, GOL is vital for Boeing's future in LatAm especially now that Boeing cannot count on RG anymore.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 16):
Boeing will allows Gol to get a very important advantage as Infraero probably will allow the Gol modified 738 to use SDU. It's a 23% increase on 737 capacity, more almost 30% in comparision with Tam A319 and RG 733/737 used on SDU-CGH.

Lipe: interesting post and GOL's strategy is in line with INFRAERO ambitions. A higher capacity a/c landing in CGH means that they will manage to maximise the use of CGH's slots, which as we know is operating well over-capacity. It is good for CGH and it will generate even more profit for GOL.

[on a side-note: I saw Mr. Constantino, GOL's CEO, on Saturday evening in the AF lounge in GRU (I was flying KL to AMS). He was flying to Seatle with other three GOL's executives with DL via ATL!  Smile DL uses the AF lounge in GRU. It shows how close GOL and DL are nowadays!!!  Smile]. I felt like going to his table to ask whether he reads Airliners.net  Smile

Btw, competition on the air-shuttle, CGH-SDU is getting fierce with BRA starting LCC service on this route this year.

Rgs,

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: PPVRA
Posted 2005-07-27 00:17:03 and read 2497 times.

I'm not 100% sure, but I' think all B737s operating at SDU have a "Short runway package by Boeing."

But indeed, the B738 would be the largest aircraft to land in SDU. Airbus tried madifying the A320 but apparantly, from what I've heard, they've had "lift problems." The only Picture on the database of an A320 at SDU is from the A320s tour in Brazil, which more than likely landed there empty.

Maybe JJMNGR knows what happened with the A320 @ SDU?



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):
A higher capacity a/c landing in CGH means that they will manage to maximise the use of CGH's slots, which as we know is operating well over-capacity. It is good for CGH and it will generate even more profit for GOL.

Only problem is that you're gonna have even more PAX on that over-crowded airport.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):
Btw, competition on the air-shuttle, CGH-SDU is getting fierce with BRA starting LCC service on this route this year.

Indeed, SDU-CGH is getting hotter!

Cheers,
PPVRA

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2005-07-27 00:34:47 and read 2490 times.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 18):
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):
Btw, competition on the air-shuttle, CGH-SDU is getting fierce with BRA starting LCC service on this route this year.

Indeed, SDU-CGH is getting hotter!

Only to explain this route to all others A.Net friends. Infraero just released Pax numbers for June/05: SDU become on this specific month (not a Rio high season!) was ranked number 5 just after CGH, GRU, GIG and BSB (yes, GIG was higher than BSB on june). SDU pax number was 323,956 and probably 95% are users of SDU-CGH shuttle service. Other routes are Macae, Sao Jose dos Campos (Embraer HQ) and Campos. This could explain why Infraero projects a 4 million pax on SDU-CGH for 2006 (SDU is responsible for almost 25% to 30% from all CGH pax). There are 30 daily flights from RG, 24 from G3, 28 from JJ. BRA is also authorized to fly 12 daily flights, which brings an incredible number of 94 daily flights RIO-SAO (Besides G3 and JJ keeps GIG-GRU and GIG-CGH and RG GIG-GRU only). Almost 130 flights per day, probably the busiest route in the world in terms of flights (RIO-SAO).
Gol could improve offer and become number 1 in seat availability on RIO-SAO !

Regards,
Felipe

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2005-07-27 21:18:54 and read 2390 times.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 18):
Only problem is that you're gonna have even more PAX on that over-crowded airport.

That's unavoidable, but could alleviate the problem of even more aircraft landing in CGH. I just dont see how CGH will handle all this traffic growth.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
RIO-SAO (Besides G3 and JJ keeps GIG-GRU and GIG-CGH and RG GIG-GRU only). Almost 130 flights per day, probably the busiest route in the world in terms of flights (RIO-SAO).

I also think that RIO-SAO (or CGH-SDU) is the busiest air-route in the world, and actually was the first to establish the concept of air-shuttle service!

