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Topic: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: JetBlueGuy2006
Posted 2006-01-11 01:23:39 and read 3908 times.

First off-

This is my first post on A.net, and it is very exciting. I have surfed the site for a while and finally decided to join to participate in discussion boards. Also, I have searched and I don't see this topic posted anywhere, so if it is I apologize.

Anyway, I am a huge jetBlue fan and I was wondering if anyone has heard any rumblings about when & if jetBlue is planning on starting service into Michigan. It would make sense to me because they have the new RJ-190 and no airlines that fly into LAN, GRR, FNT fly out to New York and low fares would be great around here.

Any thoughts would be welcome

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: SHUPirate1
Posted 2006-01-11 01:30:20 and read 3890 times.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Thread starter):
It would make sense to me because they have the new RJ-190 and no airlines that fly into LAN, GRR, FNT fly out to New York

American (Eagle) flies GRR-LGA twice a day nonstop with the ERJ-135...

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: AirTran737
Posted 2006-01-11 02:06:09 and read 3824 times.

MIchigan is Northwest Territory, and they don't take kindly to new entrants. A great example is how when FL boosted capacity our of FNT NW jumped right in and announced the same cities and flight times. NW does not play well with LCC's and B6 would have a run for their money if they came into Michigan. GRR is a great airport and it has one open jetway at the end of the A concourse, but the biggest thing is that GRR charges its tenants way too much to fly in and out of their airport. Landing fees aren't bad, but facility fees are outrageous. If B6 comes to Michigan they will be going to DTW, and even there they will be in for a huge dogfight.

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: JetBlueguy2006
Posted 2006-01-11 02:13:41 and read 3801 times.

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 1):
MIchigan is Northwest Territory, and they don't take kindly to new entrants

True, but with them coming in, I think people would take well to the concept of B6. NW is an older airline that has had troubles in the past and people are looking for options. I know that when Flyi came to LAN, NW announced matching fares, but they were so new that no one knew what they were about. On the same hand, B6 has established themselves as a reliable, low-cost friendly airline, Unlike NW. Anyone agree

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: Isitsafenow
Posted 2006-01-11 02:14:03 and read 3800 times.

COEX does a GRR-EWR I do believe.

safe

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: AirTran737
Posted 2006-01-11 02:15:35 and read 3793 times.

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4):
COEX does a GRR-EWR I do believe

They do indeed, and both NW and DL codeshare on it.

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: AirTran737
Posted 2006-01-11 02:18:19 and read 3785 times.

Quoting JetBlueguy2006 (Reply 3):
On the same hand, B6 has established themselves as a reliable, low-cost friendly airline, Unlike NW. Anyone agree

I agree that B6 is a more friendly airline than NW, but the biggest thing other than it being NW territory is that Middle America doest know who B6 is. Theres a good thread about it right now its about B6 coming to ORD. B6 will need to do a lot of P.R. to get their name out there, and NW would counter with it's own heartland P.R. campaign.

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: Tornado82
Posted 2006-01-11 02:27:11 and read 3757 times.

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4):
COEX does a GRR-EWR I do believe.

Flew on it a couple months ago, unless they recently dumped it.

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: JetBlueGuy2006
Posted 2006-01-11 02:28:03 and read 3755 times.

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 6):
B6 will need to do a lot of P.R. to get their name out there, and NW would counter with it's own heartland P.R. campaign.

Understandable, but they, B6, has such a great team that I think they could do it. I believe also that it would also give a small, but very needed boost to the local economy. NW has dominated MI for a long time, but with them being in bankruptcy, B6 would--in my opinion--be well received by the flyers of Mid-Michigan and could thrive, if given enough time, unlike what happened with FlyI.

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: 2H4
Posted 2006-01-11 02:36:55 and read 3726 times.



First of all, JetBlueGuy, welcome to A.net! You'll be glad you joined.

FWIW, years ago, I remember filling out a survey on Jetblue's website. In it, they asked where you'd like to see Jetblue begin service. There weren't many to choose from, but among the choices was GRR.




2H4


Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: JetBlueguy2006
Posted 2006-01-11 02:40:22 and read 3714 times.

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 9):
There weren't many to choose from, but among the choices was GRR.

That is a great sign for me. Not only would I like to fly them as much as possible, but I would also like to start to work for them. I think there concept is an excellent one and I could fully support it. Even though I live near LAN, the commute isn't too bad and I would be willing to commit becuase they are such a great company

[Edited 2006-01-11 02:43:33]

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: N723GW
Posted 2006-01-11 02:57:29 and read 3669 times.

