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Topic: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: PrimetimeDC9
Posted 2006-01-26 18:41:38 and read 12602 times.

i've recently graduated college and have been out in the workforce for about a year and have been unable to put aside thoughts of becoming a pilot. I have at this point decided that it is what i am going to do for my living and was wondering what the best avenue to take is. I've looked into embry riddle and regional airline academy both of which are expensive, but have high placement rates, and quality training (at this point in my life i have very little in my bank account and would need to take out loans). My goal is to be a commercial airline pilot as quickly and inexpensively as possible, but to do it with quality/safe training. I was wondering if the pilots on this forum could give me some quick advice. I would also like to stay away from a military commitment if possible. I appreciate any response, thank you

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Mir
Posted 2006-01-26 18:47:27 and read 12591 times.

If you want to fly for an airline, you'll need a four year degree. Since you say you just graduated college, I assume you have that out of the way.

You could either take lessons at your local flight school or go to a more rigorous place. By rigorous, I don't mean safer, or better quality of training (though not every local airport will have a good flight school, many do), but more involved, and faster. If I were in your position, I'd try and get the licenses as fast as possible (obviously accounting for good training). I'd look at some of the academies in Florida (FlightSafetyInternational, PanAm Academy, etc.). They'll be very expensive, but they'll train you quickly, and most importantly, train you well.

-Mir

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Poitin
Posted 2006-01-26 19:20:22 and read 12559 times.

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
If I were in your position, I'd try and get the licenses as fast as possible (obviously accounting for good training). I'd look at some of the academies in Florida (FlightSafetyInternational, PanAm Academy, etc.). They'll be very expensive, but they'll train you quickly, and most importantly, train you well.

I think Mir has excellent advice, but you need BIG BUCKS to go this route. To get a airline job, you will need your instrument, commerical and probably multi-engine tickets. Say about 500 hours. And once you get there, you will have ten thousand other applicants lining up for a job that pays next to nothing.

Think seriously about going into the military and getting into their multiengine pilot training. True you will put in four or more years, but in the long run you will get real experience and be paid to do it.

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Skibum9
Posted 2006-01-26 19:30:19 and read 12539 times.

Quoting PrimetimeDC9 (Thread starter):
but have high placement rates

Be careful with this statement. Most of the aviation academy's will say that they will get you an interview, but not guarentee a job.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 2):
To get a airline job, you will need your instrument, commerical and probably multi-engine tickets. Say about 500 hours.

You will need a lot more than this. Upon reaching this level, you can go on and get your CFI and CFII to teach and build hours, or you can go fly checks around at night in a C210 to build hours. In either case, an airline, and a regional at that, will not consider you until you have 1 or 2,000 hours. If you are worried about your lack of money right now, keep in mind that during this entire period of training and building hours, you will not be paid well. But if you have a true passion for flying, go for it. Passion can be much more fulfilling then money.

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Airbazar
Posted 2006-01-26 19:43:13 and read 12518 times.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 2):
And once you get there, you will have ten thousand other applicants lining up for a job that pays next to nothing.

If he expands his horizons to other parts of the World, I'm pretty sure that both the number of hours required and applicants will be much, much smaller.

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: PrimetimeDC9
Posted 2006-01-26 20:36:19 and read 12476 times.

all very helpful i appreciate it

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Poitin
Posted 2006-01-26 21:21:45 and read 12433 times.

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 3):
You will need a lot more than this. Upon reaching this level, you can go on and get your CFI and CFII to teach and build hours, or you can go fly checks around at night in a C210 to build hours. In either case, an airline, and a regional at that, will not consider you until you have 1 or 2,000 hours. If you are worried about your lack of money right now, keep in mind that during this entire period of training and building hours, you will not be paid well. But if you have a true passion for flying, go for it. Passion can be much more fulfilling then money.

In the brutal reality of today, you are right about the number of hours, as there are enough candidates with it. However, some of the smallest airlines, elsewhere in the world are less fussy witness the following:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 4):
If he expands his horizons to other parts of the World, I'm pretty sure that both the number of hours required and applicants will be much, much smaller.

And I absolutely agree with your comment "But if you have a true passion for flying, go for it."