Rgs,

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2005-07-28 00:29:15 and read 2349 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 20):
That's unavoidable, but could alleviate the problem of even more aircraft landing in CGH. I just dont see how CGH will handle all this traffic growth.

And bad news: Infraero has requested R$ 400 mm to Treasury in order to complete improvements on VIX, SDU, CGH, GYN and BSB. No comments on GRU T3 or 2nd operational runway !

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 20):
I also think that RIO-SAO (or CGH-SDU) is the busiest air-route in the world, and actually was the first to establish the concept of air-shuttle service!

BCN-MAD is also a strong route, but don't know how many flights per day, that's why i think RIO-SAO is the top. But CGH-SDU numbers are just amazing!

Felipe

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Erikwilliam
Posted 2005-07-28 14:38:43 and read 2285 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 19):
(yes, GIG was higher than BSB on june).

well, this last sunday the airport was packed full.
40min line to takeoff at sunday night, flight JJ8090.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 20):
That's unavoidable, but could alleviate the problem of even more aircraft landing in CGH. I just dont see how CGH will handle all this traffic growth.

it won´t

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
And bad news: Infraero has requested R$ 400 mm to Treasury in order to complete improvements on VIX, SDU, CGH, GYN and BSB. No comments on GRU T3 or 2nd operational runway !

as expected

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
BCN-MAD is also a strong route, but don't know how many flights per day, that's why i think RIO-SAO is the top. But CGH-SDU numbers are just amazing!

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/457183

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2005-07-28 18:02:11 and read 2249 times.

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 22):
it won´t

but it could be even worse...

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
And bad news: Infraero has requested R$ 400 mm to Treasury in order to complete improvements on VIX, SDU, CGH, GYN and BSB. No comments on GRU T3 or 2nd operational runway !

This is crazy...now INFRAERO is investing in VIX, FLN, SDU, CGH and GYB...even Macapa is getting a brand new and modern Terminal! Does SDU need a new Terminal now that flights got diverted to GIG? NO! The only airport in Brazil that needs urgent investment is GRU...

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 21):
BCN-MAD is also a strong route, but don't know how many flights per day,

I'm sure CGH-SDU, with about 100 daily flights, is one of the top 10 busiest routes in the world, both in terms of total pax and number of flights.

Anyone with precise figures of total pax (per year) on the CGH-SDU route?

From my calculations: considering that SDU is expected to handle about 3.5 million pax in 2005, basically all flights (99%) in SDU are for the air-shuttle SDU-CGH, it means that this route would be ranked as the 5th busiest route in the world:

1) Tokyo - Sapporo 8.13 million pax

2) Tokyo - Fukuoka 6.75 million pax

3) Sydney - Melbourne 3.98 million pax

4) New York - Los Angeles 3.63 million pax

5) Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro 3.5 million pax

[note that the 3.5 million pax is only for the CGH-SDU route, we also have to add the flights CGH-GIG and GRU-GIG, which would add at least another 0.5 million pax, and as such the RIO-SAO route would be the 3rd or 4th busiest route in the world].

GRU-EZE is also one of the busiest international routes in the world, and certianly the busiest international route in Latin America and maybe one of the top 5 busiest in the Southern Hemisphere.

Rgs,

[Edited 2005-07-28 18:14:31]

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2005-07-28 19:13:34 and read 2204 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 23):
[note that the 3.5 million pax is only for the CGH-SDU route, we also have to add the flights CGH-GIG and GRU-GIG, which would add at least another 0.5 million pax, and as such the RIO-SAO route would be the 3rd or 4th busiest route in the world].

Thanks for the numbers. Probably RIO-SAO is ranked 3rd as GIG-GRU are mainly operated by widebodies (15 to 20 per day), and i think probably it's a 4,5 to 5,0 million pax per year. I remember that in 2000 only GIG-GRU was something close to 500,000 pax per year. This number probably is higher nowadays. Expect 800,000 GIG-GRU and more 600,000 GIG-CGH (about 12 flights per day with very high loads).

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 22):
well, this last sunday the airport was packed full.
40min line to takeoff at sunday night, flight JJ8090.