There was a very big hustle this summer about a rumor of B6 coming to GRR. They toured and apparently liked what they saw- except for the operating cost. But, now with C8 and USX gone, there is a demand for a low-cost carrier. However, there are 2 daily flights to New York LaGuardia through AE, 3 to Newark through ExpressJet, and though it doesn't really matter, NW has one or two "one-stops" into the NY area. NW does walk around like they own GRR, but B6 could definatly take over the airport. A few years ago, SWA wanted to do GRR but they wanted 60% of all flights in and out, GRR officials said no, NWA is a good carrier here. But, if B6 were to do a BOS/JFK/FLL and maybe a one weekly to Nassau (wishful thinking) they would take a lot of passengers from NWA, just an example from the sites on prices and comparisons NWA/JB... a flight from JFK-LAS on B6 would be 119USD versus $542 on NWA GRR-LAS(now, I know that there are a lot of differences in the economics of the two routes, I am just using this as an example).

AND - According to faremeasure.com - Average one-way fare for this flight: $177.92
This is the average price other passengers have paid between Grand Rapids, MI and New York, NY, reported by the airlines that fly this route.
Faremeasure's Round Trip Estimate: $338.05

On average, 277 passengers travel the 626 miles between Grand Rapids, MI and New York, NY each day.
Continental AirLines carries the most passengers on this route. If you're looking for the most flexible schedule, you should consider Continental AirLines.

During the most recent reporting period, Continental AirLines had 37.97% of the market between Grand Rapids, MI and New York, NY and passengers paid an average one-way fare of $200.54.

Northwest Airlines is the low-fare carrier on this route, which means if you're looking for cheap tickets between Grand Rapids, MI and New York, NY you should check their options.
Northwest Airlines served 25.82% of the passengers flying between Grand Rapids, MI and New York, NY during the most recent reporting period, and passengers paid an average of $165.64 one-way.

Now let's do some math...

277pax divided by 224 seats available on all non-stops, that gives us about 2 open seats on every flight. This is IF those 277 go direct. But a 170 pax jet carrying a full load to the NYC area would definatly soak up GRR's desire for low cost to in this case, NYC.

Well, I hope B6 comes to GRR just because I've worked for 2 airlines and 1 of which ceases to exist (C8) and I am craving another airline job. It will definatly be interesting to see. Servisair in GRR already has "certs" per say to handle B6 diversions (anything extreme).

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: Cory6188
Posted 2006-01-11 03:00:48 and read 3659 times.

Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Thread starter):
I am a huge jetBlue fan

That's great, and with good reason, but don't be too much of a B6 zealot. Some of the a.net members here get rather irritated when the B6 fans think that the airline can do no wrong and act as if it were the second coming of Christ.

Just a quick piece of advice.  Wink

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: JetBlueGuy2006
Posted 2006-01-11 03:48:37 and read 3598 times.

Quoting N723GW (Reply 11):
Well, I hope B6 comes to GRR just because I've worked for 2 airlines and 1 of which ceases to exist (C8) and I am craving another airline job. It will definatly be interesting to see. Servisair in GRR already has "certs" per say to handle B6 diversions (anything extreme).

I would love an airline job. I have a friend who works for Skywest at KLAN, but she is a CU agent. Thats why I will be applying for B6 when and if they come to GRR.

N723GW, do you enjoy working for airlines. I want to ultimatly be a teacher, but I need a better job than I have now to help put myself through college. I hope to work for such a great company in the near future.

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: JetBluefan1
Posted 2006-01-11 04:05:18 and read 3565 times.

JetBlueGuy2006,

Welcome to the site! I too am a JetBlue fan but as another poster already advised, be aware that not everyone here loves JetBlue as much as others. That being said, always *try* to look at things from an unbiased view. Things can get pretty ugly here at A.net, as I'm sure you have seen. However, it comes with the territory and ultimately this is a very fun discussion board  Smile

In any case, I too would love to see B6 in Michigan, but they would certainly have a fight to pick with NW. Howver, I feel that since NW is currently in bankrupcy, now might be the perfect time to expand into the state. The E190s give B6 many opportunities and I'm sure we'll see some Michigan expansion soon.

All the best!

JetBluefan1

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: CALMSP
Posted 2006-01-11 04:06:18 and read 3559 times.

and starting for a period in march we are adding a 7am departure again to EWR................wish we still had LGA....that was a great route for us.

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: Lightsaber
Posted 2006-01-11 04:29:03 and read 3511 times.

JetBlueGuy2006, let me join the chorus welcoming you to a.net. I'm about to celebrate my 1st year as a member.  Smile

While I too like B6, I'll concur with others to say lets all try to post a realistic view on the airline. As a stockholder, I hope that the 17th has better news than the previous press releases reported. (Expected large loss for the quarter and small loss for the year despite 3 previous profitable quarters. I hope for breakeven for the year.)

