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Topic: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Curious
Posted 2006-03-09 12:15:35 and read 2961 times.

Hi much talk about thsi new route but do we now when its planned, what frequency, aircraft. What is the delay for is it from teh US side?

Cheers

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Juventus
Posted 2006-03-09 14:00:30 and read 2919 times.

LAX sounds like an A380 route, and SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: TristarSteve
Posted 2006-03-09 14:04:11 and read 2915 times.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere

The B777 can tech stop in ARN. We will need the work when we lose MH!

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Curious
Posted 2006-03-09 15:23:32 and read 2868 times.

When are they expecting delivery of A380's is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Cyba
Posted 2006-03-09 17:50:51 and read 2769 times.

Quoting Curious (Reply 3):
When are they expecting delivery of A380's is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?

Well, right now there is none since nobody is flying the route directly Big grin

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2006-03-09 17:52:23 and read 2765 times.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):
LAX sounds like an A380 route, and SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere.

not figuring headwinds, polar routes, airport temparature, etc. the distance from DXB-SFO is only 40-50nm more than CO's EWR-HKG 777-200ER route....

the -200LR's won't need a tech stop...but its not known if EK is going with the extra tanks on the -200LR.....

that being said, I think they probably will have a stop somewhere......

Quoting Curious (Reply 3):
is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?

I don't think so, at least not initially.........

it will be interesting if EK flies to the West Coast via a tech stop or direct....

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: CHRISBA777ER
Posted 2006-03-09 17:58:26 and read 2750 times.

DXB-LAX non stop.

Better pray it isnt 10 abreast in Economy on the 777LR. Whats that, like 15, 16 hours? Would they go Easterly, up over Iran, Russia, Bering straits, and down past SFO to LAX? Presume thats faster than going westerly?

They will do well with that route i suspect. Lots of High yield traffic.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2006-03-09 18:01:52 and read 2743 times.

I think EK will fly to the US West Coast with the 777-200LR--the only plane that could fly non-stop from DXB to SFO on more or less a full load.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: RootsAir
Posted 2006-03-09 18:49:26 and read 2692 times.

That must be an amazing route to fly...right over the North Pole

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Matt27
Posted 2006-03-09 19:01:01 and read 2678 times.

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 2):
The B777 can tech stop in ARN. We will need the work when we lose MH!

That is not a bad idea. EK want to fly to Scandinavia and soon EK start DXB-CPH with an A332. DXB-ARN-SFO with a B777-300 sonds like an option.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Laxintl
Posted 2006-03-09 19:11:19 and read 2659 times.

Quoting Curious (Reply 3):
is there really that much traffic between LAX-DXB?

No, but then again there is not much demand from many places to Dubai.

Emirates would instead do well in capturing West Coast traffic destined to places like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and a host of Middle Eastern destinations via its Dubai hub.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: YOWza
Posted 2006-03-09 19:12:51 and read 2655 times.

This is still ages away. I doubt EK will be able to take these potential routes far.

YOWza

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2006-03-09 19:50:55 and read 2608 times.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 10):

Emirates would instead do well in capturing West Coast traffic destined to places like India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and a host of Middle Eastern destinations via its Dubai hub.

that would be a gamble, considering that AI already serve LAX and SFO soon, and PK are going to be serving LAX soon.....

their fares are just as, and in many cases more competitive than EK's fares and there isn't the hassle of changing planes at DXB.........

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Curious
Posted 2006-03-09 20:20:55 and read 2579 times.

what is the distance between DXB-LAX can a 744 do it?

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Laxintl
Posted 2006-03-09 22:17:39 and read 2503 times.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
that would be a gamble, considering that AI already serve LAX and SFO soon, and PK are going to be serving LAX soon.....

their fares are just as, and in many cases more competitive than EK's fares and there isn't the hassle of changing planes at DXB.........

Not a gamble at all. There is incredible traffic between California and a place like India. European carriers like Lufthansa, KLM along with Asian carriers such as Malaysian and Singapore do brisk business with such traffic.

Emirates should be easily be able to muscle into this market. Look at how well Emirates has done at JFK, already having gone double daily with a vast amount of connectivity options beyonf DXB.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Aeroflot777
Posted 2006-03-09 22:35:01 and read 2487 times.

The Bay Area has a relatively large Arab population. So I definitely think that there is enough demand to feed a 777 or maybe a A380 eventually.