PrimeTimeDC9 -- if you want to do it bad enough, you will. SO go for it!

I repeat my advice about looking at the Air Force. They will train you, and give you hands on experience and the 1000 or so hours you will need. If you play your cards right you can even get type ceritified on something of use in the Airlines. These include: C-130, Gulfstream III (C-20), Learjet 35A (C-21), B-727 (C-22B), B757 (C-32), B-737 (C-40), Gulfstream V (C-37), etc. etc.
And of course, the B 747  Big grin

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Theunclesam
Posted 2006-01-26 21:28:34 and read 12421 times.

I second the military thing. When I was getting my PPL I started at the same time as a woman who was getting hers for the Airforce. 6 months later I'm flying 150s paying $57/ hr and she's probably sitting in a jet getting $40K/yr.  Big grin

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: DL787932ER
Posted 2006-01-26 22:58:43 and read 12373 times.

Out of curiosity, is there a particular reason for hurry?

The reason I ask is that the FAA doesn't issue Embry-Riddle (or other full-time flight training academy) graduates any different pilot certificates than they do anyone else. Some of them say that they will get you an interview, but in the current job climate, there are going to be many more interviewees than applicants, so you may get as little as a "Thanks for talking to us, but we don't have any openings." You'll probably be able to get some sort of flying job, but it'll likely be instructing or possibly overnight freight/check/medical samples flying, for very little money.

On the other hand, you can train under part 61 at your local flight school, at least through comm-inst-IA-CFII, and there's probably also a multiengine available to rent somewhere nearby that would let you do comm-multi-IA-CFIMEI. It will take a little longer, maybe a couple years flying 2-3 times a week, but at the end you'll come out with the same ratings and hours, and realistically the same job prospects. But the big advantage is that you can pay as you go. The first job in the right seat of an RJ, or instructing for a flight school, or flying blood samples around overnight, is gonna be the same low pay either way, but you'd be debt-free rather than owe tens of thousands of dollars, which would make it a lot easier to actually accept the starting salary. Since you already have a four-year degree, there's not a lot that you could get out of a full-time school that you can't get from part 61 (and in some ways, you can get more by not being so rigidly restricted to a set training regimen). In either case, doing at least the initial private training at your local flight school will let you get your feet wet without jumping in all the way, and will make sure there are no issues (e.g. medical or airsickness) that would stop you from your goal.

I wish you luck in your endeavor, however you do it, but considering the reality of the job market for pilots, I would think real hard before going into debt to earn your ratings.

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Skibum9
Posted 2006-01-26 23:06:21 and read 12365 times.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 8):
On the other hand, you can train under part 61 at your local flight school

Many of your local flights schools also offer part 141 programs, which are a little more stringent than part 61, and are geared for aspiring professional pilots. In either case, part 61 or 141, a certificate is a certificate.

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Poitin
Posted 2006-01-26 23:18:29 and read 12356 times.

Quoting Theunclesam (Reply 7):
I second the military thing. When I was getting my PPL I started at the same time as a woman who was getting hers for the Airforce. 6 months later I'm flying 150s paying $57/ hr and she's probably sitting in a jet getting $40K/yr. Big grin

$57 hour for a 150? Wet or dry? If wet, WHERE? The bloody fuel is probably that much alone.

Learning to fly on your own is VERY EXPENSIVE. You have to get to the CFI level before you can start building time for free and maybe make a few dollars as well.

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Wdleiser
Posted 2006-01-26 23:26:44 and read 12345 times.

You can apply at Cathay or other airlines and goto their Cadet Academy.

Myself, I will most likely be going to Embry Riddle this summer as a freshman fresh out of highschool. Yes, it is going to be really expensive but hopefully I can get myself a nice Army ROTC scholarship for the last 3 years.

Good luck on your journey to becoming a pilot

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Pmg1704
Posted 2006-01-26 23:32:18 and read 12335 times.

Best way to get a pilots license?

Grab his wallet when he's not looking.



Don't forget to tip your waiters...

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Wdleiser
Posted 2006-01-26 23:46:05 and read 12318 times.

Quoting Pmg1704 (Reply 12):
Best way to get a pilots license?