All the nights GIG is experiencing high number of pax on both terminals (but more on T2). RioTur (official turism bureau) said that this is probably the best july of history with more than 85% loads on hotels. New flights like GIG-MIA was also a strong success and GIG-FRA takes the position from GRU-FRA as the best RG route. In some days is impossible to obtain Biz or First Tickets. A source from RG says that probably GIG will receive a 2 or 3 times per week JFK flight with the 772 (daily light).

Rgds,
Felipe

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: PPVRA
Posted 2005-07-28 23:43:34 and read 2166 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 20):

That's unavoidable, but could alleviate the problem of even more aircraft landing in CGH. I just dont see how CGH will handle all this traffic growth.

I don't think a lot more aircraft can land there. The number 1 major problem is that the terminals just can't handle that many pax.

Once there are no more slots available (are there any?), there is no room for airlines to whine about it, just can't do it. But pax, you can always squeeze another one in.

If B767s/A330 began flying in there, it would be hell.

I've heard that Infraero had a plan several years ago to only allow regional jets into CGH. It would effectively limit the number of PAX (I've heard rumors that that is the reason RG ordered the ERJ's) and keep noise levels down.

Probably didn't go forward as GRU could not handle all the extra traffic.

Cheers,
PPVRA

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2005-07-29 00:49:03 and read 2139 times.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 25):
Once there are no more slots available (are there any?), there is no room for airlines to whine about it, just can't do it. But pax, you can always squeeze another one in.

Some weeks ago my anwser was No, but i remember that Infraero grant some slots to BRA. I don't know how and where they will install their check-in. Vasp is out of CGH Check-In area but Gol is now on that space. I can't imagine Varig and Tam giving space to a new player. And they probably will start 8 to 12 daily flights SDU-CGH !

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 25):
I've heard that Infraero had a plan several years ago to only allow regional jets into CGH. It would effectively limit the number of PAX (I've heard rumors that that is the reason RG ordered the ERJ's) and keep noise levels down.

Probably didn't go forward as GRU could not handle all the extra traffic.

That's true and Infraero in fact realocated some flights to GRU (15 to 20). But they stop this procedure as international operations needs more space on GRU.
I can't see solutions for the next 3 years.
Rio 2007 will be a kind of PANIC in SAO airports. I do believe Infraero will ASK PLEASEEEEE to some flights to be routed to GIG during the Pan American Games.

My opinion is that, if GOL when receive such aircrafts, start to increase flights to CGH or GRU, SAO system will be close to caos.
If GRU receive an additional 20% growth in 2006, we are talking about 17 mm pax. Plus a single 10% growth in 2007 and ... 18,7 mm pax. T3 will only be ready on 2008/2009 if some think is done very quickly (not the case). Probably we will look for a 20 mm Pax CGH, 19 mm Pax GRU and 13 mm GIG on 2007. When Infraero start T3 on GRU, probably Brazil will need SSA T2 and others!

Felipe

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: PPVRA
Posted 2005-07-29 06:26:12 and read 2105 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 26):

Lipe, I just read a report @ http://www.panrotas.com.br that the govt. plans to lower taxes on all of their airports to give insentives for Tourism. The only exception listed was GRU, with a tax of USD 36.00 (I don't believe they will lower CGH/SDU, although the article did not mention anything). GIG was at about USD 20.00-USD 30.00. The most affected airports are in the NE of the country, which are to be lowered from the current USD charged for all airports to USD 15.00. Also airports near the border with other countries were lowered to USD 8.00.

That's a very good development.

Cheers,
PPVRA

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2005-07-29 14:27:41 and read 2044 times.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 27):
That's a very good development.

Everywhere in the world airport taxes are going up, especially because of security costs. Is the Brazilian Government crazy??? I dont think they should lower airport taxes, in fact, Brazil has one of the lowest airport taxes in the world. In AMS airport taxes and security fees are close to USD100 if not more!

