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Topic: Does AA Operate Ant Domestic 777 Flights.
Username: Che
Posted 2000-06-27 04:35:56 and read 2096 times.

Does AA opretate ant domestic 777 flights?

Topic: RE: Does AA Operate Ant Domestic 777 Flights.
Username: Tritanic
Posted 2000-06-27 04:47:31 and read 2027 times.

Che I checked and found one domestic routing....which is DFW to ORD....it's most likely a training flight. DL uses ATL to MCO as a training route for their 777, which is designed mainly for international routings.

Topic: RE: Does AA Operate Ant Domestic 777 Flights.
Username: Bacardi182
Posted 2000-06-27 05:52:46 and read 2003 times.

don't forget dfw-mia. gonna be flying on that flight in july  

Topic: RE: Does AA Operate Ant Domestic 777 Flights.
Username: AA 737-800
Posted 2000-06-27 06:00:30 and read 1996 times.

I was listening to DFW ATC on the internet, and I heard them give AA flight 9400 Heavy permission to take off. I thought it was odd to have a flight number that high and for it to be a heavy. I looked it up on thetrip.com's flight tracker, and it said that it was an AA 777 going from DFW-ELP. I didn't think that that route would bring in that many passengers. Any comments?

Topic: RE: Does AA Operate Ant Domestic 777 Flights.
Username: FLY777UAL
Posted 2000-06-27 06:02:37 and read 1994 times.

AA9400 to ELP is without a doubt a training flight.

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L

Topic: RE: Does AA Operate Ant Domestic 777 Flights.
Username: Tritanic
Posted 2000-06-27 06:04:26 and read 1987 times.

AA737-800 you must have misunderstood. I just looked at AA's operations today and they only flew in MD-80-s, 100's, and 727's, I don't foresee AA flying a widebody 553 miles.

Topic: RE: Does AA Operate Ant Domestic 777 Flights.
Username: AA 737-800
Posted 2000-06-27 06:17:13 and read 1979 times.

Tritanic:
I am sure that I didn't understand, but if I did than why would it be on Flight Tracker @ thetrip.com as well? My hearing may be bad, but not that bad.  

Topic: RE: Does AA Operate Ant Domestic 777 Flights.
Username: AAR90
Posted 2000-06-27 07:22:41 and read 1969 times.

The DFW-ORD and ORD-DFW B777 flights are actually positioning flights that position an aircraft as a spare (backup) to protect one or more priority international departures. Since a plane is going to be making the trip on a regular basis, AA sells the seats on the flights to the public. This is also done for overnight parking flights and explains why so many of the flights to Tulsa always seem to have mechanical delays (major maintenance station).

AA uses 9XXX series flight numbers for non-scheduled operations. Could have been a charter or more likely a pilot training flight where the active portion of the flight plan was to ELP, but with one or more future legs to follow. i.e. did not stop at ELP but perhaps overflew or did touch&go.

As to AA flying widebodies on short routes, it has happened in the past and will probably do so again in the future. I once did two consecutive months of DFW-ELP DC10 flights with ~50 pax each way. Parking flight to avoid DFW's very high overnight parking fees.

Topic: RE: Does AA Operate Ant Domestic 777 Flights.
Username: AA 737-800
Posted 2000-06-27 17:00:13 and read 1935 times.

AAR90,
I see what you mean about the overnight parking fees, here at LBB we have 3 American Eagle planes park overnight and leave on scheduled flights in the morning. But why would they park a 777 overnight in ELP instead of LAX, ORD, or MIA where they might need the airplane in the morning, or why wouldn't they park it at an airport closer to DFW like Wichita Falls or even Ft. Worth Alliance?

Topic: RE: Does AA Operate Ant Domestic 777 Flights.
Username: AAR90
Posted 2000-06-28 07:23:04 and read 1891 times.

>But why would they park a 777 overnight in ELP
>instead of LAX, ORD, or MIA where they might
>need the airplane in the morning,

The easy one: I know LAX has no parking spaces available.

On the DC10 ELP parking flights I did ELP was chosen for a number of reasons. Only an hour from DFW, lots of parking space, low airport costs (parking and landing fees, etc.), cheap hotel rooms close to airport (minimum crew rest scheduled), and a location at least some pax wanted to travel to regularly at the late hour the flight operated (12 midnight nightly arrival).

AA parks aircraft away from ORD overnights as I've done many a late night parking flight to NY, PA, MN, MI etc. So I doubt AA would fly an aircraft _to_ ORD to get it away from DFW. Probably similar situation at MIA.


>...or why wouldn't they park it at an airport closer to DFW
>like Wichita Falls or even Ft. Worth Alliance?

Operational cost difference is minimal and there is no AA DFW service to those stations. Any pax you can carry on these parking flights is important to reducing the expense for the parking away from the hub so you prefer to do it somewhere you already have service to draw at least some pax for the flights. The 50 or so pax we regularly carried on the DC10 ELP flights more than paid for the fuel to operate the flight and the crew was scheduled in such a way that it was receiving minimum guarantee for the trip while returning to DFW early enough to sit around the airport as a ready reserve for a while before leaving for their home base (LAX in my case).

All in all it is a compromise that produces minimum cost to park aircraft that is not being used in its primary role of producing revenue.

Topic: RE: Does AA Operate Ant Domestic 777 Flights.
Username: CannedSpam
Posted 2000-06-28 16:21:44 and read 1883 times.

AAR90,

AA may previously have "parked" aircraft in different stations to avoid a overnight fee, however that is not a practice that is done today.


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