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Topic: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: ETStar
Posted 2005-10-21 06:22:12 and read 4060 times.

Virgin Nigeria is to inaugurate flights between Lagos and Johannesburg on November 25. This in addition to Douala which starts on October 25. The schedules are posted on http://www.africanflyer.com/

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Pomnath
Posted 2005-10-21 14:45:14 and read 3923 times.

You are welcome to G-VBUS and its sister ships, we have had enough of them in DEL and BOM. Good luck.

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Soups
Posted 2005-10-21 15:45:51 and read 3854 times.

Passengers connecting from Accra, Douala and PHC have at least 5-6 hours wait in Lagos

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2005-10-21 16:40:26 and read 3798 times.

Quoting Soups (Reply 2):
Passengers connecting from Accra, Douala and PHC have at least 5-6 hours wait in Lagos

Is the connect time in Lagos as bad as the checkin time?

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Soups
Posted 2005-10-21 17:24:23 and read 3766 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
Is the connect time in Lagos as bad as the checkin time?

Not sure. i think check in opens 3houes be4 departure and closes 1 hour before

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Aerofan
Posted 2005-10-21 18:07:16 and read 3725 times.

5 HOURS?YIKES!!!!!!!!!! that's as bad as emirates flights!

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: AF022
Posted 2005-10-21 22:33:26 and read 3612 times.

I'm sure they are just going after the local traffic. No need to go target connecting when there is plenty of demand from Lagos to Jo'burg.

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Behramjee
Posted 2005-10-22 04:59:27 and read 3523 times.

how good is their connection from London via LOS hub to JNB and vice versa?

[Edited 2005-10-22 04:59:55]

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: ETStar
Posted 2005-10-22 06:54:06 and read 3478 times.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
how good is their connection from London via LOS hub to JNB and vice versa?

A connection to London does not even look like it is under consideration. At least 6-8 hours between the flights, both ways. I would not expect VS to create an airline that would compete with it either, since it already operates on LHR-JNB. I also think that VK's priority is getting a good handle on local traffic.

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: SA7700
Posted 2005-10-22 07:41:42 and read 3455 times.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 6):
I'm sure they are just going after the local traffic. No need to go target connecting when there is plenty of demand from Lagos to Jo'burg.

I can guarantee you that SA will not rest on its laurels on this route. They will have a close watch over their market share, currently servicing the JNB-LOS-JNB route 4x times weekly with B744's. IMHO VK will be having a tough time.


Rgds

SA7700

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Soups
Posted 2005-10-22 11:10:12 and read 3402 times.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 9):
urrently servicing the JNB-LOS-JNB route 4x times weekly

2 of those flights carry on to ABJ

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: SA7700
Posted 2005-10-22 13:40:49 and read 3347 times.

Quoting Soups (Reply 10):
2 of those flights carry on to ABJ

Thanks Soups


Rgds

SA7700

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Soups
Posted 2005-10-22 17:14:02 and read 3297 times.

If SAA wanted to increase capacity they can dedicate lagos its 4th weekly flights. SAA tried to go daily (to LOS and ACC) but Nigerian and Ghanaian gvt refused the application.
ABJ used to be served via ACC. When the IAD flight stopped in ACC. ABJ received a 2 weekly 737 service.

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: JGPH1A
Posted 2005-10-22 17:52:37 and read 3264 times.

I suppose they have to fly somewhere, seeing as they been banned in the US  Smile

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: AF022
Posted 2005-10-22 19:15:04 and read 3235 times.

Quoting Soups (Reply 12):
If SAA wanted to increase capacity they can dedicate lagos its 4th weekly flights. SAA tried to go daily (to LOS and ACC) but Nigerian and Ghanaian gvt refused the application.

Aren't all three of these governments signatories to the Yamassoukro Agreement? I thought there was open skies in Africa for African carriers.

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Soups
Posted 2005-10-22 20:22:25 and read 3199 times.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 14):
I thought there was open skies in Africa for African carriers.

Nigeria have an open sky with the USA. take a look at CO and VK story! open sky are just to minimise the paper work in my point of view

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: ETStar
Posted 2005-10-22 21:55:02 and read 3165 times.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 9):

I can guarantee you that SA will not rest on its laurels on this route. They will have a close watch over their market share, currently servicing the JNB-LOS-JNB route 4x times weekly with B744's. IMHO VK will be having a tough time.

I don't think VK would have much of a hard time, especially considering the fact that it is on its way of becoming a household name, as it grows as a Nigerian airline. It already has barriers to expanding at LOS, and I have a feeling that this will remain until such time that VK gains some foot hold.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 14):
Yamassoukro Agreement

Ha!

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: AF022
Posted 2005-10-22 22:35:22 and read 3143 times.

Quoting ETStar (Reply 16):
Ha!

"Ha!" as in I can't spell Yamosoooookro, or "Ha!" the agreement is a joke?

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: EurostarVA
Posted 2005-10-22 22:47:42 and read 3136 times.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 9):
I can guarantee you that SA will not rest on its laurels on this route. They will have a close watch over their market share, currently servicing the JNB-LOS-JNB route 4x times weekly with B744's. IMHO VK will be having a tough time.

