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Topic: Will The "new" LTU Become A Threat To AUA?
Username: Beaucaire
Posted 2006-02-18 07:09:22 and read 4057 times.

After the announcement by Rudolf Wöhrl to acquire the majority of LTU via his holding INTRA,the bets are high that LTU will become a more dynamic and more globally operationg entity.
Wöhrl clearly announced that he intends to go after Lufthansa (...hence STAR )and build a more agressive ,more visible airline.Among the potantial targets could be Austria,since he could feed passengers from Austria into Longhaul services from MUC and DUS to his global network of destinations.
The recent order for 30 x 737 NG aircraft will provide him with a formidable set of hardware to just acomplish that.
LTU has a quite attractive network of destinations in the USA and the Caribes and clearly wants to attract business travellers as well-his A330's all have business-class cabin.
Just to put things in perspective- AUA has 7 destinations in USA and Cuba,LTU has 15 destinations....
But LTU would have to densify their network in Asia,where AUA have an advantage in terms of destinations.

Topic: RE: Will The "new" LTU Become A Threat To AUA?
Username: Lp0815
Posted 2006-02-18 08:03:51 and read 4039 times.

LTU's current network in North-America consists of YVR. YYZ, JFK, LAX.
Apart from that, the majority of destinations is in the Caribbean.

Similar situation in Asia: BKK, CMB, MLE, HKT.

Apart from the destinations in North America (mainly LAX, JFK) these destinations are not high yielding in any way so they need to re-shuffle their network significantly to be a consistent alternative for business travellers.

Apart from their network:
They do not have the choices of routings, connections to offer than any *A carrier has, rendering business travellers without the needed flexibility.

While of course Woehrl is in a promising situation to challenge the European competitors (esp. with his rather big narrow-body fleet) it will take him a while until he will have his new airline-group setup in a way that it can be an attractive alternative to any *A carrier (same counts for SkyTeam and OneWorld IMO).
On the side of the continental network, the low-cost carriers will give him a hard time, too.

I wish him luck, for sure, more competition means better service and prices, but I do think that he will take some time - time, that his competitors won't let pass without reacting to this new "threat"....

Gonna be interesting to see how this develops.
Cheers,

Lp0815

Topic: RE: Will The "new" LTU Become A Threat To AUA?
Username: LTU932
Posted 2006-02-18 09:33:18 and read 3957 times.

Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 1):
LTU's current network in North-America consists of YVR. YYZ, JFK, LAX.

Add also RSW, MCO, MIA and possibly also TPA to the US/Canada routes by LTU.

Personally I don't see how LT, after the merger with DI, is going to be a threat to OS.

Topic: RE: Will The "new" LTU Become A Threat To AUA?
Username: Beaucaire
Posted 2006-02-18 09:54:38 and read 3923 times.

When I read the latest statements from HRW it seems the times of gentlement-agreements with LH are over -it me or you !
And I cant' help it but the take-over of LTU( which I think is a great thing to happen to LTU..) should be just the beginning of a much more agressive commercial campaign. LTU in Germany (so far )is a very strong player in west-germany and Munich but that's it .
HRW will broaden the area of operations by filling more planes with more feeder-aircraft from more airports -just like Air Berlin feeding NUE,PMI,STN,DUS and in the future AMS.But I don't see Air Berlin and LTU working together-it's just competition.
I can be mistaken -sure- but I would not be surprised if LTU "discovers" austrian airports to the dismise of AUA,LH and Germanwings.

[Edited 2006-02-18 09:57:24]

Topic: RE: Will The "new" LTU Become A Threat To AUA?
Username: Columba
Posted 2006-02-18 10:06:28 and read 3913 times.

If LTU becomes more of a competitioner for Lufthansa will we see more A330s coming to the fleet soon ?
By now they have 7 A330-200 and 3 A330-300. If they want to become a "low cost" longhaul airline as it has been stated will 10 A330s be enough ?

Topic: RE: Will The "new" LTU Become A Threat To AUA?
Username: Beaucaire
Posted 2006-02-18 10:17:15 and read 3893 times.

...becomming the first long-haul LowCost airline might be a wrong definition .
I copy a sentace from the interview of HRW
"Doch Wöhrl will das Gegenteil beweisen. Und damit ist er dann wieder bei seinem Lieblingsfeind Lufthansa. LTU könne ein Erste-Klasse-Flugticket nach New York zum halben Preis wie die Lufthansa anbieten - bei gleichem Service, verspricht er mit sichtlichem Vergnügen. "Auch das ist Low-Cost."

Meaning if Lufthansa can offer first class tickets to New York,we could offer the same ,with the same service, at half the price -this is also a low-cost principle....
Yes - they would need more metal to convert the ambitious vision into passenger-revenu. But I'm sure the "tailor from Nuremberg" can find a way !
(for those who don't know - but Hans Rudolf Wöhrl has a chain of very successful textile outlets in Germany-that's why many airline-bosses call him the tailor from Nuremberg..)

Topic: RE: Will The "new" LTU Become A Threat To AUA?
Username: LTU932
Posted 2006-02-18 10:24:10 and read 3881 times.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 3):
I can be mistaken -sure- but I would not be surprised if LTU "discovers" austrian airports to the dismise of AUA,LH and Germanwings.

They did start a service to VIE at one point and even created a kind of subsidiary with LTU Austria, but I believe the VIE route is or is due to be axed because LTU lost money with the route.

Maybe if they diversify into Austria and don't put their exclusive focus on to VIE, maybe they could turn this around.

Topic: RE: Will The "new" LTU Become A Threat To AUA?
Username: Thomas_Jaeger
Posted 2006-02-18 12:04:57 and read 3812 times.

I think they never even started Dusseldorf-Vienna which was supposed to be served three times weekly in competition with Air Berlin, Austrian and Lufthansa. LTU Austria is operating two A320-200s on charter flights.


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