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Topic: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: BA
Posted 2005-12-14 09:26:17 and read 4862 times.

I know Boeing has selected Evergreen Aviation Technologies Corporation (EGAT) together with various suppliers to convert 3 747-400 passenger aircraft into the 747 Large Cargo Freighter (LCF) for transporting fuselage components for the 787 program, much like Airbus' A300-600ST Beluga.

My question is when did Evergreen Aviation Technologies Corporation get involved in the aircraft development and conversions business? I know they are a joint venture between Taiwanese-carrier EVA Air and General Electric and are one of the world's top aircraft maintenance contractors with many customers, but I had no idea they've entered the aircraft development and conversions industry. Do they do regular freighter conversions as well, or is this 747 Large Cargo Freighter project a first for them?









When can we expect to see the first "Boeing Beluga?"

Also, where will the 787's fuselage be built since this aircraft will be used mainly to transport the 787's fuselages to Everett?

I know Airbus uses the A300-600ST Beluga to transport aircraft components between various suppliers and the two main assembly locations, Toulose, France and Hamburg, Germany.

Regards

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: CX flyboy
Posted 2005-12-14 15:32:45 and read 4672 times.

The first 744 to be converted recently entered the hangar after long storage sitting outside the hangars.

The second 744 to be converted is still sitting outside the hangars although in the last 3 weeks or so there has been some activity around it as well.

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: Kiwiandrew
Posted 2005-12-14 15:36:52 and read 4664 times.

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 1):
The first 744 to be converted recently entered the hangar after long storage sitting outside the hangars.

The second 744 to be converted is still sitting outside the hangars

anyone know the history of the a/c - who operated them previously ?

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: FlyingHippo
Posted 2005-12-14 15:53:35 and read 4601 times.

Two of them were operated by China Airlines, which Boeing purchased.

I think the third one was operated by BR? I'm not too sure.

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: Stitch
Posted 2005-12-14 15:56:23 and read 4589 times.

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
Does (Evergreen Aviation Technologies Corporation) do regular freighter conversions as well?

Are they the ones doing the 747-400 passenger to freighter conversions?

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: N328KF
Posted 2005-12-14 16:17:07 and read 4531 times.

Boeing Rocketdyne? I thought Rocketdyne only did propulsors. And now they're a unit of UTC.

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: Cloudyapple
Posted 2005-12-14 16:22:20 and read 4508 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 4):
Are they the ones doing the 747-400 passenger to freighter conversions?

BCF is TAECO in Xiamen, Mainland China
LCF is Evergreen, Taiwan

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: CruzinAltitude
Posted 2005-12-14 16:47:13 and read 4459 times.

Quick note, thanks BA for a great posting with great pictures. I wish more people could start threads in a manner consistent with this one.

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: CX flyboy
Posted 2005-12-14 16:56:02 and read 4432 times.

One is ex-China Airlines B-18271 and is now N249BA. This is the one sitting outside the hangar. The other is ex- B18272 and is now N780BA. This is the one now in the hangar. Here is a link to a photo:


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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Camus Tseng

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: NYC777
Posted 2005-12-14 16:56:51 and read 4430 times.

I beleive the first 744 already had it's top removed in prepartation for the major bulbous top to be grafted on the lower part of the fuselage.

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: Trex8
Posted 2005-12-14 18:50:29 and read 4286 times.

the 3rd is an AirChina bird B2464

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: KhenleyDIA
Posted 2005-12-14 19:08:34 and read 4243 times.

I take it that no one has access to these planes to get pictures from the process?? It would be pretty cool to see a picture or a number of pictures from this. Hopefully in the future, one of the companies involved will share about the process.

KhenleyDIA

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: AirbusA346
Posted 2005-12-14 19:16:47 and read 4212 times.

Is there any more photos on the net, because this looks very interesting.

How will the join the new fuselarge to the main plane.

Tom.

Edit: Spelling

[Edited 2005-12-14 19:17:53]

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: BA
Posted 2005-12-14 20:26:52 and read 4083 times.

Thanks a lot for all the info. I can't wait to see the real thing.

Does anyone know what livery will look like?

They should call it "787 Transporter" or something catchy like that.  Smile

Regards

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: Mham001
Posted 2005-12-14 20:54:53 and read 4025 times.

Wonder what the contingency plan is if for some reason these don't work. Boeing has a lot riding on these three planes.

