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Topic: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: 8B775ZQ
Posted 2005-09-27 23:40:15 and read 5584 times.

The dash-8 and atr42/72 turboprop aircraft families have been around for something like 20 years.Is there any plans to replace these aircraft and what do you think the next generation turboprop aircraft will be like.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2005-09-27 23:41:32 and read 5571 times.

My guess is that it will have many of the features of this aircraft: http://www.airbusmilitary.com/home.html

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: Btriple7
Posted 2005-09-27 23:41:56 and read 5568 times.

What next generation turboprop? Jets have taken over.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2005-09-27 23:44:17 and read 5554 times.

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 2):
What next generation turboprop? Jets have taken over.

Not even close. Turboprops are still way cheaper if you are transporting less than around 40 people on segments shorter than 1-1½ hours.

And technically turboprops are jets Big grin

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: Legacy135
Posted 2005-09-27 23:45:45 and read 5544 times.

I am not sure if there is a market to develop a new generation of turboprop aircrafts. I rather think that for the demand remaining they will update the designs of the actul planes manufactured as DHC-8 and ATR's.

Looking at corporate aircrafts, basically all turboprops except the King Air went out of production. They all are replaced by jets. Planes as the PC-12 or the TBM 700 are actual replacements for former piston twins or King Airs.

I am quite sure that this will happend anything similar to the regionals.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: Dogfighter2111
Posted 2005-09-27 23:47:24 and read 5535 times.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):

When is that aircraft due to be put into operation?

Thanks
Mike

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: DLKAPA
Posted 2005-09-27 23:55:04 and read 5500 times.

Why replace something that doesn't need replacing? The Q3 and 400 still have plenty of life left in them and are still the most efficient way to transport 50 and 70 people 500 miles.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: LeDragon
Posted 2005-09-28 00:16:19 and read 5466 times.

Isn't the Q400 an economic plane with decent speed ?

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: ZSOFN
Posted 2005-09-28 00:22:45 and read 5456 times.

There's the whole prop-fan thing. That's certainly popular here at the Aero Eng dept in Bristol Uni.

Reason is the limiting factor of turboprops is that they lose efficiency dramatically at high mach numbers, so airspeed is limited. But if a new system can be developed that has the efficiency and low maintenance cost of a turboprop but can operate at high mach numbers then it'll be a serious breakthrough. If/when it happens, expect a flood of new propfan/turboprop aircraft on the market.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2005-09-28 14:05:29 and read 5280 times.

Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 5):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):

When is that aircraft due to be put into operation?

Thanks
Mike

AFAIK it's still in the "we hope it will be ordered" stage.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: Keesje
Posted 2005-09-28 14:14:59 and read 5254 times.

Antonov made some pretty impressing props, love the noise..

http://www.flightlevel350.net/download.php?id=2599

source : http://www.flightlevel350.net

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: MasseyBrown
Posted 2005-09-28 18:23:40 and read 5145 times.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
My guess is that it will have many of the features of this aircraf

"this aircraf" = EADS A-400.

I doubt it. The commercial world has seen very few C-130s, which various air forces consider an efficient plane. Military aircraft are hugely and expensively over-engineered for the commercial market (and probably for the military market as well). A successful commercial-to-military conversion is common; the reverse is very rare outside of Russia.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: Glom
Posted 2005-09-28 18:58:43 and read 5099 times.

I hope there will be next generation turboprops. They are cheap and efficient. They add a little variation to the commercial scene. And best of all, they frighten people who think prop = Wright Flyer.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: JBo
Posted 2005-09-28 22:45:44 and read 4978 times.

I imagine that eventually we'll see development of a next-generation turboprop for the 19-30 seat segment. The Beech 1900 is only going to be around so long, something will have to replace it as there will always be a market for that size of aircraft.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: ACJAZZAME
Posted 2005-09-29 05:38:20 and read 4843 times.

Quoting LeDragon (Reply 7):

If you're talking 360 knots speed and within 400 miles beats a jet,and burns a third the fuel, then yes.

Quoting Btriple7 (Reply 2):

Last time I started the Dash8 it sounded like a jet.

By the way, with the fuel prices rising as they are I think the RJs are dead!

ACJAZZAME

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: Starlionblue
Posted 2005-09-29 14:35:38 and read 4755 times.

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 11):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
My guess is that it will have many of the features of this aircraf

"this aircraf" = EADS A-400.

I doubt it. The commercial world has seen very few C-130s, which various air forces consider an efficient plane. Military aircraft are hugely and expensively over-engineered for the commercial market (and probably for the military market as well). A successful commercial-to-military conversion is common; the reverse is very rare outside of Russia.

Well, I only meant that many of the features would be like on the A-400, that is a totally new turboprop. I didn't say the design would be similar.

Quoting ACJAZZAME (Reply 14):

Last time I started the Dash8 it sounded like a jet.

In most ways, turboprops are closer to turbofans than to reciprocating engine aircraft.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: FriendlySkies
Posted 2005-09-29 14:47:48 and read 4741 times.


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Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: MasseyBrown
Posted 2005-09-29 17:09:09 and read 4685 times.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 15):
Well, I only meant that many of the features would be like on the A-400, that is a totally new turboprop. I didn't say the design would be similar.

OK, that makes good sense. I expect it will be a smaller plane, though. The Dash 8 400 sales seem to suffer from the anti-prop prejudice in the US - if Bombardier could knock a few million off the price, they might change that.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: Kappel
Posted 2005-09-29 18:01:24 and read 4667 times.

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 17):
OK, that makes good sense. I expect it will be a smaller plane, though. The Dash 8 400 sales seem to suffer from the anti-prop prejudice in the US - if Bombardier could knock a few million off the price, they might change that.

They also have a strong competitor in the ATR 72-500, wich is slower, but also burns less fuel, and is lighter than the Q400. IIRC the ATR 72 has outsold the Q400 this year.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: Haj96
Posted 2005-09-29 18:29:42 and read 4607 times.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 9):
Quoting Dogfighter2111 (Reply 5):
Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):

When is that aircraft due to be put into operation?

Thanks
Mike

AFAIK it's still in the "we hope it will be ordered" stage.

Orders were already made and it will be put into service in 2009.
http://www.airbusmilitary.com/commitment.html

Regards,
haj96

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: BlueSky1976
Posted 2005-09-29 18:55:01 and read 4574 times.

Next generation turboprop? Let's see... capacity between 40 and 70 pax, all composite structure, new more efficient engines, cruising speed around 670 - 700 km/h... there you have it. Whoever builds one, will be the winner.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: DLKAPA
Posted 2005-09-29 19:04:00 and read 4564 times.

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 20):
new more efficient engines,

The turboprop is already the most efficient engine on the market.

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: A350
Posted 2005-09-29 19:28:02 and read 4548 times.

With all these LCCs flying around, there might be a market for a 100-seater turboprop. Here in Berlin, there is an invasion of Fokker 100s, and they are all doing short hops for LCCs. Most travellers wouldn't mind if the flight is 5 minutes longer, but they would welcome if it's cheaper. The only problem I see is that Easyjet had to change its name  hyper .

A350

Topic: RE: What Will The Next Gen Turboprop Be Like?
Username: Glareskin
Posted 2005-09-29 20:00:00 and read 4515 times.

Quoting A350 (Reply 22):
The only problem I see is that Easyjet had to change its name .

So, what's wrong with Easyprop?


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