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Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-14 04:27:59 and read 5150 times.

Will they go with absolute maximum seating configuration like AIr Transats 363 in 2 classes (2-3-2 in club & 3-3-3 in Y) ???

Probably !!! Would such as aircraft fully loaded be weight restricted HNL/SYD?

Hope they don't just do HNL/SYD. Hope they also do HNL/BNE & HNL/MEL.

Nobody wants to transit at horrible SYD !!!!

& who will they partner with at HNL for thru traffic? Westjet or ?

There are some cheap charter flights organised by casinos HNL/LAS !!! (using Omni Int Dc10's & 757's)

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-14 04:30:25 and read 5133 times.

more on high density 2 class seating config. on 332 from Air Transat's website ...

http://www.airtransat.ca/en/7_3_2.asp

AIRBUS A330-200


Engines:
2 Rolls Royce TRENT 772B

Thrust:
71,100 lb (32,250 daN)

Fuel Capacity:
245,316 lb (111,272 kg)

Cruising Speed:
Mach 0.82 (870 km/h)

Maximum Take-Off Weight:
509,042 lb (230,900 kg)

Overall Length:
193 ft 7 in (59.00 m)

Wingspan:
197 ft 10 in (60.304 m)

Tail Height:
58 ft 8 in (17.89 m)

Cabin Length:
147 ft (45.04 m)

Maximum Range:
12 hours, up to 6,000 nautical miles (9,600 km)

Crew:
13 (Captain, First Officer, Flight Director, Assistant Flight Director and 9 Flight Attendants)

Seats:
363 (21 in Club Class and 342 in Economy Class), twin aisle, 3-3-3 configuration in Economy Class

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Ikramerica
Posted 2005-12-14 04:32:21 and read 5122 times.

Quoting Simpilicity (Thread starter):
who will they partner with at HNL for thru traffic?

why not AA? the 767s they fly to HNL with 2-2-2 in "premium" would be a good match to the 2-3-2J, though the 2-3-2 Y seating will feel luxurious after sitting in the 3-3-3 332 for 10 hours.

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: HKGKaiTak
Posted 2005-12-14 04:38:14 and read 5082 times.

Whilst I don't mind Junkstar being used in posts I don't particularly enjoy reading about "Junkstar" in the title ... seriously ...

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-14 04:57:06 and read 5031 times.

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 3):
Whilst I don't mind Junkstar being used in posts I don't particularly enjoy reading about "Junkstar" in the title ... seriously ...

Well it's hardly going to be luxury, but the prices will be lower !!!

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-14 04:59:25 and read 5021 times.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
though the 2-3-2 Y seating will feel luxurious after sitting in the 3-3-3 332 for 10 hours.

Would there be actually much difference in seat width between 2-4-2 in Y (a la Canada 3000) & 3-3-3 (a la Air Transat).

The aisle would be narrower, but how much narrower would the seat be, 1cm?

Anyone know exactly assuming the aisle was as narrow as it can be.

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Lazybones
Posted 2005-12-14 05:09:51 and read 4999 times.

Quoting Simpilicity (Thread starter):
Will they go with absolute maximum seating configuration like AIr Transats 363 in 2 classes (2-3-2 in club & 3-3-3 in Y) ???

9 Abreast in a A330, AirTransat should change their name to "DVT Air". Are these A330 for JetStar coming from the Qantas fleet??

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-14 05:20:52 and read 4967 times.

Quoting Lazybones (Reply 6):
Are these A330 for JetStar coming from the Qantas fleet??

I don't think news release said ? They have some more due soon I think ?

Does anyone know for sure?

Perhaps they're new ones, so could come direct from factory with 363 or more seats. Canada 3000 had a very clever layout with toilets hidden away near exits & no bukheads with galleys at front & back only. Weird when u 1st got on one of 2T's 332's & from front door could see every seat on aircraft.

Some clever layout is what's needed here, with small galleys !!!

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Miami1
Posted 2005-12-14 05:48:38 and read 4910 times.

Simplicity -
I am going out on a limb and saying you will see the 332s in identical configuration to the Qantas set up.

Using the term 'Junkstar' in a thread title is neither funny nor clever, by the way.

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Lufthansa
Posted 2005-12-14 06:04:07 and read 4879 times.

An even better layout would be to stick the lavs downstairs like Lufthansa have done on the A346, or Novair did on their 332s.

They're not going to be carrying much cargo other than passengers baggage, so the space isn't really needed.

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Lufthansa
Posted 2005-12-14 06:12:03 and read 4865 times.