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: BA
Posted 2005-12-14 21:28:38 and read 3977 times.

Quoting Mham001 (Reply 14):
Wonder what the contingency plan is if for some reason these don't work. Boeing has a lot riding on these three planes.

Indeed, I guess chartering a couple Volga Dnepr AN-124s is always an option, although very costly for Boeing in the long run.  Smile

Does anyone know where the 787's fuselage will be constructed? I think this is the first time a Boeing aircraft built at the Everett plant will have its fuselage built elsewhere. The reason I say this is I believe the 737 fuselages are built in Wichita, Kansas...

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong though.

Regards

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: A350
Posted 2005-12-14 21:46:38 and read 3936 times.

Does anyone have the length, height and width of the cargo department? Maybe A380 parts would fit inside. In that case, Airbus could buy two of them and paint "A380 inside" on them  hyper 

A350

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: NYC777
Posted 2005-12-14 21:49:46 and read 3923 times.

Quoting A350 (Reply 16):
Maybe A380 parts would fit inside.

I like that Idea.. You need a 747 to build an A380...not good PR for Airbus, N'est pas?

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: BA
Posted 2005-12-14 21:51:33 and read 3912 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 17):
I like that Idea.. You need a 747 to build an A380...not good PR for Airbus, N'est pas?

Exactly my thoughts.  Smile

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: USAF336TFS
Posted 2005-12-14 21:55:20 and read 3888 times.

Quoting BA (Reply 15):
Does anyone know where the 787's fuselage will be constructed?

I believe that the major fuselage assemblies will be built in Vought's Texas and new South Carolina factories. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: NYC777
Posted 2005-12-14 21:58:14 and read 3878 times.

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 19):
I believe that the major fuselage assemblies will be built in Vought's Texas and new South Carolina factories. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

And Italy..it'll be shipped to SC to be mated up with the rear (I think) fuselage and then flown to Everett.

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: Aerlinguscargo
Posted 2005-12-15 04:41:54 and read 3719 times.

Quoting BA (Thread starter):
My question is when did Evergreen Aviation Technologies Corporation get involved in the aircraft development and conversions business?

I could be wrong but didn't Evergreen convert another 747 for firefighting duty.

dh

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2005-12-15 04:48:21 and read 3702 times.

Quoting BA (Thread starter):

Also, where will the 787's fuselage be built since this aircraft will be used mainly to transport the 787's fuselages to Everett?

Mostly in Italia... then integrated in SC.

Quoting BA (Reply 15):

Indeed, I guess chartering a couple Volga Dnepr AN-124s is always an option, although very costly for Boeing in the long run.

Negatory... the AN124 isn't big enough for the 787's fuse, I don't think.

N

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: Centrair
Posted 2005-12-15 05:36:06 and read 3632 times.

Boeing Commercial Airplanes Washington
Airplane development, integration, final assembly, program leadership

Alenia/Vought Aircraft Industries Italy, Texas
Horizontal stabilizer, center fuselage, aft fuselage

Spirit Aerosystems Inc. Kansas, Oklahoma
Fixed and movable leading edges, flight deck, part of forward fuselage, engine pylons

Fuji Heavy Industries Japan
Center wing box, integration of the center wing box with the main landing gear wheel well

Kawasaki Heavy Industries Japan
Main landing gear wheel well, main wing fixed trailing edge, part of forward fuselage

Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Japan
Wing box

These are some of the things I think might be on the Mega747.
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/787family/dev_team.html

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: Vapar8
Posted 2005-12-15 07:52:05 and read 3542 times.

To bad the A380 parts wont fit inside. Before they got there Belugas you use to be able to say. Every Airbuses first flight was on a boeing. They use to fly those old Super Guppys.

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: PiedmontINT
Posted 2005-12-15 09:35:36 and read 3464 times.

Quoting Aerlinguscargo (Reply 21):
I could be wrong but didn't Evergreen convert another 747 for firefighting duty.

They sure did:

Evergreen 747 Tanker

Topic: RE: 747 Large Cargo Freighter For 787 Production
Username: 747Loadmaster
Posted 2005-12-15 10:30:41 and read 3436 times.

The Evergreen they are talking about here is EIA (Evergreen International Airlines) and not EVA.
EIA will supply some crews and Cargolux sum, I think 90%-10%.


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