Grab his wallet when he's not looking.



Don't forget to tip your waiters...

hahah nice one man!

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: PrimetimeDC9
Posted 2006-01-27 00:50:40 and read 12290 times.

Yeah, these are all things that I have been thinking about and its good to hear knowledgeable feedback on all of my concerns. I have heard some good things about regional airline hiring rates climbing which would be good for start up pilots I would assume. All of these things are good to consider given the financial burden that this may become, however, I can see myself being less happy working in corporate America making a lot of money than being in the front seat of a plane doing what I feel I would love, even if it is for substantially less pay. I guess I am most concerned with the feasibility of getting a job with the major or regional airlines, not how much I will be paid when it does happen. thanks again for the advice

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Flymia
Posted 2006-01-27 03:13:36 and read 12178 times.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 2):
Say about 500 hours. And once you get there, you will have ten thousand other applicants lining up for a job that pays next to nothing.


You need a lot more than 500 hours.

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 3):

You will need a lot more than this. Upon reaching this level, you can go on and get your CFI and CFII to teach and build hours, or you can go fly checks around at night in a C210 to build hours.

You cant even get a 135 Freight job with 500 hours. 135 minimums are 1200hours I think. Remember its the quality of hours not the quanity . I much rather have 1,000 hours total time with 400 multi and 250 IFR than 1400 total time with 200 multi and 100 IFR.

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 11):
You can apply at Cathay or other airlines and goto their Cadet Academy.


No at those academies you have to be from that country.

First I say you should get your PPL at your own pace and see if you really love it, becoming a pilot is a hard long process and you really need to make sure you want to do it get your PPL first. ATP flight academy is my favorite is seems like the best quick academy out there. Once you do get your licenses and ratings than you will be able to look for a job to build more hours. But first worry about getting your licenses and ratings. And also make sure you can pass a Class One FAA medical. Being a pilot is a life style not just a job. It is something you really need to love because pay is bad, hours are bad and job security is horrible but I would also like to pursue to become a commercial pilot .

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Av8rPHX
Posted 2006-01-27 08:13:03 and read 12041 times.

Get your licenses, build your time as a CFI, freight dog it for a while...

Also do a search on "PFT"

Good luck.

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: APFPilot1985
Posted 2006-01-27 19:07:10 and read 11935 times.

Quoting Flymia (Reply 15):

You cant even get a 135 Freight job with 500 hours. 135 minimums are 1200hours I think.

Depends on the Airline, there are ones out there that will hire you with less, but they are few and far between.

_reid

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Av8rPHX
Posted 2006-01-28 02:28:32 and read 11875 times.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 17):
Quoting Flymia (Reply 15):

You cant even get a 135 Freight job with 500 hours. 135 minimums are 1200hours I think.

Depends on the Airline, there are ones out there that will hire you with less, but they are few and far between.

You can possibly get a pt135 SIC gig with 500 hours if they are looking for a co-pilot (mainly ins. reasons), but alot of those 135 ops are single pilot, which require the higher Pt 135 mins.

Topic: RE: What's The Best Way To Get A Pilots License
Username: Mir
Posted 2006-01-28 02:41:13 and read 11866 times.

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 8):
Since you already have a four-year degree, there's not a lot that you could get out of a full-time school that you can't get from part 61 (and in some ways, you can get more by not being so rigidly restricted to a set training regimen). In either case, doing at least the initial private training at your local flight school will let you get your feet wet without jumping in all the way, and will make sure there are no issues (e.g. medical or airsickness) that would stop you from your goal.

This is good advice, though I do believe that the academies I mentioned are not affiliated with a university, and they are independent from the four-year degree that you already have (as opposed to going to university to major in commercial aviation). Taking at least a few lessons before you jump in headfirst (which is what going to an academy is) will not only let you determine whether you are really comfortable in the pilot's seat or not, but it will let you get a bit of experience before you make the leap.

Also, get yourself a copy of Flight Simulator and practice with it. It won't teach you how to fly for the PPL, but it will teach you how to use the instruments, and once you start doing your instrument training, knowing that kind of stuff inside and out will make it much easier.

-Mir


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