By the way Miami, im on your bloody jetstar on the 19th, my MEL-OOL. My f*cKi#g himbo PA booked me on it and booked a non-refundable fair so here I come.

JQ244. Working by any chance?

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-14 06:42:24 and read 4822 times.

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 9):
I am going out on a limb and saying you will see the 332s in identical configuration to the Qantas set up.

Will they come from existing fleet?

Why wouldn't they go for a higher density layout, when u can get at least 363 on board in a 2 class layout?


Jetstar is known at Junkstar in the travel agent community as QF is known as dodgy ... + United "we die" TAA - try another airline etc. etc. etc.

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Boeing744
Posted 2005-12-14 07:10:32 and read 4779 times.

Quoting Lazybones (Reply 6):
9 Abreast in a A330, AirTransat should change their name to "DVT Air".

Oh yes... I have flown TS (332) on a 5 hr. flight and it was absolutely horrible. The seat pitch sucked too. I certainly hope Jetstar does not decide to use this configuration in their new aircraft.

An interesting note on the state of TS's Y seating (although off topic)... Lufthansa is not known for having a lot of space in Y on their 744's. But, TS crams more people in Y into a A332, then LH puts (in Y) in a 744. This applies to every configuration LH has.

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-14 07:17:07 and read 4770 times.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 13):
Oh yes... I have flown TS (332) on a 5 hr. flight and it was absolutely horrible. The seat pitch sucked too. I certainly hope Jetstar does not decide to use this configuration in their new aircraft.

But you knew this before you flew or didn't you check their website OR ask someone.

Anyway, I think you're all missing the point !!!

By putting max seating on board, they can lower the fares to point where those who would not otherwise fly overseas, do, like how DJ & JQ have increased domestic flying.

A really smart option, would possibly be to have say 2 classes within Y, ie. maybe have 3-3-3 seating at back & 2-4-2 seating at front with slightly more seat pitch. A bit like the Blue Zone on DJ or economy plus on UA or various airlines these days.

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-14 07:19:10 and read 4767 times.

Also seat pitch doesn't take into account thickness of seat. I remember flying a on an NZ 767 a few years ago trans tasman & seats where very thin, which increased leg room but not seat pitch.

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: CorsairF/a
Posted 2005-12-14 10:53:50 and read 4652 times.

Star Airlines a french charter airline got 2 A330-200 with 365 seats in 2 class and fly nonstop from CDG to CUN and CDG/MLE.

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-14 11:00:13 and read 4630 times.

Quoting CorsairF/a (Reply 16):
Star Airlines a french charter airline got 2 A330-200 with 365 seats in 2 class and fly nonstop from CDG to CUN and CDG/MLE.

Wow can anyone top that? Was that is 1 or 2 classes? Maybe Jetstar INT will try for 400+ !!!

Seriously, what's the max. an A332 is certified for?

I heard A380 is certified for 853 & B743 certificed for 620.

Corsair has 743 with 570 or is it 580 in 2 classes or 1?

Topic: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: EGNR
Posted 2005-12-14 11:57:27 and read 4539 times.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 17):
Quoting CorsairF/a (Reply 16):
Star Airlines a french charter airline got 2 A330-200 with 365 seats in 2 class and fly nonstop from CDG to CUN and CDG/MLE.

Wow can anyone top that? Was that is 1 or 2 classes? Maybe Jetstar INT will try for 400+ !!!

Monarch Airlines fly two A330-200s with 374 seats in a two class configuration... Source

Thomas Cook Airlines 'only' have 354 seats... Source

I'm not sure about MyTravel Airways cabin layout, but I think Monarch have the highest number of seats on their A330-200.

[Edited 2005-12-14 12:02:56]

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: ANstar
Posted 2005-12-14 13:14:10 and read 4423 times.

Perhaps they won't reconfigure the aircraft form their current "domestic" configuration.

QF did mention that Jetstar would be introducing a premium economy which would be similar to domestic business class.

So I'd presume (and it would make sense) that they would be config'd as 38 Premium Economy and 265 normal economy.

ANstar

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Wunala
Posted 2005-12-14 13:38:00 and read 4388 times.

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 8):
I am going out on a limb and saying you will see the 332s in identical configuration to the Qantas set up

Miami1, I wouldn't even go out on a limb. I think you will find the exterior will be painted, but interior will be the same.

Quoting Lufthansa (Reply 10):
My f*cKi#g himbo PA booked me on it and booked a non-refundable fair so here I come

Well, I hope he can spell better that you. Mind you, by the fact he actually booked the flight instead of the circus you were expecting, then maybe you should be offering an apology?

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-14 14:15:50 and read 4336 times.