Aeroflot777

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: SJCRRPAX
Posted 2006-03-09 23:09:25 and read 2435 times.

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 15):
The Bay Area has a relatively large Arab population. So I definitely think that there is enough demand to feed a 777 or maybe a A380 eventually.

Aeroflot777

About 120,000 according to this article. Offical Census figures show less. Not enough to sustain a route IMHO. I think they will need to continue to need to use a Hub a spoke somewhere.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...le=/c/a/2005/03/09/MNGHLBMJCN1.DTL

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Boysteve
Posted 2006-03-10 00:15:53 and read 2395 times.

Quoting Curious (Reply 13):
what is the distance between DXB-LAX can a 744 do it?

The only 747's that EK fly are cargo aircraft so this is not an option

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2006-03-10 00:28:55 and read 2388 times.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 14):
Not a gamble at all. There is incredible traffic between California and a place like India. European carriers like Lufthansa, KLM along with Asian carriers such as Malaysian and Singapore do brisk business with such traffic.

correct.......but if one wants to fly to DEL from SFO/LAX...one can fly.

SFO-LAX-DEL, SFO-CDG-DEL, etc.

with EK, unless they don't fly nonstop...it might be........

SFO-BRU-DXB-DEL......and that is my point............part of the reason EK is successful with JFK because they can go..

JFK-DXB-DEL.......

if EK fly nonstop SFO-DXB, then they will be competitive.....

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 16):
About 120,000 according to this article. Offical Census figures show less. Not enough to sustain a route IMHO. I think they will need to continue to need to use a Hub a spoke somewhere.

if EK can fly direct SFO-DXB and offer good fares, then they can get Pakistanis and Indians also.....which will make market much larger!

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Laxintl
Posted 2006-03-10 00:53:58 and read 2367 times.

Irregardless nonstop or onestop to Dubai from the West Coast Emirates will capture a significant amount of traffic.

The masses that currently fly carriers such as Singapore and Malaysian double stop anyways in places such as TPE, NRT before reaching SIN/KUL for beyond connections to their final destinations.

Emirates also serves many secondary cities on the Indian subcontinent and the Middle East that require double connections anyways.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Airbazar
Posted 2006-03-10 01:05:53 and read 2353 times.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
their fares are just as, and in many cases more competitive than EK's fares and there isn't the hassle of changing planes at DXB.........

I'd much rather change planes in Dubai than Mumbai. Lets face it, India is a lot more than Mumbai, or Dehli. Besides, they only fly to LAX and have an added stop in FRA. So, if you're an Indian citizen wanting to fly from LAX to Bangalore, you have a stop in FRA which requires a transit visa and a change of planes in Mumbai. On Emirates, you could fly non-stop to Dubai and on to Bangalore.

As far the non-stop DXB-US West Coast, Emirates does operate the A345 which I believe can do the route non-stop without restrictions.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Thepilot
Posted 2006-03-10 01:29:14 and read 2315 times.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 7):
I think EK will fly to the US West Coast with the 777-200LR--the only plane that could fly non-stop from DXB to SFO on more or less a full load.

That is incorrect. Their A340-500s could easily make that trip on a full load. Also, the A346when it comes, (but probably with weight restrictions). Same with the 773ER.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2006-03-10 01:53:04 and read 2285 times.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 18):
SFO-LAX-DEL, SFO-CDG-DEL, etc.

I should have stated SFO-LHR-DEL, SFO-CDG-DEL....

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 20):
I'd much rather change planes in Dubai than Mumbai. Lets face it, India is a lot more than Mumbai, or Dehli. Besides, they only fly to LAX and have an added stop in FRA. So, if you're an Indian citizen wanting to fly from LAX to Bangalore, you have a stop in FRA which requires a transit visa and a change of planes in Mumbai. On Emirates, you could fly non-stop to Dubai and on to Bangalore.

true, but air carriers such as BA are now offering many destinations within India, and because SFO-LHR-BLR, SFO-LHR-DEL, etc. is operated out of LHR-Terminal 4, no visa is required, and once LHR-T5 is completed, connections should hopefully become even smoother.....

I wouldn't be surpised to see LH, AF, etc. eventually provide just as efficient routes also.....

I already see LH advertisement to India on ZeeTV.. biggrin 
...and I live in the West Coast....

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: LAXDESI
Posted 2006-03-10 02:05:06 and read 2274 times.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 19):
The masses that currently fly carriers such as Singapore and Malaysian double stop anyways in places such as TPE, NRT before reaching SIN/KUL for beyond connections to their final destinations.