I disagree because this market is severely underserved. As someone put it, Virgin Nigeria will 'mop up' the market and ensure supply exceeds demand on the route.

Meanwhile, Virgin Nigeria is charging significantly lower fares. I don't think they will find it 'tough' competing on the Johannesburg route. In fact, I believe JNB could be their most profitable route in the coming year.

Watch out for Dakar (Senegal) and Kano (Nigeria) which will come online before or around Christmas time! By year end their route network will include:

Nigeria: Lagos, Abuja, Kano, Port Harcourt
Regional: Accra, Douala, Dakar
Long haul: Johannesburg, London Gatwick

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: ETStar
Posted 2005-10-23 01:12:00 and read 3093 times.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 17):

"Ha!" as in I can't spell Yamosoooookro, or "Ha!" the agreement is a joke?

Spelling was right Big grin

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: SA7700
Posted 2005-10-23 12:28:09 and read 3027 times.

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 18):
I disagree because this market is severely underserved. As someone put it, Virgin Nigeria will 'mop up' the market and ensure supply exceeds demand on the route.

Meanwhile, Virgin Nigeria is charging significantly lower fares. I don't think they will find it 'tough' competing on the Johannesburg route. In fact, I believe JNB could be their most profitable route in the coming year.

Well we will have to wait and see. I just see it like this and I may be wrong: If Nigeria is not willing to grant South Africa extra frequencies, they can expect the same treatment - meaning VK will still have only 3x weekly services (IIRC)with A343's. Yes, it may become their most profitable route, but at what price? SA fly B744's into LOS with quite a few seats extra in Y-class, as well as offering a 3 class layout. Economies of scale also comes to mind.


Rgds

SA7700

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Soups
Posted 2005-10-23 13:14:05 and read 3013 times.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 20):
f Nigeria is not willing to grant South Africa extra frequencies, they can expect the same treatment

The only carriers to benefit from this are Ethiopian Airlines, Kenya Airlines, Cameroon Airlines and Hewa Bora.

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Viasa
Posted 2005-10-23 15:27:21 and read 2969 times.

btw: the first Virgin Nigeria Boeing 737-300 is in Shannon (full colors).

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: ETStar
Posted 2005-10-23 22:00:23 and read 2898 times.

Quoting SA7700 (Reply 20):
Well we will have to wait and see. I just see it like this and I may be wrong: If Nigeria is not willing to grant South Africa extra frequencies, they can expect the same treatment - meaning VK will still have only 3x weekly services (IIRC)with A343's.

a) don't know whether each airline was granted 4x frequency, since SA operates 4 and VK operates 3.

b) SA shares the route with ABJ, hence the limitations on seats.

c) if SA is given more frequencies while VK is still young and new on the route, the success of the latter will be somewhat challenged by a well established competitor. So these restrictions are to VK's advantage either way.

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: EurostarVA
Posted 2005-10-23 22:21:36 and read 2889 times.

SA7700 wrote:
...meaning VK will still have only 3x weekly services (IIRC)with A343's.

Let us keep one thing in mind. The Nigerian government applied comman sense and avoided the allocation of daily frequencies to SAA for the simple reason of protecting its embryonic Virgin Nigeria and maximizing its prospects.

Once both VK and SA are on the route and stablized, we can expect both parties to exchange unlimited frequencies.

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: EurostarVA
Posted 2005-10-23 22:42:31 and read 2868 times.

VIASA,

do you have a link to the photo? I believe the a/c is registered 5N-VNA  Wink

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Viasa
Posted 2005-10-24 20:16:27 and read 2783 times.

Here is a picture

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Soups
Posted 2005-10-24 20:29:46 and read 2765 times.

Looks clean for a change

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: PlaneFreaknATL
Posted 2005-10-24 21:06:16 and read 2746 times.

The livery actually looks pretty sharp on this one!
Still think ol' Richard should give up the red, and let them paint the tail in green!  biggrin 

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: Soups
Posted 2005-10-24 21:10:14 and read 2737 times.

green and red :chirstmas colours....

Quoting PlaneFreaknATL (Reply 28):
The livery actually looks pretty sharp on this one!
Still think ol' Richard should give up the red, and let them paint the tail in green!

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: EurostarVA
Posted 2005-10-24 22:14:33 and read 2703 times.

Looks indeed very sharp! But is this the same 5N-VNA bird before it got the new Nigerian registration or the 2nd aircraft to be repainted?

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: ETStar
Posted 2005-10-24 22:42:38 and read 2686 times.

Is it just me or does the green on the 733 appear to be darker? At any rate, it looks nicer, especially since the 'craft is shorter and makes for less white space.

As for the red, it is part of the Virgin brand's identity, so it should remain as this is part of a bigger, global presence.

Topic: RE: Virgin Nigeria To Johannesburg!
Username: B742
Posted 2005-10-24 22:44:53 and read 2689 times.

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 25):
I believe the a/c is registered 5N-VNA

Actualy the aircraft is currently registered as N306FL!

First Virgin Nigeria 737-300 - First Pics (by B742 Oct 24 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Rob!  wave 


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