Quoting EGNR (Reply 17):
Monarch Airlines fly two A330-200s with 374 seats in a two class configuration

Wow 374 in 2 classes (3-3-3 in Y & 2-4-2 in premium - must have an extra mm. of leg room)

seating capacity 374 seats in two classes:
51 in Premium Cabin
323 in the main cabin

Why on earth would anyone think that Jetstar INT would go any less than this?

It's not SQ business class, it budget city, with no included drinks or food !!! (still can't believe they would think they cn get away with no drinks/food on a 10 hour flight !!! )

The guy who runs Jetstar now used to work for Ryanair, the incredibly successful airline, who are doing away with window shades, seat back pockets & reclining seats. Maybe he might jam a few more seats in the ceiling like some new business class products !!! (not as silly as it sounds, but would that increase maximum seating capacity ???

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: A360
Posted 2005-12-14 16:30:20 and read 4245 times.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 20):
Maybe he might jam a few more seats in the ceiling like some new business class products !!! (not as silly as it sounds, but would that increase maximum seating capacity ???

Business class in the ceiling?!
Maybe you are refering to the 777 crew rest areas on top of the cabin... but that's not revenue seats... for crew use only.

Regards:
A360

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: BlrBird
Posted 2005-12-14 22:10:50 and read 4138 times.

What are the possible routes Jetstar is looking at?

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: ANstar
Posted 2005-12-14 22:30:45 and read 4115 times.

Quoting BlrBird (Reply 22):
What are the possible routes Jetstar is looking at?

Apparently destinations QF currently serve, but from different starting points... so think Asia & HNL for now...

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Aussie_
Posted 2005-12-14 22:39:12 and read 4096 times.

Media today is saying Jetstar will go head to head with Qantas mainline to the USA as part of a strategy to avoid competition on the pacific route...



Thurs "Sydney Morning Herald"

Qantas signals Pacific fare war . . . with itself
By Clive Dorman and Rod Myer
December 15, 2005

QANTAS yesterday vowed to slash fares to the United States, announcing the planned expansion of its budget carrier Jetstar to US routes and a massive $10 billion investment in 65 new-generation Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft from 2008.

The move will add to the political pressure on the Howard Government to keep Singapore Airlines locked out of the lucrative Pacific routes and is designed to deflect one of main arguments for exposing Qantas to more competition over the Pacific — that the airline has been charging excessive fares to Los Angeles and San Francisco.

By launching discount flights to North America, Qantas is also trying to head off moves by its domestic competitor, Virgin Blue, to fly to Los Angeles.

Singapore Airlines has been lobbying the Federal Government for permission to fly the Sydney-Los Angeles route, one of the most lucrative in the world, because Qantas currently faces competition from only one carrier, a weakened United Airlines trading under bankruptcy protection.

Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said Jetstar would line up against its parent airline on US routes "in the immediate future " — well before the introduction of the new planes. The 787s will revolutionise the economics of the airline, allowing it to operate more direct services to Asia and North America.

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-14 22:51:42 and read 4080 times.

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 24):
Dixon said Jetstar would line up against its parent airline on US routes "in the immediate future "

This probably therefore means using HNL as a hub, (as high density A332's won't make west coast even from BNE) BUT would have to codeshare with AA over domestic routes from HNL to mainland USA hopefully avoiding awful LAX & HNL/Canada where presumably they could use rights in the opposite way to AC.

OR perhaps they could use the 743's (some of which fly SYD/HNL now; some on Hajj charters with GA) but in a higher seat density. Boeing says 743's can carry up to 620 with right number of exits.

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Miami1
Posted 2005-12-16 08:48:00 and read 3929 times.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 20):
Why on earth would anyone think that Jetstar INT would go any less than this?

The 330s will be configured indentical to QF domestic configuration. 7 abreast in Y+ with 38" pitch and 8 abreast in Y with 31" pitch.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 20):
The guy who runs Jetstar now used to work for Ryanair, the incredibly successful airline, who are doing away with window shades, seat back pockets & reclining seats.

QantasLink have done that for YEARS on their Dh8s. NO window shades or recline. They have even removed half the galley on the -300s and the water heaters for the lav sink. And that is a full service carrier.

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: FCKC
Posted 2005-12-16 09:56:24 and read 3897 times.

Any idea , when will these A330s for Jetstar come from ?
Qantas ? ILFC ? Others ?

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: ClassicLover
Posted 2005-12-16 10:47:16 and read 3858 times.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 27):
Any idea , when will these A330s for Jetstar come from ?
Qantas ? ILFC ? Others ?