Emirates also serves many secondary cities on the Indian subcontinent and the Middle East that require double connections anyways.

Good points. Emirates is likely to add more connections to secondary cities in light of a new bilateral providing for 80% increase in number of seats. I would love to see a non-stop LAX-DXB timed to connect to DXB-MAA. It will be at least another 5 years before we see a non-stop LAX-MAA on AI utilizing a 787.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Airbazar
Posted 2006-03-10 02:16:31 and read 2258 times.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
true, but air carriers such as BA are now offering many destinations within India



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 22):
I wouldn't be surpised to see LH, AF, etc. eventually provide just as efficient routes also

Absolutely but my comments were regarding AI's service. Nevertheless, Emirates serves more destinations in India and Pakistan than any of the European carriers. In addition, they also serve East Africa and the Middle East well.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: MalpensaSFO
Posted 2006-03-10 02:39:44 and read 2241 times.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 11):
This is still ages away. I doubt EK will be able to take these potential routes far.

Think again, San Francisco, was one of the top 3 desired destinations for EK in North America after JFK, Houston..

Quoting Juventus (Reply 1):

LAX sounds like an A380 route, and SFO possibly a 777? of course they'll have to tech somewhere

SFO was one of the first airports to be A380 ready, in addition LAX has had a wishy washy attitude about the Airbus A380..

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Kaitak744
Posted 2006-03-10 02:49:06 and read 2231 times.

Well, since none of EK's A340-500 routes really require the A340-500 (only JFK, which can also be done with a 777-300ER). EK will eventually have 10 free A340-500s and 10 free 777-200LRs. These 20 aircraft are only unmatched when it comes to the U.S. west coast and South America. So, if EK plans LAX or SFO, it will most probably be with a 777-200LR or A340-500.


I say ^ that ^ because, according to A.net, EK does not plan to retire its A340-500s after recieval of 777-200LRs.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2006-03-10 03:20:29 and read 2204 times.

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 24):
Absolutely but my comments were regarding AI's service. Nevertheless, Emirates serves more destinations in India and Pakistan than any of the European carriers. In addition, they also serve East Africa and the Middle East well.

well..there is only one way to find out...."bring it on!"...... biggrin 

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Behramjee
Posted 2006-03-10 05:02:37 and read 2137 times.

In 2004, Emirates officially secured from the French Govt and France's Civil Aviation Authorities the right to fly DAILY nonstop services from CDG to U.S. West Coast with FULL 5th FREEDOM RIGHTS with capacity up to the size of an A 380.

So dont be surprised to see in the future a DXB-CDG-LAX/SFO routing...esp DXB-CDG-LAX.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2006-03-10 05:29:43 and read 2115 times.

Quoting Thepilot (Reply 21):
Their A340-500s could easily make that trip on a full load.

I think if EK flies to the US West Coast from DXB they may configure a small number their A340-500's with roomier seating so the plane will have the range to fly non-stop year-round in both directions. The other possibility is EK getting tech stop landing rights at SNN, which could allow the airline to fly the 777-200ER between DXB and SFO/LAX easily.

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Jacobin777
Posted 2006-03-10 05:31:40 and read 2113 times.

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 28):
In 2004, Emirates officially secured from the French Govt and France's Civil Aviation Authorities the right to fly DAILY nonstop services from CDG to U.S. West Coast with FULL 5th FREEDOM RIGHTS with capacity up to the size of an A 380.

So dont be surprised to see in the future a DXB-CDG-LAX/SFO routing...esp DXB-CDG-LAX.

wow...that might hurt AF!!

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Curious
Posted 2006-03-10 10:56:13 and read 2013 times.

I wonder if they will capture much Iranian traffic, which I know LH, KLM etc do very well from LAX

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: EK380
Posted 2006-03-10 15:08:40 and read 1931 times.

Hey

Emirates was ready to start the DXB-SFO way back in 2004.

The only reason they backed out of it was that the fuel price hike back then and the current fuel prices make it nearly impossible to make the route profitable on an A340-500 and the current seating config.

Guess theyll have to wait till 2007 when the T7-200LR's come along.

-EK 380

Topic: RE: EK LAX/SFO When?
Username: Curious
Posted 2006-03-10 15:12:36 and read 1925 times.

Naturally US side is expensive but dont they get cheap fuel on the outbound in UAE?


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