INFRAERO needs the taxes to build/renovate airports. Lower airport taxes will not create incentive for tourism (e.g. in a ticket of, for example, USD800 who cares about USD 20 or USD 50 in taxes???). Also, everybody knows that INFRAERO does not even manage to handle proper security procedures in Brazilian airports...this decision to lower aiport taxes is ridiculous and will do nothing than harm INFRAERO's own (already fragile) financial situation ....[and taxes for domestic flights are already extremely low: about USD 5].

In contrast, INFRAERO charges exorbitant fees for parking/slots in Brazilian airports....so what? you reduce pax tax but keep high airline fess...complete nonsense...

Rgs,

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2005-07-29 14:29:41 and read 2042 times.

And here is the revised list of the top routes in the world (pax traffic):

1) Tokyo - Sapporo 8.13 million pax

2) Tokyo - Fukuoka 6.75 million pax

3) Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro 4.5 million pax

4) Sydney - Melbourne 3.98 million pax

5) New York - Los Angeles 3.63 million pax

Rgs,

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: PPVRA
Posted 2005-07-30 04:01:32 and read 2002 times.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 28):
In AMS airport taxes and security fees are close to USD100 if not more!

From geographical to economic reasons, it's not that hard to see why AMS is so expensive.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 28):
(e.g. in a ticket of, for example, USD800 who cares about USD 20 or USD 50 in taxes???

Makes a HUGE difference for regional and domestic fares. Ocean Air has promotions RIO-SAO @ BRL 50.00 sometimes.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 28):
(already fragile) financial situation

If it was fragile, they wouldn't be opening movie teathers in Airports, new terminals all over the country, and making CGH a bit more comfortable. Not to mention sponsoring art projects for the local youth.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 28):
n contrast, INFRAERO charges exorbitant fees for parking/slots in Brazilian airports....so what? you reduce pax tax but keep high airline fess...complete nonsense...

It's still a reduction.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 29):
And here is the revised list of the top routes in the world (pax traffic):

1) Tokyo - Sapporo 8.13 million pax

2) Tokyo - Fukuoka 6.75 million pax

3) Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro 4.5 million pax

4) Sydney - Melbourne 3.98 million pax

5) New York - Los Angeles 3.63 million pax

Rgs,

Btw, I think it's worth mentioning that those figures are for domestic routes only.

PPVRA

[Edited 2005-07-30 04:27:03]

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2005-07-30 08:09:37 and read 1975 times.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 30):
Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 28):
(already fragile) financial situation

If it was fragile, they wouldn't be opening movie teathers in Airports, new terminals all over the country, and making CGH a bit more comfortable. Not to mention sponsoring art projects for the local youth.

PP-VRA, i agree with Hardi. Yes, Infraero is investing a lot of money on airports but only because they have a strong revenue from International Flights. Each Int'l Pax add about R$ 80, while a domestic pax pays only R$ 10, for the same facilities. Okay, Int'l Pax are only 6 to 7 mm a year and Dom are more than 40 mm, but the numbers are very clear, the EBITDA from Infraero is mainly because of high fares on int'l flights.

Also, it's okay to change prices for some airports, but remember, the plane goes where there are pax. The Tax is not relevant for the ticket price.
The kind of incentives they can grant are: Reduce Parking Fees for new flights on select airports OR increase new flights fees for GRU, avoiding taxes for Fuel on some airports (mainly for the new domestic flights to connect).


Rgds,
Felipe

Topic: RE: GOL Increases B737NG Orders To 101
Username: Hardiwv
Posted 2005-07-30 12:30:00 and read 1960 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 31):
Flights. Each Int'l Pax add about R$ 80, while a domestic pax pays only R$ 10, for the same facilities. Okay, Int'l Pax are only 6 to 7 mm a year and Dom are more than 40 mm, but the numbers are very clear, the EBITDA from Infraero is mainly because of high fares on int'l flights.

Tks for the complete explanation.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 30):
Makes a HUGE difference for regional and domestic fares. Ocean Air has promotions RIO-SAO @ BRL 50.00 sometimes.

I was talking about the international tax (USD 36) and not the domestic tax which is ONLY about R$10!

Rgs,


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