Qantas! The current 4 A332s are being transferred, and apparently a couple of the new 333s will be sent to Jetstar until the 787s arrive. Once the 787s arrive, the A330s will be replaced on a one for one basis.

Trent.

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Pilotdude09
Posted 2005-12-16 17:02:10 and read 3781 times.

Quoting Simpilicity (Thread starter):
Nobody wants to transit at horrible SYD !!!!

Sydneys not that bad to transit domestically, you get to drive accross the airport and drive right next to 744s  Smile

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 16):
I heard A380 is certified for 853

Dont tell jetstar that!, next they will be getting QF's A380s with 800 seat capacity lol

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: ClassicLover
Posted 2005-12-16 17:31:10 and read 3755 times.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 25):
OR perhaps they could use the 743's (some of which fly SYD/HNL now; some on Hajj charters with GA) but in a higher seat density. Boeing says 743's can carry up to 620 with right number of exits.

743s won't go to Jetstar, due to the operating costs of the aircraft. They are three cockpit crew analog machines, meaning they'd have to use existing QF pilots on existing QF salaries. The whole point of JQ is to avoid this.

Trent.

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-17 04:51:49 and read 3668 times.

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 26):
The 330s will be configured indentical to QF domestic configuration. 7 abreast in Y+ with 38" pitch and 8 abreast in Y with 31" pitch.

Why would they do it this way? Certainly not the Jetstar way. By going 3-3-3 in Y they can get an extra 40 or so seats, by cutting aisle down & seat width by what 5mm.?

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 30):
743s won't go to Jetstar, due to the operating costs of the aircraft. They are three cockpit crew analog machines, meaning they'd have to use existing QF pilots on existing QF salaries. The whole point of JQ is to avoid this.

Trent.

They could use QF pilots & flight engineer & foreign cabin crew from somewhere in Asia, who'll work for 1/10 of QF flight attendants & do a lot more (that wouldn't be hard)

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: ANstar
Posted 2005-12-18 12:43:01 and read 3551 times.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 20):
(still can't believe they would think they cn get away with no drinks/food on a 10 hour flight !!! )

You will be able to get food and drinks, but you will need to pay for it (at this stage, but I expect that to change)

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 25):
This probably therefore means using HNL as a hub, (as high density A332's won't make west coast even from BNE) BUT would have to codeshare with AA over domestic routes from HNL to mainland USA hopefully avoiding awful LAX & HNL/Canada where presumably they could use rights in the opposite way to AC.

OR perhaps they could use the 743's (some of which fly SYD/HNL now; some on Hajj charters with GA) but in a higher seat density. Boeing says 743's can carry up to 620 with right number of exits.

Not sure where you;ve been, but Jetstar won;t be getting ANY 747-300's. I also doubt they will use HNL as a hub. Yes they will fly to HNL, but the West Coast USA routes will start after the 787 comes online.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 31):
Why would they do it this way? Certainly not the Jetstar way. By going 3-3-3 in Y they can get an extra 40 or so seats, by cutting aisle down & seat width by what 5mm.?

Yawn. It'll be the current domestic configuration.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 31):
They could use QF pilots & flight engineer & foreign cabin crew from somewhere in Asia, who'll work for 1/10 of QF flight attendants & do a lot more (that wouldn't be hard)

Nope. They'll use Aussie labour but at more comeptitive and realistic salaries than QF mainline.

Now, all this Jetstar, Qantas and Sydney bashing is getting tiring, do you have anything else to say? (apart form loving UA)

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Simpilicity
Posted 2005-12-19 00:25:01 and read 3450 times.

Quoting ANstar (Reply 32):
(apart form loving UA)

Who loves UA ? Not us !!! But if they don't get their act together, we have QF or JQ Int, as the only options to North America from Australia, which will mean (simplictically) fares will go up & service will be downgraded !!!

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: Gigneil
Posted 2005-12-19 00:36:39 and read 3437 times.

QF's 332s are the lowest gross weight available, and powered by the weakest engine option available.

Changes will need to be made.

N

Topic: RE: Jetstar Int To Get 4 X 332's-how Many Seats 363?
Username: 6thfreedom
Posted 2005-12-19 04:20:32 and read 3380 times.

Quoting Simpilicity (Reply 20):
Why on earth would anyone think that Jetstar INT would go any less than this?

Because if they launch services early 2007, and B787 deliveries commence 2008, it may not be cost effective to start changing the config.

It may also be easier for QF to get rid of the A332's in 2008 by maintaining the current config, and also at a higher return.

Simplicity, I think you need to start thinking outside the square...

Just because it's a low cost operator doesn't mean it will go for the ultra high density that happens in Europe. That's comparing apples with oranges.


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