Quoting N723GW (Reply 11):
But, if B6 were to do a BOS/JFK/FLL and maybe a one weekly to Nassau (wishful thinking) they would take a lot of passengers from NWA,

I would pick those as the three start cities. Then I would expect MCO, OAK, BUR, and IAD pretty much in that order, but much later than JFK/FLL/BOS (the order I would expect).

Sigh, I expect no news for a week from B6 due to their earnings report in a said week.  Sad

I will agree B6 is going to have a tough time with name recognition in the midwest. They've done a good job getting the word out on the coasts... but not so much inland. I expect their first "toeholds" to be a small number of destinations from their new midwest destinations and then growth. However, I do expect them to start each new city with 2 and maybe as many as 7 flights to instantly have a presence. Then again, I expected them to start AUS with flights to FLL.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: Turnit56N
Posted 2006-01-11 05:27:23 and read 3426 times.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 7):
Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 4):
COEX does a GRR-EWR I do believe.

Flew on it a couple months ago, unless they recently dumped it.

Not unless they dumped it in the last few weeks. I flew it two weeks ago. If I recall, it was a nice full flight. EWR is close to Manhatten if you're going to NYC. If you're going anywhere else, well...a connection in either CLE or EWR to another CO or XJT flight will take you hundreds of other places. So, to summarize:

Forget B6...you want to fly CO.....Continental.....you are getting very sleepy....you want to fly Continental......your eyelids are getting heavy.....ERJs are the greatest regional jet in the world.....very sleepy now.

When I snap my fingers, you will wake up remembering nothing but www.continental.com and that ERJs are good.

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: Tornado82
Posted 2006-01-11 05:55:38 and read 3386 times.

Quoting Turnit56N (Reply 17):


Forget B6...you want to fly CO.....Continental.....you are getting very sleepy....you want to fly Continental......your eyelids are getting heavy.....ERJs are the greatest regional jet in the world.....very sleepy now.

When I snap my fingers, you will wake up remembering nothing but www.continental.com and that ERJs are good.

Hahahaha!!! I love it. Maybe you hypnotized me in the past, because I agree with everything you said 100%. Continental, ERJ's, although I personally try to fly from ABE over EWR when at all financially/schedule permitting.

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: Cory6188
Posted 2006-01-11 12:53:51 and read 3305 times.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 18):
although I personally try to fly from ABE

So you take the "flight" to EWR that has four wheels and a driver? I will never understand the point of the bus service to EWR - if someone had wanted to drive to EWR, they would have done so!

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: Tornado82
Posted 2006-01-11 14:38:08 and read 3259 times.

Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 19):
So you take the "flight" to EWR that has four wheels and a driver? I will never understand the point of the bus service to EWR - if someone had wanted to drive to EWR, they would have done so!

No, I take the ERJ to CLE that has 6(?) wheels, 2 wings, and 2 pilots.  Smile

The bus to EWR is actually smart... Airspace east of ABE (actually east of the ETX VOR, a little west of ABE) into EWR/NYC is too congested as it is... those planes would probably spend more time waiting for a spot in the train going overhead to open up than they would in the air, so the bus probably has a better on-time rating than a plane to EWR would, or PHL flights on US do. My problem with the bus is it doesn't count for elite miles, and it usually costs alot more than the other bus services running from the Valley to Newark since they put the bus ride fare in line with ABE prices on other airlines to that market, not something like Newark fare + $20 (average bus fare on private buses). If I've got to go to EWR, I'd drive, but alot of people have some irrational fear of traffic on I-78 to EWR vs Blue Route/95 to PHL, and won't do it... personally I've always had better luck to EWR than PHL at the peak times.

Going west to GRR, SBN, and a few other destinations I make out that way, CLE connections are usually more convenient time-wise as well, as there are more CLE-Great Lakes connections than EWR direct flights... and there's no way I'd fly EWR-CLE-XYZ when I could just leave from ABE to get to CLE, and have a much higher chance of being on time.

And don't kid yourself, USAirways has put alot of money into PA Turnpike coffers running buses from PHL to ABE themselves.  Wink

Topic: RE: JetBlue Into Michigan?
Username: Tjwgrr
Posted 2006-01-11 16:13:33 and read 3175 times.

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 15):
and starting for a period in march we are adding a 7am departure again to EWR................wish we still had LGA....that was a great route for us.

6:55 am departure to EWR replaces 10:30 am departure on March 2. Goes to 10:45 am again May 3.

More cnx for all those Spring breakers I guess.....  sun 


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